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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: DirectXbox on April 12, 2001, 06:04:50 AM
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Last week we ran a news article that quoted Robbie Bach, senior vice president of Microsoft\'s games division, who stated, "Console pricing is a pretty well-defined science. The research has told us that consoles typically start around the range of $299 in the US and somewhere between 29,000 yen and 39,000 yen in Japan. We will take that research into account when we start pricing the Xbox."
While this price is about $5 cheaper than the price the PlayStation 2 retails for in Japan and equal to the PS2\'s North American price tag, many of you felt that the Xbox would be overpriced at $300. Considering the Xbox has all the features of the PlayStation 2 plus improved hardware, a 10GB hard drive, and a broadband adapter included, these arguments may be unsubstantiated. Barnaby Jones agrees and had this to offer: "All you guys who think that $300 is expensive have got to be stupid. Look at the price of Nvidia\'s graphics cards. Weaker ones than what will be in the Xbox cost more than the entire [Xbox] system itself. DVD players aren\'t cheap, either." Eldon Thompson agrees wholeheartedly, as his Talkback post demonstrates. "What\'s with all the love for Sony and the PS2? It\'s overpriced garbage. The Xbox could cost twice as much as the PlayStation 2, and valuewise, it\'ll still beat the crap out of anything Sony has dreamed up so far. The Dreamcast is still better than the PS2 and it costs a third of what Sony is robbing folks for. What is it about change that has people so scared?" he stated. John Sturgeon broke the situation down to the essentials when he exclaimed, "The PS2 already costs $299, so there is no difference in Xbox launching at $299 that would give Sony any advantage. Even if Sony lowers the price by $50 at the Xbox\'s launch, you will still be forced to pay $100-plus more to add on a hard drive and broadband adapter, still making Xbox the better buy." One genuine concern that many have with Xbox is the quantity and quality of its exclusive software.
Many of our more astute readers have picked up on this potential problem and voiced their opinions in Talkback. Alan Falconer wondered what value there is in excellent hardware without the software to support it when he wrote, "How dumb do they think we are? Who\'s going to pay $300-plus for a system when no one even knows if it will be successful? It\'s like buying a more expensive PS2. At least the PS2 has some decent franchises behind it." Mike Lee from Los Angeles concurred: "Microsoft keeps on bragging about how powerful its Xbox is compared with the PS2 and the GameCube, but they hardly say anything about how strong their software lineup is going to be after the launch of the system." WLHarrier was thinking along the same lines when he retorted, "By the time it [the Xbox] comes out, the PS2 will be $200 and the GameCube $150. Why would anyone buy a more expensive system with hardly any exclusive games?"
Many of our readers expanded on the topic to predict Xbox\'s overall chances for success. Of those who responded with this sort of post, the impressions were split down the middle. Some believe that the Xbox is bound for success, while others feel it\'s doomed. Chris E. Reginaldo from Orlando, Fla., thinks that Microsoft has plenty of money in the bank to become a competitor. "Considering their available \'war chest,\' Microsoft might match Sony\'s PS2 price, banking on their software sales to compensate for the losses they will no doubt take," he stated. Seth from Minnesota is already sold on the potential of the Xbox, as evidenced by his post. "All I can say is that if they can make it $299 or less then I\'m all over that," he quipped. A few of our readers fear another PlayStation 2 launch fiasco when the Xbox hits retail later this year. Jim McKeever would be happy if Microsoft makes sure there are enough Xbox consoles to go around. "Microsoft, open up those ears and listen to what the people want: great games and the ability to pick up the system a week before Christmas without having to be put on a waiting list or log onto eBay to be gouged by the greedy," he explained. Danny Miller from Ohio isn\'t convinced that the Xbox will be a success and instead believes that Microsoft is making the same mistakes other companies have made in the past. "I really think the Xbox will turn out like another 3DO. The system is just like it--I think it will do very well at launch and fail," he predicts...
An interesting read...the rest can be found at http://www.zdnet.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2707227,00.html
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some guys are blind, and won\'t realize that they will never see the PS2 true potential with remarks & a mentality like that, its just sad, people arent afraid of change thats why they bought PS2\'s cause they knew it was going to be a great investment. they only people that are afraid of change are the fan boys. do i have to name 1?
