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Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Kenny--73 on April 18, 2001, 06:14:10 AM
After looking at some new pics of FFX, I just realized that the ps2 has come a long way in a very short time.  FFX looks like it can actually compete against the visuals we all saw in the Zelda demo.  Even though the Zelda demo is a....demo, I decided to get some pics and see what they look like side by side.


(All FFX pics are real time)

Zelda
  (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nintendoweb.com%2Fmedia%2Fzelda%2Fzelda005.jpg&hash=32a64d64f0a163858502511a3f19951f8c7364eb)  


FFX
  (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.dailyradar.com%2Fimages%2Fsony%2Fffxshots%2F0417final13.jpg&hash=d067eb7b75d3f9609da17199a3b1d784484e68df)  


Zelda
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FFX
  (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.dailyradar.com%2Fimages%2Fsony%2Fffxshots%2F0417final14.jpg&hash=681ad062f3594aba150239d788e5415bfde63cd0)  

 

How about some lighting effects.

Zelda
 (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcubemedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Fzelda%2Fzeldademo%2Fzdemo9.jpg&hash=609f6e7bc7d5ad660aa0e5482107efc19b8467e8)
FFX
 (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.dailyradar.com%2Fimages%2Fsony%2Fffxshots%2F0417final5.jpg&hash=cb181eb36f57c62f098a7d384a7bc61e0a5bf944)

When they first showed those Zelda pics, I thought nothing the ps2 has could ever come close.  But, this pics obviously prove otherwise.  I don\'t think the FFX pics are better, but it does show where the ps2 is headed. :cool:
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Waspman on April 18, 2001, 06:24:29 AM
Interesting comparison Kenny73, i would like to see Zelda maintain that smoothness in a brightly lit environment like the 2nd FFX pic.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: CygnusXI on April 18, 2001, 06:27:13 AM
Good point. I think you are right:)
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Samwise on April 18, 2001, 07:33:25 AM
The darkness can hide a lot.... it\'s harder to make things look good in brightness.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: soundifound on April 18, 2001, 07:44:34 AM
I like the FFX pics better.  I especially like the second FFX pic.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: on April 18, 2001, 08:50:05 AM
Squaresoft really did a great job at FFX. loved the use of vibrant colors and incredible special effects during spells.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: RichG on April 18, 2001, 09:01:53 AM
I actually prefer the FFX pics too, I dunno why they just look really cool.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: fastson on April 18, 2001, 10:17:05 AM
Hmmm..

FFX looks much better IMO.
Even though Zelda is a demo.

Way to go Square!

/FAST
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: pstwo on April 18, 2001, 10:43:11 AM
PS2 hardware have a lot to unfold.  But I think the Zelda screenshots looks better even in the dark.  Hey,  that is Jumpman in the first picture!   :D
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: fastson on April 18, 2001, 11:02:32 AM
Hmm..

Isnt GC a texture monster??

How come PS2 textures in FF10 look better than those in Zelda?
And when was the last time the Zelda dude washed his hair??

LOL!

/FAST
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: BizioEE on April 18, 2001, 11:04:39 AM
PS2 is still in its infancy...I think FFXII will make us cry out : ""It\'s a Miracle!!!""

...however both FFX and Zelda look awesome !!!
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: nO-One on April 18, 2001, 11:18:41 AM
They both look great.
And the graphical gap is closing,the PS.2 is finally starting to show it abilities.
The only thing that has bothered me since the GC demo pics were first released is that Link has those stupid chunks of hairs,one might think the guy never washes it :D
And look at his ears........wannabe Vulcan (coming from a Trekkie)
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Bozco on April 18, 2001, 11:22:38 AM
they both look nice but you all know which is going to be better
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Sublimesjg on April 18, 2001, 11:38:42 AM
well i don\'t know

when i really look at the first 2 pics and compare them

you see all the deatil in Gannon armor and there really isn\'t that much stuff on the Blue guy also in the FFX the backgrounds look a little weak when compared

