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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: BizioEE on April 10, 2001, 02:57:33 AM
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In Japan next week Sony will be releaseing that upgraded version of PlayStation 2, this expansion will allow gamers to plug in the hard disk drive unit and cnnect to the internet with the speed of broadband. The PS2\'s that were released in Europe and the United States already feature the expansion bay slot for the hard drive. Sony is planning to raise monthy production of PS2\'s this fall. It is aiming for shipping 20 million more units starting this business year that started on April 1 of this year!
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a new VERSION, you mean with a HHDD expansion bay?? What so early? I thought this stuff wasn\'t due till the end of the year.
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Ha ! Sony f*cked their own Japanese public IMO.
They should have had that version like us from start.
Now I know they will pay about the same for an \' external hdd\' as for the one that fits in the exp bay, BUT ;
they will feel kinda like Sega CD all over. I mean it will feel as if they are buying a somewhat obsolete add on.
I saw a pic once of the Japanese ps2 with the ext. hdd;
imo it looked plain ugly.
Am I glad I live in Europe with my PAL ( lol) PS2.
Knotter8
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Yup, the HD is pretty much destined to fail. Its a pretty simple rule with games: If it didnt come with the launch its never going to work. The only way it will work is if they package them with games that use them like Nintendo did with the ram expansion. But this isnt a 20 buck chunk of ram, its a $150 Hard Drive, so unless they up the price of a game to $200 they are never going to get enough of them out there to do any good.
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Originally posted by AxL
Yup, the HD is pretty much destined to fail. Its a pretty simple rule with games: If it didnt come with the launch its never going to work. The only way it will work is if they package them with games that use them like Nintendo did with the ram expansion. But this isnt a 20 buck chunk of ram, its a $150 Hard Drive, so unless they up the price of a game to $200 they are never going to get enough of them out there to do any good.
More like a $50 harddrive according to Ken... :) but still, I will be interested to se how they will pull this off. They will probably just start including it in all of thier systems, and perhaps offering with some initial games that use it.
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Is it possible that software publishers will release games that support the hard drive for improved performance, but don\'t require it? Will the technology permit that, or will it be either/or?
It seems that early adopters would be shooting themselves in the foot if they release software that requires the HDD. BTW, I don\'t see why it has to cost $150.00. I think they could produce a slightly lower-tech, lower capacity hard drive much less.
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if it comes with the network card/modem it will probably sell well.
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I remember someone saying the hdd is going to be 40gig. If it is there is no way they will be able to sell it for only $50 and also inlcude the ethernet adapter.
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40Gb was confirmed at Sony\'s annual PlayStation conference, so case closed (unless they decide to change it). The price is still a mystery to everyone, though...
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For this HDD to be a success Sony would have to take a significant loss and practically give it away for free. Otherwise its DOA.
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I wonder why they are using such a large hdd, I have a 30gig and 10 gig and have only used around 20 of it. They must be thinking of loading games on to it for it to be that big.
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You simply cant sell a 30 gig HD and a ethernet adapter for $50 bucks unless Sony is going to put themselves in the poor house to get it out. Sega\'s ethernet adapter is $40 alone and Sega is selling everything at a super low price. They might as well buy up Sega\'s supply of 32Xs and re-package them.
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i\'ll bet every nay-sayer here that the HD/broadband adapter will not fail,it will be a run-away success. then i will laugh at you when this happens...wait for a moment so i can save your pathetic comments,then show them to you here on this forum when the units are in the majority of PS2 owners homes :)
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And why would every gamer want it when it doesn\'t enhance games like the N64 expansion pak, which didn\'t exactly sell like crazy?
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Originally posted by inteq
And why would every gamer want it when it doesn\'t enhance games like the N64 expansion pak, which didn\'t exactly sell like crazy?
well first you can\'t base your theory on other game companies because Sony doesn\'t run business like Sega or Nintendo....but remember most all the developers are behind Sony and then you take in account how madly PS2 sold. another thing,this does not enhance the games,it changes the games into a whole nother realm in a sense. pc gamers witnesssed this,able to play online and have extended versions of their games,this completely changed the way pc games executed. if you want a good example of a Sony\'s device changing the way we play games now,just check out the last controller for the PSX. it was not an original device of the PSX yet all games pretty much were developed to use it and just about every owner of the console had it. what is kind of funny,most everyone saying this will fail like the 32x or whatever,are not regular Playstation users / owners / supporters,most were / are persons who are formally Sega / Nintendo followers. that\'s how i see it....i\'d say more but i will save my laughter for those who say this will fail,in the end i win and then i will mock them even further in this forum :D
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this does not enhance the games,it changes the games into a whole nother realm in a sense
Ya, try selling that to your everyday, run-of-the-mill gamer. Its going to be a huge flop.
