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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Nplayer-2 on April 06, 2001, 12:16:13 PM
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/553635.asp?Onm=C14M&cp1=1#BODY
As you can see, these COO\'s of those large corporations and famous game designers agree with..NPLAYER:D...and with good reson ;)
1)as i said IF xbox is more powerfull than PS2 it will be only a LITTLE bit..kojima confirms this
2)any effect xbox does in hardware PS2 can do in software..confirmed by kojima
3)PS2 will be the champion in japan...FACT
4)xbox is nothing more than a PSX on steroids..FACT
5)no enix games on xbox..FACT
6)xbox DOA in japan..FACT
nuff said:D
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You are a lamer...FACT
You are a troll...FACT
You have nothing better to do than bash XBOX...FACT
You will be banned soon...FACT
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does having a specific shadow in one game constitute as havng ALL effects in software that X-Box has in hardware? No.
What about GC? You dont know that GC or even X-Box will win in Japan, wtf do you care anyways, last time I checked you were american (how embarassed I am to admit that)
Did PSX have a harddrive? ethernet? 4 controller ports? Sega games? PSX sold 70 million WW. I rest my case.
Did you read the article? Enix develops for the system with the largest fanbase. Right now it is PS2, because it has been out for over a year. We dont know what will happen in 2 years.
Yes, I do belive that DOA is coming to X-Box, it is looking nice (but the gameplay sucks donkey balls)
You suck!
Eric Jacob
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beast:
Its funny how you IGNORE the FACT that hideo kojima CONFIRMS the FACT that xbox is only a LITTLE BIT more powerfull than PS2 and anything xbox does in hardware PS2 can do in software..
And i *gasp* made a mistake...i would like to appologize to SCEI for insulting the PSX by saying the xbox is like it......as said in the article all MS is trying to do is copy the 6 year old psx business model...quite sad for this mighty and godly company...but then again why wouldn\'t they? ;)
Also, you want us to belive xbox will sell 10,000,000 consoles in one year? i hope not because that is what it would take to even challenge the PS2 user-base.
DOA= Dead On Arrival...idiot
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Well in the X-box\'s defense, it\'s kind of premature to say that it\'s only a little bit more powerful than the PS2. I think Kojima is great, but not till 2 years from now (or so) will we be able to see what system is capable of what. Maybe the PS2 will prove to be the superior beast with its EE, or perhaps the X-box will prove that PC-components are worthwhile. Only time will tell, and frankly, who cares?
- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?
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data:
You are not a game designer nor have a PS2 or final XDK like hideo kojima...you know nothing about this.
All of my factual findings are based on the comments of industry experts...like hideo kojima
i\'m sorry if i sound rude..:)
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n-player,
that\'s fine. I don\'t have a dev kit for either system. But Kojima as great as he is, can\'t say what a system is capable of doing 2 years from now.
That same great Kojima was whining and b\'tching not too long ago about how the PS2 was nowhere near the expectations that Sony led him to believe. How he had to sacrifice some things in MGS 2 because the PS2 couldn\'t do it. So... things change no?
- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?
The only constant is change.
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Originally posted by Nplayer-2
http://www.msnbc.com/news/553635.asp?Onm=C14M&cp1=1#BODY
As you can see, these COO\'s of those large corporations and famous game designers agree with..NPLAYER:D...and with good reson ;)
1)as i said IF xbox is more powerfull than PS2 it will be only a LITTLE bit..kojima confirms this
2)any effect xbox does in hardware PS2 can do in software..confirmed by kojima
3)PS2 will be the champion in japan...FACT
4)xbox is nothing more than a PSX on steroids..FACT
5)no enix games on xbox..FACT
6)xbox DOA in japan..FACT
nuff said:D
For a person that hates Xbox and thinks it will die, You sure do post a lot of messages about it.
If the Xbox dies, then it dies, but it sure looks like you are scared to death of xbox or you wouldn\'t be constantly posting messages about it.
We all know your scared of the xbox otherwise you would have zero posts about the subject.
It seems to me that a lot of people put out a lot of negative stuff about something when they are scared of it.
Hey, what do I care if you are scared of the Xbox or not, it just means Microsoft has been doing their job...
Good look on your smear compaign and good luck with your purchase of Xbox.