but alas this is only a demo of Zelda so you can\'t really say thats what it will look like
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: jm on April 18, 2001, 12:15:58 PM
I\'m not impressed at all nor convinced about the theory about the graphical gap closing. Today\'s graphics has yet accomplished itself to raise the bar futher (video card wise). We have yet to see games run in 1280x1024x32 using ray-traced graphics. For kiddies who don\'t know how intensive this method is, this requires the thing called a video card pushing 800 million triangles per second. A perfect example is Toy Story. That movie was rendered by tens if not hundreds of thousands of PC\'s networked for hours rendering the movie. Plus, another bottleneck in today\'s graphics lie on the partiner, the CPU. Ray-traced graphics are ultra Floating-Point sensitive, so your gonna need more than a shiny new P4, and more ram.

But yes, games has come a long way since the PSX and DC. Why I forgot the N64? Did N64 really accomplish anything other than compressed textures and texture memory of 1MB? Maybe the new Zelda, a Mario and some Pokemon that looked nothing worth promising. Well maybe Mario and Zelda for a moment, but after 3 months it became apparent the new games looked like ass due to its texture memory.

jm
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Phil on April 18, 2001, 12:33:50 PM
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Originally posted by jm
I\'m not impressed at all nor convinced about the theory about the graphical gap closing. Today\'s graphics has yet accomplished itself to raise the bar futher (video card wise). We have yet to see games run in 1280x1024x32 using ray-traced graphics. For kiddies who don\'t know how intensive this method is, this requires the thing called a video card pushing 800 million triangles per second. A perfect example is Toy Story. That movie was rendered by tens if not hundreds of thousands of PC\'s networked for hours rendering the movie. Plus, another bottleneck in today\'s graphics lie on the partiner, the CPU. Ray-traced graphics are ultra Floating-Point sensitive, so your gonna need more than a shiny new P4, and more ram.

But yes, games has come a long way since the PSX and DC. Why I forgot the N64? Did N64 really accomplish anything other than compressed textures and texture memory of 1MB? Maybe the new Zelda, a Mario and some Pokemon that looked nothing worth promising. Well maybe Mario and Zelda for a moment, but after 3 months it became apparent the new games looked like ass due to its texture memory.

jm


woah, we are just saying the gap between the systems.  You may be taking one step to far by comparing a game to Toy Story which did take quite a few years to make and something that a true monster of a system would only be able to handle(Imagine the price?).  Yes, your right the graphics have yet to take leaps but its not like they have not made any progress.
And yes i am impressed on the graphics of both games.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Unicron! on April 18, 2001, 02:35:38 PM
If you check Zelda\'s demo in motion there isnt much movement either.When I first saw it I thought the backrounds were prerendered for a while(because of lack of backround movement).
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: rastalant on April 18, 2001, 02:39:14 PM
I think the FF10 screenshot look better even the textures are better on FF10.  The only pic that look as good as the ff10 is the ganon(what\'s up with him having black nails now?!?!?!).
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Ginko on April 18, 2001, 02:41:38 PM
You also have to remember that FFX is nearing completion.  Zelda is over a year away, that was also a demo on incomplete hardware.  


Either way, both set of pics impress...
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Unicron! on April 18, 2001, 02:43:17 PM
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.dailyradar.com%2Fimages%2Fsony%2Fffxshots%2F0417final13.jpg&hash=d067eb7b75d3f9609da17199a3b1d784484e68df)

Hey the grass looks as if it was taken from one of Vagrant Story\'s first real time sequences.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: rastalant on April 18, 2001, 02:51:36 PM
Speaking of Vargent Story do you think there any chance a sequel of it would come out on ps2??
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: rastalant on April 18, 2001, 02:54:50 PM
Isnt GC a texture monster??

"How come PS2 textures in FF10 look better than those in Zelda?
And when was the last time the Zelda dude washed his hair?? "

That what I\'m saying!!!!!!!!  The so-called "texturezilla" system get out done by ps2 with textures!!?!?!?
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: jm on April 18, 2001, 03:22:41 PM
I think Nintendo learned its lesson in the texture department.  God forbid it made its texture space as laughable as the N64\'s, theres no hope for Nintendo.  Even its oh so precious marketing campeign and hype. That screen looks pretty good. Just needs a couple thousand more polygons to impress me:)

jm
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: nO-One on April 18, 2001, 03:41:31 PM
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Originally posted by raslant
Isnt GC a texture monster??