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Wow, the agressivity of that guy (Barnaby Jones) is amazing !!!
"PS2 It\'s overpriced garbage."
Incredible !!!
Who\'s that guy, he\'s working for MS?
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Maybe that Barnaby Jones guay finnaly relized Xbox aint all that??
Just maybe..
Poor little sad man..
/FAST
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What those guys don\'t realize, is that MOST console gamers aren\'t going to spend 600 bucks on a console, no matter how great it is! Remember the NEO GEO (Amazing power/graphics, pretty decent games)? It was released here in canada at 500 bucks (PS2 is 450 here). It failed utterly. At the time, the upper limit of it\'s competition was about 250 cdn (segaCD/32X, SNES).
If Microsoft can\'t competitively price their system, no matter how much better it is, it won\'t sell. All those 8-18 year olds who rely on their parents to buy them a system will be getting a PS2 or Gamecube. No way a mother/father will fork over 2x the cost in a store for a "hdd" and "dvd player". Usually, the parents don\'t even know about that stuff.
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Originally posted by Julien
Wow, the agressivity of that guy (Barnaby Jones) is amazing !!!
"PS2 It\'s overpriced garbage."
Incredible !!!
Who\'s that guy, he\'s working for MS?
Man this guy(Barnaby Jones) is plain stupid.
This is clearly XBOX propagantha.100%sure he works for MS.
As time passes I feel more disgust about them.
, it\'ll still beat the crap out of anything Sony has dreamed up so far. The Dreamcast is still better than the PS2 and it costs a third of what Sony is robbing folks for. What is it about change that has people so scared?"
Yeah DC still better,YEAH RIGHT!!.
read the highlighted part.NOW THAT SOUNDS AS MONOPOLYSTIC AS NOTHING ELSE I VE EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE IN HISTORY OF GAMING.NO COMPETITION!!!
He is like calling US stupid for buying and liking PS2.As if we arent smart enough to choose what is good for us consumers??????????
HELL!!!EVERY PS2 OWNER I KNOW IS SATISFYED WITH IT!!!!(not refering to the forum).
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Yet again, M$ has made complete fools of themselfs!
LMAO @ MicroBRAINS!
/FAST
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Yeah DC still better,YEAH RIGHT!!.
What is wrong with saying DC is better? I certainly think so with its more appealing games. But that\'s just me.
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I think everybody (blatent fanboys excluded) agrees here that if Microsoft can put out powerfull harware at a decent price and a good software line-up then they will succede.
Its all about games and if MS doesn\'t have any, they fail. But if they get it right and give the people what they want you have to be an idiot to pass the xbox by because of some false idea that Sony (I also mean Sega, Nintendo, MS, exe.) actually gives a damn about us over our money.
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The last one out will suffer, period.
People who buy multiple consoles are in the extreme minority, and of those that do, the software they buy has to be divided between them (if not pirated....bastards!!).
So, the third company to release their system, weather it\'s MS or Nin, will be facing a much smaller demographic of available consumers.
After the first 2 have launched (PS2-NGC, or PS2-Xbox) the third will have to scrounge for gamers not yet situated.
This really is a fight between MS and N.
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Why is everyone h8ing on Barnaby Jones? He\'s misguided yes, but I know plenty of people who genuinly h8 Sony as much as he does, and do not work for MS. He\'s too far against Sony, and some of you are too pro Sony. The last 3 posts above are the only non biased ones here.
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Originally posted by Ashford
What is wrong with saying DC is better? I certainly think so with its more appealing games. But that\'s just me.
I wasn dissing DC.I really like DC.But Barnaby Jones uses it to promote XBOX.he is using it against PS2 to promote XBOX.Thats what makes me angry.
DC has super cool games.But PS2 has now.Its not the PS2 we used to see in launch.It has games that the DC will never match.
And seeing the future PS2 games how can he understate PS2 so much???
This is no way to speak about the console you think its good.Dissing other consoles to make your console sound better is not right.
Why is everyone h8ing on Barnaby Jones? He\'s misguided yes, but I know plenty of people who genuinly h8 Sony as much as he does, and do not work for MS. He\'s too far against Sony, and some of you are too pro Sony. The last 3 posts above are the only non biased ones here.