if you want a good example of a Sony\'s device changing the way we play games now,just check out the last controller for the PSX. it was not an original device of the PSX yet all games pretty much were developed to use it and just about every owner of the console had it
NO, not every Playstation owner had a Dual Shock, about a 1 in 4 PS owners had one based on sales figures for the controller. Another thing that seperates the HD from the Dual Shock is you only needed the Dual Shock for 2 games to my knowledge: Ape Escape and Stunt Copter, which both sold like crap.
most everyone saying this will fail like the 32x or whatever,are not regular Playstation users / owners / supporters,most were / are persons who are formally Sega / Nintendo followers.
So I guess I should just trust the hardcore Sony fanboys from now on then? The truth is I play just about everything. I dont have a favorite system based on which company made it, I base my opinion on the games. Right now the PS2 has the best games, but that could change. And if it does I\'m going to scurry on over to that system. I just give my opinion as I see it, and where I sit it looks like its going to fail. I know I dont plan on buying one anytime soon.
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It amazes me that Sony didn\'t take note of all the past add-on failures. The HD is about guranteed to fail. First off, price wise, there is no way they can sell 40 gigs for $50 dollars, unless they want to take a huge loss in money. Second, they have to make some killer "apps" for it. NO one is going to want it, if there is not a bunch of exclusive games that demand the HD. Otherwise, it is optional, and for most people, if they have to pay for something optional--they won\'t.
As for calling the dual shock an add-on, I don\'t think it really was. STill, if you want to call it one you can. But, it was also cheaper and it was a controller. Now, while it may be an add-on, most people just looked at it as a enhanced controller. IN the general public\'s eye, that is a far cry from an add-on, unlike the HD. MOst of the general public will see it , then remember spending $300 on the PS2 itself, and turn away.
Sony is going to have a hard time proving that the HD is worth having and it fails, like I suspect it will, it will hurt their reputation alot. Personally, I think Sony should drop the idea of the HD all together or just release it in JApan only, like Nintendo did with the 64DD.
The ethernet card should sell though. Everyone with broadband , will want to use it. Problem is, how many users actually have broadband? Broadband is still missing in rural areas, for the most part.
most everyone saying this will fail like the 32x or whatever,are not regular Playstation users / owners / supporters,most were / are persons who are formally Sega / Nintendo followers.
Uh? No company has really pulled off a succesful add-on. How about the Jaguar CD? 3DO\'s vaporware "M2? Nintendo\'s 64DD? I could keep listing them. For the most part, people just don\'t want to pay more money for a game system. And until Sony announces a exclusive game that REQUIRES the HD, there is no actual reason to own one.
All I can say is Sony better have some damn impressive announcements for the HD rather soon, before everyone either (1) forgets it or (2) gets annoyed by the idea of an add-on.
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...I think in all different way!
The HD will be the Key for better games...and I think Sony will do the right moves to make this add-on very seductive! How? Try to imagine,for example,a Game like GT4 where you can download new courses,new cars,where you can personalize your car and exchange it with another car of a friend of yours...that could make a game like GT4 an infinite Game! FAR BETTER!
...or try to imagine the success that Episode-Games could have...Games like The Next Generation Lara or the Lost where you can download new episodes on your HD and you can play a game Ten Times more extensive with the same price!
And however we\'ll see several other applications which will entice People to buy the HD...let\'s wait and see...
The HD is not an add-on like 32X or 64DD...and you know it very well Living-in-Clip ! ;)
(However I\'m confident that Sony at first will spread the HD at a competitive price and later they will release the New Models with the HD built-in)
I\'m excited and trustful :)
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Originally posted by AxL
Ya, try selling that to your everyday, run-of-the-mill gamer. Its going to be a huge flop.
it\'s not a sell,it is already a reality as i stated pc gamers are already experience this type of gaming because of these items and it\'s a huge market,console gamers are waiting for this kind of gaming (just because you have no vision for it doesn\'t mean the majority of gamers are not).
NO, not every Playstation owner had a Dual Shock, about a 1 in 4 PS owners had one based on sales figures for the controller. Another thing that seperates the HD from the Dual Shock is you only needed the Dual Shock for 2 games to my knowledge: Ape Escape and Stunt Copter, which both sold like crap.
where is your link,a url at some stinking gaming site that took a poll of a couple hundred people? sorry but you\'re wrong here man,plus anyways developers have supported the device in the majority of newer games for the PSX when it was released.
