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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: CelliCeL on April 13, 2001, 06:17:13 PM
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why the hell alre the character models the same as in DOA2:HC on ps2. And whats up with the jaggies? ..Sure it looks great, but ps2 can do it and it can do better ! ;)
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Don\'t bother with those. Use the non-compressed shots from http://cgi.gaming-age.com/gaming/news/news.pl?y=2001&m=4&nid=13-77.db. The GameSpot ones are awful in comparison.
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This is my whole hearted, honest opinion, I even went to ho3j\'s link, but I looked at those pics over and over. I swear that they are the same graphics as DOA2: HC, so I hate this stereotype that X-box\'s graphics will blow out PS2\'s, because honestly it aint true and it makes me sick. When Gamecube blows out X-box in sales, I will be laughing at everyone who though X-box will reign over all.
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PS2 can do better than this? I doubt it... as good, probably, but not better.
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
When Gamecube blows out X-box in sales, I will be laughing at everyone who though X-box will reign over all.
Hello my Psychic friend! Tell me more! .... :rolleyes:
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PS2 can do better than this? I doubt it... as good, probably, but not better.
I think you\'re out of your mind. I\'m sure both X-box and PS2 can both do better than that. I don\'t see why you\'d think the PS2 can\'t. That looks like a minor step up from DOA2. IMO, the shots of VF4 look better. So if the game ends up looking like that on PS2...
I honestly expected more from Tecmo, DOA2 has amazing graphics and I expected DOA3 to be a huge leap.
- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?
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who cares it\'s not even running on the final hardware, plus that demo was made in only one month. GIve them final dev kits, and at least 8 moths to work on the game. SO in other words wait till the game comes out, then you can judge!!!!!!
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Originally posted by datamage
IMO, the shots of VF4 look better.
Really? Totally have to disagree with you. Have you watched the movie of DOA3? The two look to me like they are on an very different level of graphic quality.
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While I certainly think the PS2 will be doing graphics like you see in DOA3 but I doubt it within a year (DOA3 is an Xbox launch title). I am not saying something idiotic like the Xbox puts the PS2 to shame but that the difference is apparent. Also... of those 3 shots I would have to say DOA: HC is the weakest and the DOA3 is certainly a leap, especially when you consider we are only talking two different console, not two different generations.
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ho3j, I\'m not going to argue about the DOA3 pics looking the best (it\'s very obvious :)), but I have to disagree with you when you said that DOA2:HC and DOA3 are on the same generation. DOA2:HC was released in October (the development started probably sometime around January of last year). DOA3 will be released around this October. I don\'t know what your definition a "generation" is, but I think one year apart is definately a different generation. I don\'t think it\'s fair to compare DOA2:HC to DOA3 because DOA3 is one year newer than DOA2:HC. And I also don\'t think it\'s fair to compare an arcade version of VF4 to the Xbox\'s DOA3. Let\'s wait for some PS2 pics of VF4 (and maybe even Tekken 4 or Soul Calibur 2 :)), then we can compare games that are on the same generation against each other.
BTW, that pic you posted of DOA2:HC is awful. I chose a random pic from IGN and it looks a lot better. This just shows that DOA2:HC doesn\'t look that bad:
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Originally posted by datamage
I honestly expected more from Tecmo, DOA2 has amazing graphics and I expected DOA3 to be a huge leap.
Why? Its a 128bit system, and PS2 (and DC) are 128 bit systems. You wont see the leap between DoA1 and 2 until the next generation of systems comes around, or unless Tecmo waited til a few years into the systems life.
And yes, I\'m sure PS2 is going to exceed those graphics eventually, I meant in the near future. I could have been clearer.
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Originally posted by IronFist
ho3j, I\'m not going to argue about the DOA3 pics looking the best (it\'s very obvious :)), but I have to disagree with you when you said that DOA2:HC and DOA3 are on the same generation. DOA2:HC was released in October (the development started probably sometime around January of last year). DOA3 will be released around this October. I don\'t know what your definition a "generation" is, but I think one year apart is definately a different generation. I don\'t think it\'s fair to compare DOA2:HC to DOA3 because DOA3 is one year newer than DOA2:HC. And I also don\'t think it\'s fair to compare an arcade version of VF4 to the Xbox\'s DOA3. Let\'s wait for some PS2 pics of VF4 (and maybe even Tekken 4 or Soul Calibur 2 :)), then we can compare games that are on the same generation against each other.