"How come PS2 textures in FF10 look better than those in Zelda?
And when was the last time the Zelda dude washed his hair?? "

That what I\'m saying!!!!!!!!  The so-called "texturezilla" system get out done by ps2 with textures!!?!?!?


Well they are learning how to stream textures on the PS.2,so we will be seeing alot better textures on the PS.2.
But still the GC is a texture monster,these demo\'s were done on incomplete hardware.Both consoles will have amazing graphics.I don\'t understand why people always have to take potshots at other consoles when something isn\'t what they expected.
Title: comparing ff8 and ffx pics
Post by: know-it-all-wanna-be on April 18, 2001, 03:49:38 PM
why not?  looks how far square has goes.

pc-ff8 ifrit
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpcmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Fff8b028.jpg&hash=50b4eb4e0184f64eb80d0b10a30778ef2025889b)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpcmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Freviews%2Fimage%2Fff8012.jpg&hash=651c2929c8021156e0b386a30ee975a4a648cad4)

ps2- ffx ifrit
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fps2media.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Fffx%2Ffinalfantasyx_7.jpg&hash=1e07d53bd1ec0f28abaa736b95cb2b9c1b378cf5)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coremagazine.com%2Fnews%2Fimages%2Fffx-new5.jpg&hash=04fc032a1ce6b20c8af4429b428b4bd61316bb40)

hte ps2 ffx looks 50x better than the ff8 version.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Jumpman on April 18, 2001, 04:17:47 PM
No one mentioned the fact that the Zelda demo was created in TWO DAYS from the ground up. Don\'t expect anyone to get realistic hair flow within two damn days. It was also running on imcomlpete hardware. Therefore, this is not a fair comparasing. It was also showned in Augest. That\'s last year! Stop your assuming and wait till E3.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: PahnCrD on April 18, 2001, 04:23:43 PM
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Originally posted by Jumpman
No one mentioned the fact that the Zelda demo was created in TWO DAYS from the ground up. Don\'t expect anyone to get realistic hair flow within two damn days. It was also running on imcomlpete hardware. Therefore, this is not a fair comparasing. It was also showned in Augest. That\'s last year! Stop your assuming and wait till E3.


My ass, 2 days.. more PR crap.  Nintendo cares more about there demos than that.  It would be stupid to only spend 2 days on something so important.  While I believe it looks pretty good.  I do not believe it was done with quite such short notice.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Jumpman on April 18, 2001, 04:31:32 PM
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Originally posted by PahnCrD


My ass, 2 days.. more PR crap.  Nintendo cares more about there demos than that.  It would be stupid to only spend 2 days on something so important.  While I believe it looks pretty good.  I do not believe it was done with quite such short notice.

Well that\'s pretty much what  Miyamoto said. He said they would rather continue their work on their games instead of making demos but Yamauchi wanted some so Miyamoto made some quick ones to show at Spaceworld. Its the truth.
Title: Re: graphics dont mean **** anyway, but its interesting
Post by: Jumpman on April 18, 2001, 04:41:37 PM
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
it still doesnt change the fact, that Zelda was a TECH DEMO while FFX is IN-GAME

IMO, FFX looks better

but Zelda should improve a lot by the time its released...in 30 years time :)

The Zelda demo was realtime, so technically its in-game. If its running realtime on the flipper than the actually game can look like that since physics and AI are handeld by the Gekko.
Title: Perchance....
Post by: Rasputin on April 18, 2001, 07:05:53 PM
Square has flabbergasted me with their semi-realtime cinema cycles.  If anyone actually bothered to notice, the in-game battle sequences are wholly less imposing when contrasted to the other screen shots.  Undoubtedly, I cannot be the only individual that took notice of this, for if I am, I figure you plebeians should really consider being more vigilant when critiquing graphics on a rigorous level.  With this remarkably perspicacious spiel avowed I am inclined to reaffirm that graphics should always be considered secondary to gameplay.  

