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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: ElAsesino on April 17, 2001, 05:37:31 PM
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Strengths:
1)Most Powerful Console
2)Wealthiest
3)HD and BB out of the box/ Only supports BB
4)Good 3rd Party Support
5)Bridges PC and Console
Weaknesses:
1)Considered to be a computer.
2)No/Not Many Blockbuster 1st Party Games
3)Can\'t Survive Without 3rd Parties
4)BB isn\'t Popular/Only Supports BB
5)No "Kiddy" Demographic
6)Has to fight PS2 directly for market share
(NOTE: This is all from information that has been shown or released.)
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Like I said in the NGC topic, you can\'t fairly say that the Xbox is the most powerful.
What do you mean by wealthiest? Do you mean Microsoft has more money than Sony and Nintendo? If that\'s what you mean, you\'re wrong. Sony has a lot more money and is worth a lot more than Microsoft.
The 3rd party support is good, but I don\'t think it\'s good enough. They need more games that Japanese gamers want, or the Xbox will have a hard time surviving.
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Very constructive topic, strength and weakness.
Most console advocates only portrait weakness against \'enemy\' consoles.
I would like to add that Xbox would have the most number of PC developers support compare to ps2.That does not mean to be a bad thing because this will position Xbox different from the rest, although Bill Gates deny xbox is not a pc, it is certainly the console of choice for PC developers.
I would like to see Ultima next generation appearing on the xbox console.
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IMO xbox has more strengths than GC, xbox will really shine at online gameing (pc shooters mostly :)) and i think all the BS talk about xbox being a computer will die down after e3
DC has pc games, ps2 will have them so will xbox who cares ?? thats a good thing, it mean that you dont have to buy a new pc every year. The only console that will have less pc games is GC, but thats because it is directed the the younger audience
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Originally posted by ElAsesino
Weaknesses:
2)No/Not Many Blockbuster 1st Party Games
3)Can\'t Survive Without 3rd Parties
(NOTE: This is all from information that has been shown or released.)
Same could have been said about sony 7 years ago *fark its been long#.
Sega had the games, that could surive alone with. Sony had to rely on 3rd parties to do the job.
Microsoft is doing what sony did back then. And they love the machine as they did with the ps1.
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XB has weaknesses? j/k :p
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Ever so watchful for the oportunity to slip in a "BORG" joke, Id just like to say:
YOU WILL ALL BE ASSIMILATED
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!
:D
With that said and done, I\'d just like to express the opinion that any judgement as to the state of 1st party potential, or any kind of potential, with regards to this matter is presently premature. E3 will make these assumptions much more concrete and the final verdict may only be passed once the machine is launched.
But not to leave you with nothing to discuss, give a thought to the Xbox\'s bulit in Ethernet Adapter and HDD. The PS2 is considerably neutered in that department, and Sony will be hard pressed to correct this. Its doubtful that any PS2 perephirals of the kind will be mainstream enough for PS2 devs to be able to use it to its full potential........
How would the PS2 counter such a threat?
Slash the prices already so I can get me one!!!!
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Nevar!! Avatarr..You will pay ful price like the rest of us!!! BWahahahahahahaha!!!! ;)
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Ah Cygus, with that statement, you strike my heart with the sharp dagger of dispair. Your insensitivity has failed to recognise that present Australian prices are $US450 and are only just beginning to fall to the fairer $US350. Predictions set Christmas levels squarely on that level and no less. Should I buy one then, I\'ll effectively be paying $US50 more than u STUPID YANKS.
Further unbalancing international pricing, it is entirely possible that US Christmas prices would fall in tandem with the rest of the world. So any STUPID YANK buying a PS2 unit in that time frame will be paying even less than their fellow countrymen, who bought one just a few months before! Aarrgghhh!! Life just isn\'t fair.
Ah whell, @ least I still get me free Xbox. :D Of course, a nice juicy FREE PS2 would be just as welcome. Sympathetic souls are encouraged to be generous. :) But if there are no such people in here, mebbe my nana or aunty will be more intuative than they already are and buy me a brand new PS2, complete with TTT, Doa2:HC and MGS2. Such a christmas would be just magic. :spark: :cute:
*and just think of STUPID as LUCKY, :) The seemingly offensive word is just there to keep other Aussies from being offended. And they obviously live a lot closer to my house than u STUPID YANKS!* :p
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Kick!