BTW, that pic you posted of DOA2:HC is awful. I chose a random pic from IGN and it looks a lot better. This just shows that DOA2:HC doesn\'t look that bad:
I see your problem. I was talking about generations of hardware, not software. I don\'t think it is fair to compare the two either (yes, your pic is light years better, I just choose the first one with females in the title and a date near its release date) but he said there was not a big diference. As for VF4, it shows how much I know; I hadn\'t realised those were not PS2. :) Although I must say it is very cool that we are waiting for the console version to see better graphics!
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Those are some really cool looking shots. Just too bad graphics or busty ladies can\'t lure me to the DoA world. Yuck, Hawkey dislikes.
I thought DoA2 on the PS2 looked quite bad. It\'s the only game I\'ve seen where jaggies are a real problem. (there\'s not DoA2 : HC here in Finland, why? We got the honour of a receiving a crappier version?) And the character models were partly quite lame; in a close up, you could VERY clearly see the triangles shaping one dude\'s shoulder. The lighting dancing on that rough surface looked so bad. + several other annoying niggles. I\'m not downing the game because of the graphics, really. I hate the game itself, Tekken for me, thank you. TTT looks heaps better IMO. Alas, no interactive backgrounds... but there\'s always T4.
Right now those shots look better than any fighting game on any system that I\'ve seen. Well, I\'m not counting in VF4 yet, since it\'s only on Naomi at the moment.
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The Graphics is really good but personally I don\'t like the game-play of DOA....I still prefer Tekken 2 instead of DOA2 HC...and I think things won\'t change for me with DOA3 !
I Want something New ! ...and I\'m confident that Tekken 4 will be the First Beat\'em\'up with True Next Generation Graphics and Game-Play !
So if you like making comparisons...wait until the E3 where Namco will show TWO NEW CREATURES :D
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Personally I find the graphics amazing(Nothing the PS2 cant do).The character in the first two pics looks grea.But in the others the characters look just like DOA2.Perhaps its the lighting effects.
The stages look pretty detailed and realistic though especially the one in the beach.The sea looks real.
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Hey isnt that Lions fighting style?(VF)
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Hmm..
Compare TTT to DoA3. (cuz TTT looks better than DoA2 IMO)
Not a huge leap if you ask me.
When DoA3 is out TTT is almost 2 years old.
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Cant wait for E3! I hope Namco will show us Tekken 4 :)
DoA2 and DoA3 almost look the same.
But DoA3 has better looking backgrounds. :)
VF4 is still the best looking fighter IMO!
And we havent even seen it running on PS2 hardware :D
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I think Tekken 4 will blow every other fighter out of the water at E3!
Both in graphics and gameplay :)
I rememberd when I first saw Tekken 3! I thought it looked amazing, and I still do :)
Perhaps Tekken 4 will have the same impact :)
And just like Hawk, I also hate DoA gamez. ;)
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There are chances of Namco showing T4 THIS E3?
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Unicron: I sure hope they show T4!
They gotta show something cuz they are loosing money :(
They are in economical problems.
I got a feeling Sony is helping them develop the new games :)
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Hey everyone is entitled to their opinion. (How many times have I said that?) .. IMO DOA3 is not that impressive. It doesn\'t look bad @ all... but I did expect more. Perhaps I\'m just used to seeing great graphics as of late and nothing really blows me away. I also think VF4 looks better than DOA3. Not in shots, but after seeing both of them in motion (in a movie of course).
- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?
(for the record, when I played MGS2 I wasn\'t blown away like I thought I would be.)
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Hey isnt that Lions fighting style?(VF)
Sure is. Looks like Tecmo had to borrow an idea from SEGA. :D
- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?
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All those screens look sweet.
Waves shot = Drool !