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I have to agree with Datamage. Only time will tell.
hideo kojima may be a good programmer but he\'s still human last I checked. How many excellent people do you think went around preaching doom on the PSX or praise about the Saturn?
It doesn\'t matter what anyone says and that includes Billy-Goat-Gates.
The only reason people say sh!t like this is b/c they have no X-box or GameCube in their grubby little hands to see what it can do so they start making up sh!t. It\'s really stupid. Just a bunch of people talking out their ass.
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PS2 hard to develop for=yes
xbox hard to develop for=no
He can tell what xbox will do TODAY because he can use it to it\'s full potential right from the start(according to microsoft that is)...so unless you want me to belive xbox is as hard to develop for than PS2...YES we can know what xbox will do today and 10 years from now....and what do we know? that it fails to live up to the huge hype microsoft created for it...it is a huge disappointment and breaks it\'s promises...
Dwarrior(aka docwiz):
Scared of xbox? HA...hardly..unless of coarse you mean scared of it falling on me?:laughing:
This thing this disgusting thing is a disappointment and i will address it as such...it is not wanted in the gaming industry and i for one will be willing to spend hours spreading the FACTS about it...
FACT is...PS2 will win this gen because of it\'s impressive games and graphics
FACT IS..xbox is nothing but a let down and will die due to mediocre games and overhyped graphics.
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I remember PSX being supposedly EASY to develop for. Funny how TM2 looks much better than TM. Or Tomb Raider 3 looks better than Tomb Raider. OR RE2 looks better than RE. You get my point.
No developer could instantly fully tap a system upon it\'s very short arrival. Not even your personal idol Hideo.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
I remember PSX being supposedly EASY to develop for. Funny how TM2 looks much better than TM. Or Tomb Raider 3 looks better than Tomb Raider. OR RE2 looks better than RE. You get my point.
No developer could instantly fully tap a system upon it\'s very short arrival. Not even your personal idol Hideo.
Eric Jacob
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...but the Leap we\'ll see in PS2\'software will be much bigger due to the impressive learning curve!
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Originally posted by BizioEE
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...but the Leap we\'ll see in PS2\'software will be much bigger due to the impressive learning curve!
Yea, right...
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So once again Hideo\'s remarks are taken literally!
A few months ago, his remarks were seen by some as absolute proof that MGSX is NOT MGS2 because \'he hasn\'t even looked at the XBox\', some even going as far as claiming \'Hideo is not interested in the XBox\'!!!
Now, just several weeks later, he\'s supposed to be THE expert on XBox performance despite the fact that a) he\'s had VERY LITTLE time on the XBox itself, b) he\'s still mostly focussing on MGS2 for the PS2, and c) final NV2a based dev kits have yet to be shipped!!!
MGS2 is an incredibly important game for both Konami and for Sony, so he is never going to say the XBox "blows the PS2 away", regardless of how powerful it proves to be (such a statement WOULD harm sales of MGS2).
Assuming MGSX is MGS2, then except for FSAA and better lighting, I wouldn\'t expect it to look THAT much better than MGS2. This is Not because of power, but because it\'s a straight port of one of the most important titles for the PS2.
So that interview proves nothing Nplayer.
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Originally posted by Nplayer-2
You are not a game designer nor have a PS2 or final XDK like hideo kojima...you know nothing about this.
Just as you are not a games designer and that Hideo does NOT have the final XDK, since they are due to be shipped out very soon (obviously you didn\'t know that!).
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Originally posted by Nplayer-2
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PS2 hard to develop for=yes
xbox hard to develop for=no
He can tell what xbox will do TODAY because he can use it to it\'s full potential right from the start(according to microsoft that is)...so unless you want me to belive xbox is as hard to develop for than PS2...YES we can know what xbox will do today and 10 years from now....and what do we know? that it fails to live up to the huge hype microsoft created for it...it is a huge disappointment and breaks it\'s promises...
Dwarrior(aka docwiz):
Scared of xbox? HA...hardly..unless of coarse you mean scared of it falling on me?:laughing:
This thing this disgusting thing is a disappointment and i will address it as such...it is not wanted in the gaming industry and i for one will be willing to spend hours spreading the FACTS about it...
FACT is...PS2 will win this gen because of it\'s impressive games and graphics
FACT IS..xbox is nothing but a let down and will die due to mediocre games and overhyped graphics.