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errr, this is hardly the apropriate place, but heck..
*PUNCH!!
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Originally posted by IronFist
What do you mean by wealthiest? Do you mean Microsoft has more money than Sony and Nintendo? If that\'s what you mean, you\'re wrong. Sony has a lot more money and is worth a lot more than Microsoft.
Are you inherently dumb? Microsoft has $27 BILLION in cash lying around. Its market cap. is around $380 BILLION and its annual earnings is around $6 BILLION DOLLARS (thats called PROFIT folks, NOT REVENUE)... on the contrary, Sony LOST MONEY last year, this year expects to earn $130 million and expects earnings to reach $1-2 billion in three years. Its market cap is $70 billion.
And you are telling me that MS is NOT richer? Sony has less than $3 billion stockpiled. Nintendo is in far worse shape than Sony.
Learn finance before posting topics like this. For your info, MS\'s ticker is MSFT and Sony\'s ADR ticker is SNE. Check it out for yourself. Then realize that MS is a PROFIT MACHINE. It can afford to BUY OUT SONY AND PAY MOST OF IT IN CASH!!!
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Originally posted by TheMistaWhoKnow
Are you inherently dumb? Microsoft has $27 BILLION in cash lying around. Its market cap. is around $380 BILLION and its annual earnings is around $6 BILLION DOLLARS (thats called PROFIT folks, NOT REVENUE)... on the contrary, Sony LOST MONEY last year, this year expects to earn $130 million and expects earnings to reach $1-2 billion in three years. Its market cap is $70 billion.
And you are telling me that MS is NOT richer? Sony has less than $3 billion stockpiled. Nintendo is in far worse shape than Sony.
Learn finance before posting topics like this. For your info, MS\'s ticker is MSFT and Sony\'s ADR ticker is SNE. Check it out for yourself. Then realize that MS is a PROFIT MACHINE. It can afford to BUY OUT SONY AND PAY MOST OF IT IN CASH!!!
Actually you just made yourself the fool
SOny has lots of assets is already making a profit on the PS2 and MS couldn\'t come close to buying out Sony
You should educate yourself some.
Here ya go the Global 500
http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?channel=list.jhtml&list_frag=list_global500.jhtml&list=10&_requestid=41343
please look at #30 on the list its Sony with $60,052.7 million in revenues
2000 Sales (mil.): $63,082
1-Yr. Sales Growth: 10.5%
2000 Net Inc. (mil.): $1,149
1-Yr. Net Inc. Growth: (23.6%)
2000 Employees: 189,700
1-Yr. Employee Growth: 7.2%
now lets look at Microsoft #216 on the list with $19,747.0 million in revenues
Fiscal Year-End: June
2000 Sales (mil.): $22,956
1-Yr. Sales Growth: 16.3%
2000 Net Inc. (mil.): $9,421
1-Yr. Net Inc. Growth: 21.0%
2000 Employees: 39,100
1-Yr. Employee Growth: 24.5%
MS does bring in more profit but nothing Sony couldn\'t access 3 times over.
Obviously Microsoft could only buy maybe 1/3 of Sony
Sony had profit losses last year but are already showing profits this year. MS hasn\'t even sold a single XBox yet.
step aside son
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Are you yourself a dumb ass?
Do you know what the hell global 500 measures? Are you aware that there are several different top 500s out there, each measuring different aspects of a company (ie, revenue, earnings, employees, etc).
In case you don\'t know... REVENUE != VALUATION OF A COMPANY!! And that means DOES NOT EQUAL. Where the hell did you go to school?
Sony\'s revenue is higher because the goods it sells has high costs involved, and hence it sells for a high price. In your scenario, GM would be the highest valued company in the world. Is that the case? No.
Why? Because cars cost a lot of money to build, so the price is high and the revenue is high as well. Your stupid claim means that GM is in such good shape that it could beat Sony AND Microsoft several times over. Why is that not the case? Because the margins are a lot lower, and investors don\'t care what you make, as long as you turn a profit. THAT is what determines the value of a comapny.