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Originally posted by ho3j
I see your problem. I was talking about generations of hardware, not software. I don\'t think it is fair to compare the two either (yes, your pic is light years better, I just choose the first one with females in the title and a date near its release date) but he said there was not a big diference. As for VF4, it shows how much I know; I hadn\'t realised those were not PS2. :) Although I must say it is very cool that we are waiting for the console version to see better graphics!
Oh, I see. It was just a little misunderstanding on both our parts. :) This E3 is when the real goods will be shown by both Sony and Microsoft, so we should wait until then before comparing these kinds of things.
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I would like to appologize to everyone here I offended. I am such a lifeless jackass and I have so little if no clue at all.
Please forgive me
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Umm where did you get that info?
It was at about 50% last I heard.
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Originally posted by nO-One
Umm where did you get that info?
It was at about 50% last I heard.
If Sony creates a Performance Analyzer for the PS2 that number might change into a 20-35%.
A Performance Analyzer is very important if developers want to know how much from the console\'s capabilities they use.
Gran Turismo was one of the games that used it.And we al know the results.
BTW 93%??Thats BS.
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Sorry for being so ignorant ;)
But what was the results for GT3?
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Originally posted by ps2hahaha
You people dont realize PS2 is tapped out at 93% of its performance capabilities.HAHAHAHA! 1st gen.Xbox titles are looking better than 2nd gen PS2 titles.
Your a Damn Fool !
The PS2\'s Capabilites are just starting to be used !
And if you beleve that developers have found everything that they can do to a PS2 then your are SADLY MISTAKEN !
Please Please do this Forum a FAVour and think before you leave the comfort of that bride that you live under.
PS2hahaha= Sad Troll with no life :D.
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Originally posted by ps2hahaha
I don\'t know for a fact that this is an EA employee or not.. I\'m just believing he is and everything he posted in so funny."
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Here we go again. Ced, I don\'t get it - you fully support 989 1000% for years. Last fall, you see what truly TERRIBLE products the 989 sports series turned out to be on the PS2, and you then immediately state you are in love with "beautiful football" with Madden. Now you are back touting 989 again???
Why would you possibly think that Sony will be THAT MUCH better for 2K2 series? Why??? I look at your "poll" about these so-called "features" of PS2 football games. You\'ve gotta be KIDDING ME! Ability to change facemask & chin strap color? Switch broadcasting teams? Players conversing with each other in complete sentences??? National online tournaments & rankings??
Where do you live, Ced, fantasyland??? How in the world will 989 improve their game to the level you expect, AND add all the ridiculous eye-candy you ask for??? Look, I work in this field, and I constantly cruise fan sites for user reactions. I\'m a programmer for a nationally-renowed game company in their sports game division (can\'t say which one, of course, but we\'ve already had success on the PS2) and I KNOW the kind of work (pain more likely!) it would take to make all these features you dream about and still have respectible game play.
Ced, I admire your passion for football games, and I\'ve been observing this site for a few years now, although I\'ve never posted a message. It\'s a great thing, video football, and I\'m blessed to be part of the business. However, I think that this is what\'s wrong with videogame fan websites in general - you pump up and pump up, over and over, next year\'s games, and you set unrealistic expectations because you don\'t understand the logistics of programming. Trust me, we are no where near the level you are expecting with the PS2, and judging on 989\'s efforts (re: lazy programming - trust me on that), you are headed for major diappointment - again. I also wouldn\'t get too excited about online play, either, unless Sony pulls an absolute miracle. Let me tell you, we as a team are all still envious what VC was able to accomplish on low bandwidth with their 2K series on the DC. You have no idea how difficult that is, especially with a 56K connection (ALL with less-than-ideal connections, too).
Look Ced, and I tell you this from the heart - The PS2 is, by far, the toughest platform we\'ve ever had to deal with, and I would guess we spent at least 4X as much energy and time in our first release last fall, and even though we had the PS2 kits for nearly 18 months our entire team was nearly tapped out.
One more thing - wait until you see what we CAN do with an Xbox! Talk about easy. What a dream of a rig to program for. I hope we can show the world what we\'ve done so far with this thing, and I hope we can "show off" at E3. You won\'t believe it. You know the footage of Fever the big M is showing? That\'s nothing compared to what we already have. And we\'re still not working with 100% hardware power (not until end of May)!