Thats fine Nplayer... The best games on the PS2 are PC ports. hahahahahahahahaa. So, I guess the PC is better than the PS2. oh well...
I mean you want to talk about mediocre, thats just about every non PC game out on the PS2 out right now.
Nplayer its kind of painfully obvious that you never play video games and thus have no concept of them.
Life goes on dude and it looks like you are buying an xbox or a cube. oh well....
Keep on troll\'n and remember, play games so that you can judge them and have fun with them.
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Originally posted by Dwarrior
Thats fine Nplayer... The best games on the PS2 are PC ports. hahahahahahahahaa. So, I guess the PC is better than the PS2. oh well...
I mean you want to talk about mediocre, thats just about every non PC game out on the PS2 out right now.
...You mean...
- Madden 2001
- SSX
- Time Splitters
- TTT
- DOA2 HC
- Sky Odyssey
- Shadow of Destiny
- Onimusha
- ATV Off Road Fury
- ZOE
- Winning Eleven 5
- Star Wars Starfighter
- RE Code Veronica
??
...why did someone blow your brain away out of your skull ? ...I\'m wondering...
Nplayer its kind of painfully obvious that you never play video games and thus have no concept of them.
Life goes on dude and it looks like you are buying an xbox or a cube. oh well....
Keep on troll\'n and remember, play games so that you can judge them and have fun with them.
You are the last person on this Planet who can make some kind of "Morale"
(PS2 will blow you away at the E3 :D)
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You are such a fucking moron NPlayer. Why don\'t you crawl back into that hole you were born in?
Stupid posts like yours deserve to be delted.
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Originally posted by BizioEE
OBVIOUS!!!
...but the Leap we\'ll see in PS2\'software will be much bigger due to the impressive learning curve!
Actually... not that much better. The Xbox has better hardware, remember?
Oh, btw, it also has broadband, a hard drive and a kick ass development team.
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Originally posted by BizioEE
...You mean...
- Madden 2001
- SSX
- Time Splitters
- TTT
- DOA2 HC
- Sky Odyssey
- Shadow of Destiny
- Onimusha
- ATV Off Road Fury
- ZOE
- Winning Eleven 5
- Star Wars Starfighter
- RE Code Veronica
(PS2 will blow you away at the E3 :D)
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Half those games are just average, or pure garbage. And PS2 won\'t be blowing away anyone... more than Gamecube or XB that is.... :p
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Thats fine Nplayer... The best games on the PS2 are PC ports. hahahahahahahahaa. So, I guess the PC is better than the PS2. oh well...
The best games on PS2 are PC ports? Care to elaborate? I don\'t see GT3 on PC, nor FFX, nor MGS2,.. get the picture?
- dm
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Half those games are just average, or pure garbage. And PS2 won\'t be blowing away anyone... more than Gamecube or XB that is....
Nah.
Madden
SSX
TTT
DOA2HC
Onimusha
RE Code Veronica
Those are far from average or pure garbage. The others I haven\'t played so..
- dm
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Originally posted by TheMistaWhoKnow
You are such a fucking moron NPlayer. Why don\'t you crawl back into that hole you were born in?
Stupid posts like yours deserve to be delted.
That probably would be for the better, considering how idiotic posts like this inspire flame wars. They also inspire some Xbox supporters who would normally have some sense to sound like idiots - it\'s a challenge to argue with a thickheaded twit and not look like one yourself.
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Originally posted by datamage
Nah.
Madden
SSX
TTT
DOA2HC
Onimusha
RE Code Veronica
Those are far from average or pure garbage. The others I haven\'t played so..
- dm
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DOA2HC: PORT!
TTT: Barely a upgrade
Madden: Well, I h8 sports so i\'ll just say it\'s a prettier version of Madden 2000.
Onimusha: A classic!
RE:CV: a port again.
I love my PS2, but its strength lies in whats to come, not whats here.
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Originally posted by EThugg
Half those games are just average, or pure garbage. And PS2 won\'t be blowing away anyone... more than Gamecube or XB that is.... :p
If you really loved the PS2 you shouldn\'t speak like a BS X-Box Fan :)...no offense...
There are games in development for PS2 (NOW) that you can only dream on the X-Box and...again...if you liked PS2 you should be happy,excited for all the Great promises in the near future rather than singing X-Box\'s praises...praises for a Console which has shown nothing!