So I guess I should just trust the hardcore Sony fanboys from now on then? The truth is I play just about everything. I dont have a favorite system based on which company made it, I base my opinion on the games. Right now the PS2 has the best games, but that could change. And if it does I\'m going to scurry on over to that system. I just give my opinion as I see it, and where I sit it looks like its going to fail. I know I dont plan on buying one anytime soon.
i don\'t know,should you?? well good for you that you play alot of stuff,i\'m so giddy with excitement now. being that you are so knowledgable of the unknown,your vision looks as thick as ever...i will mock you when you see the device come out successful and not let you forget it.
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PC users may be able to d/l new levels, but for the most part the levels aren\'t made by the companies that made the game but individuals. When a company has an expansion pak, they sell it and don\'t give it away. Do you really think companies are going to waste their time making new levels and just give them away?
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inteq - Thats exactly what Epic did with the Unreal Tournament Bonus Pack on the PC.
-bd
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
It amazes me that Sony didn\'t take note of all the past add-on failures. The HD is about guranteed to fail. First off, price wise, there is no way they can sell 40 gigs for $50 dollars, unless they want to take a huge loss in money. Second, they have to make some killer "apps" for it. NO one is going to want it, if there is not a bunch of exclusive games that demand the HD. Otherwise, it is optional, and for most people, if they have to pay for something optional--they won\'t.
where is everybody getting their info from,i\'ve never seen an actual quoted price of a specified drive...and how can you guarentee anything,you are basing everything of the kings of add-on failure companies - Sega and Nintendo respectively. they obviously do not market items right and plan them well beforehand.
As for calling the dual shock an add-on, I don\'t think it really was. STill, if you want to call it one you can. But, it was also cheaper and it was a controller. Now, while it may be an add-on, most people just looked at it as a enhanced controller. IN the general public\'s eye, that is a far cry from an add-on, unlike the HD. MOst of the general public will see it , then remember spending $300 on the PS2 itself, and turn away.
it was an add-on,game developers had to have it programmed in,it could not be used fully until that happened. comparing it to a hard drive / online adapter is a far cry because the change is not just enhanced,it is completely something new. i doubt the general public will turn away from a proposed new gaming experience,money is no matter (the same argument Sega followers used saying PS2 would flop because of the price,lame purely lame!) if you want something new,it will be a wanted item
Sony is going to have a hard time proving that the HD is worth having and it fails, like I suspect it will, it will hurt their reputation alot. Personally, I think Sony should drop the idea of the HD all together or just release it in JApan only, like Nintendo did with the 64DD.
thank God some people in the scene decided to stay out of the gaming industry or we\'d have a bunch of narrowminded views at these companies and things would be stagnate :)
The ethernet card should sell though. Everyone with broadband , will want to use it. Problem is, how many users actually have broadband? Broadband is still missing in rural areas, for the most part.
i missed something here...i don\'t think Sony will have a seperate BB adapter apart from the HD,i think it will be a combined device.
Uh? No company has really pulled off a succesful add-on. How about the Jaguar CD? 3DO\'s vaporware "M2? Nintendo\'s 64DD? I could keep listing them. For the most part, people just don\'t want to pay more money for a game system. And until Sony announces a exclusive game that REQUIRES the HD, there is no actual reason to own one.
i wouldn\'t base things on how those companies opreated things,only N64 was a successful console but they didn\'t not market to a general market,mostly had been a kid\'s market and we know kids do not have the money to supply add-on devices or even have that sort of interest...
All I can say is Sony better have some damn impressive announcements for the HD rather soon, before everyone either (1) forgets it or (2) gets annoyed by the idea of an add-on.
again,i don\'t see the HD and BB adapter as two seperate items sold seperately,i believe they will be combined for sell.
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As I stated earlier, the HD is the next 32x or Sega CD. And until Sony comes up comes up with a compelling reason to own one, there is no actual positive to it.
I don\'t care how popular the PS2 is, it doesn\'t make everyone want to own a HD. People already spent $300 on the system and if a HD comes out within a year people are going to be upset. Who can blame them? People keep yacking about how much the Xbox *may* cost, but how much is the PS2 going to cost once you add the HD and broadband?
Answer: Too damn much .
They could sell the broadband adapter easy. $50 dollars for a simple adapter, for broadband users could use it.