It\'s not so much the graphics, memory, processor and general archatecture that\'s great about it, it\'s also the EASE in what we accomplish that makes it an amazing setup. It\'s scary what that machine is capable of. The programming world is absolutely ABUZZ about it\'s future, and if you check out some of the popular programmer newsgroups you\'d see that the XBox is our hero right now.
I know you will probably doubt what I\'ve told you, and I\'ll remain anonymous for obvious reasons. All I can say is, please, don\'t set yourself up for such a fall. I can easily say there is NO WAY, absolutely NO CHANCE, that you will see any more than 2-3 features you pine for next fall. My advice? Just try to enjoy the Madden series for now, then next fall when these brand new games actually are final-coded and burned (which we just heard WILL include the Sega Sports line for the Xbo, then decide which one is best.
This was from a developer on a forum,I dont have the link.
Yeah its the real proof:rolleyes:
You are a dumbass, and Xbox can push 130 frames per second, and that is something that PS2 can not even touch. 60fps Vs. 130fps. Personally i think that DOA3 will look its best on Xbox, and no other console.
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Originally posted by fastson
Sorry for being so ignorant ;)
But what was the results for GT3?
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Nobody knows.Except if a Performance Analyzer exists for the PS2 then Polyphony knows.
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Originally posted by ps2hahaha
You people dont realize PS2 is tapped out at 93% of its performance capabilities.HAHAHAHA! 1st gen.Xbox titles are looking better than 2nd gen PS2 titles.
Oh no. Not another one. :rolleyes:
How can the PS2 using 93% of it\'s power when most developers don\'t even know how to use it yet? :)
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Originally posted by ps2hahaha
You people dont realize PS2 is tapped out at 93% of its performance capabilities.HAHAHAHA! 1st gen.Xbox titles are looking better than 2nd gen PS2 titles.
The first Tekken pushed the PSX at 30%...and it\'s easy to develop for...no further words...
I think we have enough X-Trolls here...we don\'t need another one :D
Tekken 4 will blow DOA3 away in Graphics and GamePlay and all the little x-trolls will start to cry hysterically! :crying: :D
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Originally posted by BizioEE
The first Tekken pushed the PSX at 30%...and it\'s easy to develop for...no further words...
I think we have enough X-Trolls here...we don\'t need another one :D
Tekken 4 will blow DOA3 away in Graphics and GamePlay and all the little x-trolls will start to cry hysterically! :crying: :D
Tekken pushed it less than 30%.Tekken2 pushed the PS to 30%.Except if you ment Tekken2.
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PS2 hasn\'t even come close to touching half power, yet.
I guess when Test Drive: Le Mans came out, it was using 135% of Dreamcasts power :rollseyes:
Eric Jacob
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OK, thanks Unicron! :)
Think about it, TTT prob. use 20% of PS2s power :)
Compare Tekken to Tekken 3!
YUMMYYYYYY!! :D :D :D
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Originally posted by ps2hahaha
"How can the PS2 using 93% of it\'s power when most developers don\'t even know how to use it yet?"
Hey Ironfist you just shot yourself in the foot.HEHEHE good one.
I ll fix it:)
How can the PS2 using 93% of it\'s power when most developers don\'t even know how to use it yet?IMAGINE WHEN THEY GET USED TO IT.WE WILL BE SEEING GAMES WITH SOME OF THE BEST GRAPHICS EVER.
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I remember reading that TTT used less than 50%... of the power of the main CPU, not including the Vector units. And TTT is one of the prettiest games I\'ve seen, so there\'re sure to be some real corcers heading our way in the near future.
The man with the IQ of a turnip
"How can the PS2 using 93% of it\'s power when most developers don\'t even know how to use it yet?"
Hey Ironfist you just shot yourself in the foot.HEHEHE good one.
How is he shooting his foot there? Looks more like that was aimed at your head.
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I agree with Hawk..
TTT is one of the best looking games I\'ve seen :D
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Originally posted by fastson
I agree with Hawk..