Most Sony haters are Sega,XBOX and Nintendo fanatics.
The majority of developers and gamers like Sony a lot.
And why is my post biased?Ha?Because I spoke th etruth about Barbaby Jones?
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Just to clear something up:
Isnt the XBox not coming with the broadband apadter anymore?
I thought they are adding that as a buy-up option.
Also it doesnt come with DVD paybeack.
So, If you were going to get everything the PS2 has and more, youd be spending at least $330(they said the remote and drivers would cost at least 30 or 40 dollars so I picked the low cost one) + the broadband adapter($30?), so youll actually be spending 360.
Other than that, I think this guy was overly harsh.
I hope the Xbox does live up to its hype though.
Imagine the games we could be playing.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
And why is my post biased?Ha?Because I spoke th etruth about Barbaby Jones?
The truth? That he works for MS? Wheres your proof? And yes, people who hate PS2/Sony usually are fanatics of another system, that doesnt mean they work for their favorite company, or have been brainwashed. I love my PS2, but I do not like Sony one bit.
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Originally posted by Faithdies
Just to clear something up:
Isnt the XBox not coming with the broadband apadter anymore?
It\'s still included. I think you were confused.
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Originally posted by EThugg
The truth? That he works for MS? Wheres your proof? And yes, people who hate PS2/Sony usually are fanatics of another system, that doesnt mean they work for their favorite company, or have been brainwashed. I love my PS2, but I do not like Sony one bit.
Not that he works with MS.But about what he said.
By the way why does he hate PS2 so much?And love XBOX so much?
And dont twist the meaning of my words.I only spoke about fanatics.And fanatics are one sided and have there eyes open only towards the console they are fanatics of.
Yes sir no need to work in a specific company yes sir no need to be brainwashed but propagantha is what creates fanatics.
And here is what jones is doing.
hmm.Really?Why do yuo hate Sony?Consumers hate a company for its products and thats teh reason they dont buy them.Realy why do you hate Sony?
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DirectXbox, don\'t post anything on the main forum
why would you waste our time with this oppinionated BS
Overpriced Garbage, c\'mon thats the song of a fanboy. I could waste everyones time with 100 solid arguments against this meathead, but the whole BS console war and SOny hating stupidity is rediculous and not worth a 20 minute rant that only a few will read, and those that do will counter with more rediculous BS
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Originally posted by Unicron!
hmm.Really?Why do yuo hate Sony?Consumers hate a company for its products and thats teh reason they dont buy them.Realy why do you hate Sony?
I like their buisiness tactics as much as MS\'s (ie: I hate em), but Sony is given a pass by a lot of ppl on this forum. And I like PS2 for the games, but it is IMO poorly designed, and aside from PSone, and their Walkmans, I don\'t like a single other product theyve made.
As for Barnaby, you said you feel \'disgust\' for MS, because of things like this. Like what? A fanboy? You feel disgust about MS and XB cause of a fanboys comments? He sounds no different than any PS2 fanboy, but you arent disgusted by Sony for their hype and the fanboys they created.... your being very unfair.
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Originally posted by EThugg
I like their buisiness tactics as much as MS\'s (ie: I hate em), but Sony is given a pass by a lot of ppl on this forum. And I like PS2 for the games, but it is IMO poorly designed, and aside from PSone, and their Walkmans, I don\'t like a single other product theyve made.
As for Barnaby, you said you feel \'disgust\' for MS, because of things like this. Like what? A fanboy? You feel disgust about MS and XB cause of a fanboys comments? He sounds no different than any PS2 fanboy, but you arent disgusted by Sony for their hype and the fanboys they created.... your being very unfair.
Yeah yeah poorly designed.Its hardware or its looks.
Hmm is that a reason to hate Sony?Becaue uo didnt like there ither products?Why dont you like the other products?
Have you ever seen a Sony fanboy in this forum talking this way about any other console?He sounds 50 times worse than Nplayer.AND HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ME SUPPRTING A FANBOY TALKING WITH THIS MANNER???