You are so stupid. DO YOU REMOTELY THINK THAT THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES A COMPANY HAS OR THE REVENUE IT GENERATES DETERMINS ITS VALUE???
It is called MARKET CAPITILIZATION. NOT REVENUE. If you haven\'t read your econ book, when a company accquires another company, it does so based on market capitilization. Microsoft\'s market capitlization is 370 BILLION dollars. That means that investors think Microsoft is worth 370 BILLION dollars. Sony\'s market capitilization is 70 billion dollars. That means that investors think it is worth 70 billions dollars.
So if you didn\'t learn first grade math and don\'t realize that 370 billion is worth more than 70 billion, I don\'t know what is up your ass.
If you still think that Microsoft can only buy "maybe" 1/3 of Sony based on your "findings", I invite you to look at
recent high profile acquisitions:
AOL & Time Warner: AOL acquired Time Warner. Who had more revenues? Time Warner. Who had more employees? Time Warner. Under your mentality, AOL could never have bought time Warner, but what happend? The investors weren\'t dumb like you. They realized that high revenues doesn\'t equate the value of a company, and that its stock price does (hence, the existence of the stock market). AOL was valued higher by investors than Time Warner, hence it could buy Time Warner.
Worldcom & MCI: Worldcom, a smaller telecom provider than MCI, purchased MCI in 1999. Worldcom had less revenue, yet was valued higher, hence the purchase (and subsequent name change to MCI Worldcom and now just Worldcom).
Stop wasiting my time because of your lack of a proper education.
And next time, don\'t call me son bitch. I ain\'t your son and you aren\'t older than me.
Originally posted by ddaryl
Actually you just made yourself the fool
SOny has lots of assets is already making a profit on the PS2 and MS couldn\'t come close to buying out Sony
You should educate yourself some.
Here ya go the Global 500
http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?channel=list.jhtml&list_frag=list_global500.jhtml&list=10&_requestid=41343
please look at #30 on the list its Sony with $60,052.7 million in revenues
2000 Sales (mil.): $63,082
1-Yr. Sales Growth: 10.5%
2000 Net Inc. (mil.): $1,149
1-Yr. Net Inc. Growth: (23.6%)
2000 Employees: 189,700
1-Yr. Employee Growth: 7.2%
now lets look at Microsoft #216 on the list with $19,747.0 million in revenues
Fiscal Year-End: June
2000 Sales (mil.): $22,956
1-Yr. Sales Growth: 16.3%
2000 Net Inc. (mil.): $9,421
1-Yr. Net Inc. Growth: 21.0%
2000 Employees: 39,100
1-Yr. Employee Growth: 24.5%
MS does bring in more profit but nothing Sony couldn\'t access 3 times over.
Obviously Microsoft could only buy maybe 1/3 of Sony
Sony had profit losses last year but are already showing profits this year. MS hasn\'t even sold a single XBox yet.
step aside son
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chill down, will ya!!!
for gods sake, who cares about a company making money, you\'re supposed to talk about consoles in here ya know!
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for heaven\'s sake man, we all get that feeling ya know. What I have(or want to have), everyone should want. Frankly, I do not want an X-Box because it does not meet my qualifications like the PS2 does. So what, Sony is richer, and makes more money than MS, it\'s a fact. MS is at 211(i think), maybe because less and less people like their software. You may not realize but windows is probably the worst OS\'s out there, hmmm, ya know how much fricken space the OS takes up itself. Have you realized that over the years Windows has gotten more and more like macontosh OS? I do, no joke, MS does not make great software. Everyone has this stereotype about MS being the holy software developer, and getting anything else would be blasphemy. Why do I use windows? I have no choice, this is were MS is making it\'s money, what choice do I have. If I switch to linux, I\'ll have no software to put on(virtually). MS had no competition at the time windows came out and that is why MS is where it is, had Linux been out at the time, Linux would be at the top. Bill Gates knows what he\'s doing, and I think that\'s what is scaring Sony and Nintendo fans around the world.
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Financial information..... turning.... brain.... to mush...... AAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
:D
Seriously, what\'s the big deal which company is richer? Both companies have enough money to back up their systems, and after DCs cancellation, I\'m happy enough with that.