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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: ho3j on April 13, 2001, 06:16:05 PM
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There is so much debate about in this paragraph that I thought it had to be posted here:
http://xbox.ign.com/news/33448.html
"First, a funny little bit of information regarding Team Ninja\'s development of the game. According to the magazine, Team Ninja received their Xbox development kits and wanted to test them out. So what would you do in this situation? Right - port your latest game to the new system as quickly as possible. And that\'s what Team Ninja did. Two members of the team got to work on a port of Dead or Alive 2: Hardcore from the PS2 to the Xbox. It took just two months to port everything but the sound, and when all was said and done, the game was running at 130 frames per second! On the PS2 and Dreamcast, the game runs at 60 frames per second (your eye tends to not notice the additional frames beyond this)."
This would suggest that porting games over to the Xbox from the PS2 is not the chore many of us (myself included) once thought. Plus of course the framerate portion is interesting (although to assume that this is the case for each game would be ludicrous).
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BS..A human eye cannot see 130 fps. And team ninja took one month YES ONE MONTH! do port DOa2 from the easy naomi to the o so difficult ps2! They said that they don\'t have any problems with ps2\'s hardware :)
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Originally posted by Metal_Gear_Ray
BS..A human eye cannot see 130 fps.
Perhaps not, but:
1-Im sure some people can see above 60, and
2-That wasnt the point, the point was the ease of porting, and the power of the system. Port something to PS2, its not great. PS2 games must be built from the ground up to run decently. XB can be ported to easily, with a lot of power to spare. I think thats what theyre saying.
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I think the article is misleading. For starters, DOA2 was originally made on Naomi. Was a quick port to PS2 + some enhancements. If Tecmo had done it from the ground up, and originally for the PS2, it would have been even better.
- dm
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Originally posted by datamage
I think the article is misleading. For starters, DOA2 was originally made on Naomi. Was a quick port to PS2 + some enhancements. If Tecmo had done it from the ground up, and originally for the PS2, it would have been even better.
- dm
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Its from a DC magazine (the news), so why would a DC mag... esp. a jap one, say anything remotely pro XB unless it was true?
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I have to lean towards DM\'s opinion here... It wasn\'t made on PS2 ground up. But it is interesting nevertheless. It would just have been more interesting with a game that was made for PS2 originally.
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130 fps??????!!!!!!???:eek:
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Its from a DC magazine (the news), so why would a DC mag... esp. a jap one, say anything remotely pro XB unless it was true?
I don\'t think it was a pro-anything really. They\'re just using faulty logic.
Think of the source of the game; from Naomi to PS2 to X-box. The article should have said that porting Naomi to X-box was easy. Hell, as hard as the PS2 is supposed to be, Tecmo did a pretty damn good job porting DOA2 to PS2. The PS2 version is essentially the Naomi version w/better lighting, and some degraded textures. ;)
- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?
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and let\'s not forget that doa2 hc is not really pushing the ps2 very hard, it doesn\'t use the streaming stuff and all, which I think is the reason why games are ported difficult
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It has come to my attention, from reading all psx2 forums out there, that when ever something really positive is shown or said about the box, most(not all) psx2fanboys find a way to put it down, and say **** like, psx2 could do that, or the developers were lazy on that game, etc....
Damn i mean psx2 will have some nice games, but come on give the xbox some credit here.
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ps2hahaha;
Once you learn proper grammar and spelling then perhaps I\'ll listen. (or maybe not) .. Dumb troll.
Ogodly;
I\'ll give credit where credit is due. I think that article doesn\'t make sense. DOA2 is not a PS2 game, it\'s a NAOMI/DC game. Put 1 and 1 together.
- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
It has come to my attention, from reading all psx2 forums out there, that when ever something really positive is shown or said about the box, most(not all) psx2fanboys find a way to put it down, and say **** like, psx2 could do that, or the developers were lazy on that game, etc....
Damn i mean psx2 will have some nice games, but come on give the xbox some credit here.
Thats probably cauuse buttwipes like you actually goto PS2 forums and preach your Xbox gospels over and over and over again
Why not just face the fact that most people could give a giant flying rats ass at your thoughts about pretty much anything ever.
but DOA2:HC is pretty much a slightly enhanced DC game which would port even quicker over to XBox.
130FPS is impressive as hell, I\'m just waiting patiently for XBox to actually show us the power because although things are shaping up, its still not powerful enough to make alot of people want to pick one up
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Ps2hahaha that is uncalled for. Why come here to insult. If you want to make good conversation in any way that is not the way to do it. Do you have a PS2? I for one love all gaming platforms. I cannot see bashing or inciting foul feelings like you are putting out. If you talk in a gracious form your point might be heard. The way you are talking will get you banned quickly. Be civil.
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Can someone finally put an end to ps2haha\'s misery?
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you have got to undersand, 130 fps, is IMPOSSIBLE on X box HArdware.... that requires such processor speed.... that x box dosent have, gamecube , mabye, it has the most powerful cpu, x box\'s is the slowest. if you look at performance, not mhz. it goes gamecube, ps2, x box, dreamcast.
and DDayrl, he needs to go home....