The results from MS\'s efforts to make people follow XBOX unquestioningly,and blindnessly is clearly shown above.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Yeah yeah poorly designed.Its hardware or its looks.
Hmm is that a reason to hate Sony?Becaue uo didnt like there ither products?Why dont you like the other products?
Have you ever seen a Sony fanboy in this forum talking this way about any other console?He sounds 50 times worse than Nplayer.AND HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ME SUPPRTING A FANBOY TALKING WITH THIS MANNER???
The results from MS\'s efforts to make people follow XBOX unquestioningly,and blindnessly is clearly shown above.
Both hardware and looks, and they make average products, but many ppl (even on this forum) say they make the best electronics. They don\'t.
Yes I have, and Nplayer-2 does sound as bad. I cant name a specific occasion you supported it, but the fact that you dont think Nplayer sounds that bad means you are seeing only what you want to see.
I\'m sorry, but no. MS hasn\'t done that. Yet.
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Originally posted by EThugg
Both hardware and looks, and they make average products, but many ppl (even on this forum) say they make the best electronics. They don\'t.
Yes I have, and Nplayer-2 does sound as bad. I cant name a specific occasion you supported it, but the fact that you dont think Nplayer sounds that bad means you are seeing only what you want to see.
I\'m sorry, but no. MS hasn\'t done that. Yet.
Then you dont own a PS2.Or you dont own it because you gladly wanted to.If PS2 is so flawed IYO then is not a console for u.Sony are making some of the best electronics.Who said they are the best?They are the "best"(not the best) as far a casual consumer can buy.I still dont find a reason why you hate Sony so much.
Excuse me but I rarely post in Nplayer2\'s threads and there is no reason for me to post against him while others do the job for me:D.
Hey NPLAYER sounds bad but I dont think as bad as HIM.Atleast I havent given much attention to NPLAYERS posts.I never do.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Then you dont own a PS2.Or you dont own it because you gladly wanted to.If PS2 is so flawed IYO then is not a console for u.Sony are making some of the best electronics.Who said they are the best?They are the "best"(not the best) as far a casual consumer can buy.I still dont find a reason why you hate Sony so much.
Excuse me but I rarely post in Nplayer2\'s threads and there is no reason for me to post against him while others do the job for me:D.
Hey NPLAYER sounds bad but I dont think as bad as HIM.Atleast I havent given much attention to NPLAYERS posts.I never do.
I do own a PS2, but so far, for 3rd party games. Extermination isn\'t even that good... No, Sony isnt better than RCA, Magnavox, Panasonic, etc...
You must\'ve skipped a few of his posts, he\'s definitely just as bad.
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Originally posted by EThugg
I do own a PS2, but so far, for 3rd party games. Extermination isn\'t even that good... No, Sony isnt better than RCA, Magnavox, Panasonic, etc...
You must\'ve skipped a few of his posts, he\'s definitely just as bad.
Well I didnt say SONY is the best.
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The Dreamcast is still better than the PS2 and it costs a third of what Sony is robbing folks for.
I whole heartedly agree... I love my DC:D
But anyway, I don\'t like the rest of the article. So Bias, this is the kinda of stuff that won\'t make me feel sorry for MS if they fail. If this was to generate hype, forget it. This will just piss people off.
If Xbox has the games this fall and beyond, I think it will, then there is no reason for it to fail. But if that were the case, DC would be number one right now.
I\'ll wait till after this year too say anymore about how the console wars will come out.
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No, Sony isnt better than RCA, Magnavox, Panasonic, etc...
That all depends on what. Each company does a certain electronic well. There is no \'best\' of everything. They each have their own sh!t.
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Ethugg, are you positive its coming with the broadband adapter?
Im pretty sure they said it was going to be a launch accesory.
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Originally posted by Faithdies
Ethugg, are you positive its coming with the broadband adapter?
Im pretty sure they said it was going to be a launch accesory.
99% sure. The rumors were that thered be no online games ready at launch, not that they were taking the modem/adapter out of the package deal. Wait til E3, I\'m sure they\'ll have full details about the launch then. Then we can both be 100% sure :).
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Ok.
Thanks ,Ethugg.
So now the only Next generation console to have built-in broadband other than dreamcast is the Xbox.