One of the things I don\'t like in people is the hypocrisy...so...please...try to be a bit more coherent...or...if I\'m getting you wrong...try to explain to me the real reason of your inconsistent statements :)
...And PS2 won\'t be blowing away anyone... more than Gamecube or XB that is....
...This for example...PS2 was released more than one year ago and some of the best developers have been working for a long time on secret titles or...simply...great titles that we just know(Tekken4,Soul Calibur2,The Next Lara,The Getaway,FFX,The Lost.....) so...how can you imagine that the X-Box developers with incomplete Kits and few months can show something that can only come close to the PS2 games?
I\'m ready to bet 1000$ with you that PS2 will blow away the X-Box at the E3!
Do you accept? :)
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DOA2HC: PORT!
TTT: Barely a upgrade
Madden: Well, I h8 sports so i\'ll just say it\'s a prettier version of Madden 2000.
Onimusha: A classic!
RE:CV: a port again.
I love my PS2, but its strength lies in whats to come, not whats here.
Agreed.
I wasn\'t thinking of the games as ports, but more as the game themselves. I know TTT is just a rehash of Tekken, and the others ports, but they\'re still good games. Too bad I already went through RE:CV on my DC and played DOA2 to death on my DC.
- dm
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Originally posted by BizioEE
I\'m ready to bet 1000$ with you that PS2 will blow away the X-Box at the E3!
Do you accept? :)
Be careful when you say things like that, you may need to pay up! ;)
Let\'s just say this E3 should be the best for many MANY years.
The PS2 will demonstrate many awesome games, but it most definately will not blow away the XBox, which will also demonstrate awesome games of it\'s own. Whether or not the XBox will blow away the PS2 remains to be seen, but it is possible IMO.
I\'m really looking forward to E3. :)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
I\'m ready to bet 1000$ with you that PS2 will blow away the X-Box at the E3!
Do you accept? :)
Wouldn\'t that be a subjective thing? If you like the games better on one system better, you\'ll feel that it \'blew away\' the competition, even if the other guy feels the exact opposite. Example: I thought MS\'s TGS showing, while not including playables (:(), had plenty of great announcements.
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Originally posted by BizioEE
If you really loved the PS2 you shouldn\'t speak like a BS X-Box Fan :)...no offense...
There are games in development for PS2 (NOW) that you can only dream on the X-Box and...again...if you liked PS2 you should be happy,excited for all the Great promises in the near future rather than singing X-Box\'s praises...praises for a Console which has shown nothing!
One of the things I don\'t like in people is the hypocrisy...so...please...try to be a bit more coherent...or...if I\'m getting you wrong...try to explain to me the real reason of your inconsistent statements :)
...This for example...PS2 was released more than one year ago and some of the best developers have been working for a long time on secret titles or...simply...great titles that we just know(Tekken4,Soul Calibur2,The Next Lara,The Getaway,FFX,The Lost.....) so...how can you imagine that the X-Box developers with incomplete Kits and few months can show something that can only come close to the PS2 games?
I\'m ready to bet 1000$ with you that PS2 will blow away the X-Box at the E3!
Do you accept? :)
Are you that in love with a video game machine that you would bet $$ it will blow another away at e3? LOL HAHAHAHAH OMG who knows what will or will not happen at e3. It is pretty rediculas to take it this far. You have no idea what is going to takes place at e3. Ps2 could come in third to xbox, and gamecube. Is it human to like a machine that much?
And as for n-player are you really that dumb? What did you want the guy to do. Come and say yes sure xbox kills ps2 in every way. PS2 is crap compared to xbox. You idiot he is making games for both console it would be stupid for him to come out and say something like that about ps2. Being it be true or not no developer making games for a console would bash it. Man I just don\'t understand you. You remind me of the village idiot.