TTT is one of the best looking games I\'ve seen :D
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You must not play many games then. TTT looks like an enhanced T3. DoA2 looks better than TTT any day.
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Thank you Unicron and Hawke. Man, Xbox fanboys will turn anything you say against you.
PS2hahaha, what I was implying, and what the non-Xbox fanboys got from it was that if the developers are still learning how to use the PS2, just think of how cool games are going to start looking once they fully understand it.
And Ethugg, they said it\'s one of the best games they\'ve seen, not the best. I agree that DOA2:HC has better all around graphics, but TTT is still really nice to look at (and TTT has way better floor textures :p :D).
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Originally posted by IronFist
(and TTT has way better floor textures :p :D).
The standard by which all games should be measured. ;)
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You know what\'s both funny and scary at the same time? Well, Tecmo PORTED this DEMO over in TWO MONTHS and it looks spectacular. What\'s even more funny is that people actually think that the FINAL GAME won\'t look ALOT BETTER than a DEMO produced in TWO MONTHS on UNFINISHED HARDWARE. Funny and scary, eh? I can\'t wait to see what the final product looks like.
:D
Oh yeah, and TTT really looks better...shyeah right! I own the game and played it inside and out and it still looks like a high-poly Tekken 3.
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I think it\'s a bit of a problem that we don\'t have final Xbox shots yet. People compare screens based on what\'s out (i.e. from dev. kits and demos) and that\'s not fair for either part. All it does is bring fights. :)
Let\'s wait for final screens.... I must say, I think Xbox will be quite spetacular (noo, don\'t hurt me just yet ;)).
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The orge stage floor looks bump mapped and the Jin stage floor texture is amazing :)
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Originally posted by Metal_Gear_Ray
The orge stage floor looks bump mapped and the Jin stage floor texture is amazing :)
Too bad they didn\'t bother to actually have the backgrounds and the ground in sync with each other.
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Oh come on, TTT was a quik arcade port, and looked great. They used the old engine from the system 11 board (please do correct me if I\'m wrong). T4 should be something to really gawp at if they really try to do their best and build the game ground up for the PS2. Now that they\'re building the arcade version on what is basically a PS2 (System 246), they can really concentrate on making the game and not porting it over different formats.
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hey used the old engine from the system 11 board (please do correct me if I\'m wrong).
Sure. ;) System 12. hehe.
Anyway, I think ppl are too hard on Tekken. It\'s just a port with enhanced gfx, not an original game. What\'s the big deal?
- dm
- so whose god will f\'cking save me now?
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I always hear from people that DOA2 looks better than TTT.Well I am still trying to make myself see DOA2 as a better game graphically.But I always find TTT\'s graphics better.I dont know why.
I compare the character models.
In TTT characters seem to be made out of more polygons and textures.Even their muscles look better IMO.The character textures look plainer in DOA2.Also the lighting effects are displayied differently in each part of the character in TTT according to the material.
For example Howarang\'s main costume has different lighting effects from his other costumes giving the impression of the material it is made of(silk for instance) while DOA2 has identical display of lighting effects in every part of the body.
Also hair have different lighting effects some giving a plastic look others giving a more realistic look.
Each hair looks as if it was drawn separetely in TTT while in DOA2 its polygons.Hair movement is more realistic in TTT.
In TTT expressions are again more realistic.
Thats how I see TTT\'s graphics.HEY I AM NOT BLIND!!:)
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I never really liked the graphics in DoA2!
They look good but I think they are abit "kiddie"!
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Originally posted by Hawke
Oh come on, TTT was a quik arcade port, and looked great. They used the old engine from the system 11 board (please do correct me if I\'m wrong). T4 should be something to really gawp at if they really try to do their best and build the game ground up for the PS2. Now that they\'re building the arcade version on what is basically a PS2 (System 246), they can really concentrate on making the game and not porting it over different formats.
System 12 is the arcade board.But it wasnt developed on PS2 completely with System12 in mind.
Soul Calibur on the other hand on the DC was a port from System 12(some other information say its system 23) but with small enhancements(it was like adding a 3D card in the arcade board).