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Originally posted by Falcon4
you have got to undersand, 130 fps, is IMPOSSIBLE on X box HArdware.... that requires such processor speed.... that x box dosent have,
Bull****. I believe Team Ninja a million times more than anyone here.
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Originally posted by ps2hahaha
By looking at your picture there you need to get away from the computer and get some pussy.You are a single minded child that loads up on the valasine every time the cat walks by.HAHAHAHA judging by the number of post you have,I feel sorry for you.Go and get a life child.
That was quite possibly the most pointless post I have ever read in my life. First of all, judging people by their pic is stupid as hell, and his pic is actually pretty funny. Second of all he is a top mod and it is his job to post alot. Third and finally he is about 30(I think) years old and is married, you lowlife piece of scum fanboy trash. I feel sorry for you. Oh wait, no I don\'t. You go get a life, child.
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PS2hahaha, you are a fool. You just come here to bash, nothing else. If you really wanted to inform people of the superior Xbox capabilities then you should do so in a proper manner. If you\'re reasonable, intelligent etc, then people are much more prone to listening. But that crap you\'re spewing out won\'t get you anywhere - except a banning perhaps. So take the advice if you know what\'s good for you.
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Originally posted by Falcon4
...if you look at performance, not mhz. it goes gamecube, ps2, x box, dreamcast.
Nope. Firstly the performance of the next-gen consoles is based upon the combined power of the main CPU and the graphics processor.
Hence for main CPU only, the order is PS2*, XBox, GC then DC. For GPU/GS, the order is XBox, GC, PS2* then DC. In total, the performance of the consoles should be as follows; XBox, GC, PS2, DC.
*The PS2 fits in uncomfortably within these lists because T&L operations are carried out by the EE, not the GS.
How big (or small) the performcne gap is between each console on that list remains to be seen. ;)
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well, I as far as i have seen the GC has shown me better graphics than xbox (not that I like GC)
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Besides those initial demos, we\'ve seen very little of the GC. For me, games like Malice, Munch\'s Oddysee, DOA3 and Halo together with demos like Inevitable Evolution (awesome model detail) and some of the sections within 3DMark2001 running on the NV20 (such as the Nature demo and Max Payne), have been far more impressive than the little we\'ve seen so far of the GC.
Going back to my previous post, there is nothing in the specs to suggest the order was wrong. Anyway, E3 is not far away, so let\'s wait and see. :)
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Originally posted by Metal_Gear_Ray
well, I as far as i have seen the GC has shown me better graphics than xbox (not that I like GC)
Please tell me how much have seen. Are you and insider.? Man I wish I had connections like you have and could see all the nice work nintendo is doing, but seriously if you say that about xbox same thing goes for ps2 then, because I have not seen anything on ps2 so far that blows dc away except mgs2.
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it hurts me to say but im looking forward to X-BOX more than gamecube
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Originally posted by Dr Yassam
Nope. Firstly the performance of the next-gen consoles is based upon the combined power of the main CPU and the graphics processor.
Hence for main CPU only, the order is PS2*, XBox, GC then DC. For GPU/GS, the order is XBox, GC, PS2* then DC. In total, the performance of the consoles should be as follows; XBox, GC, PS2, DC.
*The PS2 fits in uncomfortably within these lists because T&L operations are carried out by the EE, not the GS.
How big (or small) the performcne gap is between each console on that list remains to be seen. ;)
Excuse me Dr Yassam...but there\'s something that I don\'t understand....
May you show me something tangible which proves X-Box is the most powerful console ? (it\'s a sincere question...not a "provocation" :))
...I mean...the NV2A has incredible specs but I\'d like to see what a P3(a 32 bit processor - cisk tecnology) + NV2A + Unified Ram can DO !
How efficently the X-Box can work with a Weak - Cisk - CPU ? ...and how many data can the X-Box manage with unified RAM ? Texture-compression,Z-compression and Vertex compression is enough to solve the "problem" of slow Unified RAM ?
In a word...can the X-Box manage more polys,more detailed textures,more physics,AI,and far more data required for a more advanced Game than GC and PS2 through "6.4 Giga/sec" ?
I think "NO!".....but sure I could be wrong so...try to explain to me :) (be honest please :))
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Excuse me Dr Yassam...but there\'s something that I don\'t understand....
May you show me something tangible which proves X-Box is the most powerful console ?
You mean you dont believe Kojima-san? Shame on you... ;)
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Originally posted by EThugg
You mean you dont believe Kojima-san? Shame on you... ;)
mmm...I asked Dr Yassam to show me some other "non-BS" opinions about the True Power of the X-Box,like Kojima\'s one ;)....however...do you think you are Dr Yassam?
...so...please...if someone asks nothing to you don\'t answer ! :)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
May you show me something tangible which proves X-Box is the most powerful console ? ... I think "NO!".....but sure I could be wrong so...try to explain to me.
To be honest BizioEE, I have discussed each of the points you\'ve raised so many times already on this and other forums (including with you I believe) that I really don\'t won\'t to go there right now (just too much to cover in one thread IMO! ;)).
But if you like, I can post some of the threads where I\'ve commented on the same points you\'ve raised (it\'s a shame that many posts don\'t appear to be here on this temporary server though :().
If you like, I\'ll search the forums and post the links here. :)
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