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who the hell gives a rats ass? I sure as hell dont
I own a ps2 = Fact
I dont give a damn if xbox is graphically a little bit more powerful then ps2 = Fact
Xbox is a huge black box that resembles a vcr = Fact
This is a PS2 site = Fact
No one cares about Xbox here = Fact (confirmed through reliable sources)
Member Xbox is bill gates bed buddy = Fact (confirmed through reliable sources)
:D
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Originally posted by shingoku
No one cares about Xbox here = Fact (confirmed through reliable sources)
Actually, fanboys and poor people who went with PS2 already don\'t care. Real gamers care about Xbox=fact. Am I saying that if you don\'t care about XB, your not a real gamer? Yes, I am. Or poor. Take your pick.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
i dont count as a real gamer? ive been a videogame \'head\' ever since my commodore 64. because i dont wish to purchase an X-Box, does that mean im not a real videogamer? because as it happens, none, NOT ONE of the exclusive games on X-Box interest me at all...hence why i will not purchase one unless it shows that its games are awesome
There is a differance between not wanting to purchase one and not caring. A lot of people don\'t want to buy an Xbox but realize that it is a competitor to the Xbox. Others, like shingoku, don\'t want to admit that there are competitors to the Xbox and accept the PS2 as the end all be all of gaming.
I own a PS2 and a DC but that is not going to stop me from getting a GC and potentially an Xbox. I basically love to play video games and I don\'t care what system it is on. Be it the Mellenium Edition Atari or the Craptastic Console 2000, if it has good games I\'m gonna get it.
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You don\'t prove a damn thing, Nplayer. Kojima was telling the truth. GeForce3 SDK\'s are a little more powerful than the PS2 (about twice as powerful). He was just confirming what Xbox fans already knew: 50% of an Xbox is just slightly more powerful than the PS2. However, the good thing for us Xbox fans is that the Xbox won\'t have a GeForce3 under the hood, but a chip twice as powerful as the GeForce3. So if the GF3 is twice as powerful as a PS2 and the XGPU is a step above the GF3 then the final Xboxes should be 3 times more powerful than the PS2. :p You know, I thought that maybe Kojima was talking about the actual Xboxes but then I came to my senses and realized that he couldn\'t have been because no one has final Xbox hardware. THAT\'S RIGHT, NPLAYER, NO ONE HAS FINAL XDK\'S SINCE THEY HAVE JUST RECENTLY STARTED MASS PRODUCTION. I suggest that before you pull stuff from your ass that you think about it (if possible) and see if it can pass as remotely believable!
You don\'t think Kojima would have opinions about something he doesn\'t have. For example: What if I said, "Final Fantasy X will suck because I didn\'t like IX!" Well, being the astute gamers you are, you would reply to me by saying, "How can you say that, you\'ve never played FFX!" And I would feel dejected and leave. So I doubt that Kojima would make opinions about something he has no knowledge of. He\'s just a producer. That\'s like asking Spielberg about the technology used in Jurrassic Park 3. He might have SOME idea of it, but you\'d do better by talking to the lead technology engineer.
So if I were a fanboy I would say, "Kojima admits that PS2 is much weaker than the Xbox!" Why? Well, because he admitted that Alpha2 XDK\'s were more powerul than a PS2. Common sense would tell you that the XGPU is twice as powerful as a GF3 so it\'s right to conclude that Xbox is three times more powerful than PS2. Logic and commonsense folks. Oh, and another thing, here\'s an earlier quote by the same Mr. Hideo Kojima:
I can\'t tell you what specific enhancements will be made. As for the Xbox, I think its expressive power is considerable, perhaps greater than the PS2\'s.
http://www.coremagazine.com/interviews/29.php3?2
Main Entry: 1con·sid·er·able
Pronunciation: -\'si-d&r(-&)-b&l, -\'si-dr&-b&l
Function: adjective
Date: circa 1619
1 : worth consideration : SIGNIFICANT
2 : large in extent or degree
- con·sid·er·ably /-blE/ adverb
In other words, Kojima said that Xbox was more powerful to a large extent or SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than PS2. So, you can do one of two things, NPlayer: Either admit that Kojima was contradicting himself or admit that Kojima was saying that the Xbox is much more powerful than the PS2. Niether choice may be desirable to you, but those are the only two that exist. The lesson to be learned from this? Don\'t put too much stock into quotes.
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Originally posted by Gohan
There is a differance between not wanting to purchase one and not caring.
Exactly.
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Originally posted by EThugg
Exactly.
Yeah but how many of us arent real gamers?
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Yeah but how many of us arent real gamers?
Anyone who dissmisses a console this far before its even out isnt a real gamer IMO. I wasn\'t even slightly critical of PS2 (or any other system) until I had it in my hands.