I realize that the subsequent information is trifling at best, but nevertheless, to defend the honor of my videogame company of choice, I must articulate it.  In retrospect, one can clearly recall that Zelda has permanently subjugated the review charts; the latest case being Majora’s Mask beating FFIX in several prestigious publications, most notably EGM.  Additionally, Nintendo has lastingly upheld a tendency to provide gamers with memorable gaming experiences.  Zelda games of the future will prove to be just as remarkably stupendous as foregoing software packages.  With this in mind, how could anyone possibly conjure up enough courage to blaspheme a company as authoritative as Nintendo?  There is no viable answer to this question.  Sheer unwieldiness of fallacious contempt possessed by multitudes of Sony minions makes the fictitious seem factual to the unsuspecting casual gamer, and thus, the uncontrived casual gamer falls victim of a hellish scuffle of the spreading of misinformation (and ultimately becomes a Sony zealot).  I’m quite sure this is how most of you became Sony fanatics, for if my conjecture proves to be erroneous, then it is quite obvious that I am deliberately and wrongfully attacking gamers with a different console preference then my own.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Bozco on April 18, 2001, 08:13:18 PM
even if zelda was a good game i would hate it just because of jumpman
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Metal_Gear_Ray on April 18, 2001, 08:22:45 PM
I got to agree on jumpmans posts , it is not fair to compare FFX to zelda, BTW zelda is just a demo, a tech demo with no real gameplay AI or physics. And im sure that it will look much better now. We don\'t know what type of graphics GC really has, we\'ll see that at e3 ;)
Title: Re: Perchance....
Post by: kangu-G^Ltt^s on April 18, 2001, 08:32:13 PM
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Originally posted by Rasputin
Square has flabbergasted me with their semi-realtime cinema cycles.  If anyone actually bothered to notice, the in-game battle sequences are wholly less imposing when contrasted to the other screen shots.  Undoubtedly, I cannot be the only individual that took notice of this, for if I am, I figure you plebeians should really consider being more vigilant when critiquing graphics on a rigorous level.  With this remarkably perspicacious spiel avowed I am inclined to reaffirm that graphics should always be considered secondary to gameplay.  

I realize that the subsequent information is trifling at best, but nevertheless, to defend the honor of my videogame company of choice, I must articulate it.  In retrospect, one can clearly recall that Zelda has permanently subjugated the review charts; the latest case being Majora’s Mask beating FFIX in several prestigious publications, most notably EGM.  Additionally, Nintendo has lastingly upheld a tendency to provide gamers with memorable gaming experiences.  Zelda games of the future will prove to be just as remarkably stupendous as foregoing software packages.  With this in mind, how could anyone possibly conjure up enough courage to blaspheme a company as authoritative as Nintendo?  There is no viable answer to this question.  Sheer unwieldiness of fallacious contempt possessed by multitudes of Sony minions makes the fictitious seem factual to the unsuspecting casual gamer, and thus, the uncontrived casual gamer falls victim of a hellish scuffle of the spreading of misinformation (and ultimately becomes a Sony zealot).  I’m quite sure this is how most of you became Sony fanatics, for if my conjecture proves to be erroneous, then it is quite obvious that I am deliberately and wrongfully attacking gamers with a different console preference then my own.



Put the thesaurus down and back away, slowly. Seriously man, it\'s not how big the words are, it\'s how you use them. Clearly you don\'t know how to use the latest words from your weekly vocab list so just try to express yourself in your own words.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Faithdies on April 18, 2001, 09:04:14 PM
I have to agree with Kangu, man.
A few of those words were terribly used.
Articulate?
Subjugate?
Come on.
Seriously, that was pretty bad.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: IronFist on April 18, 2001, 09:29:11 PM
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Originally posted by Faithdies
I have to agree with Kangu, man.
A few of those words were terribly used.
Articulate?
Subjugate?
Come on.
Seriously, that was pretty bad.

I was going to say the same thing.  I had to get a dictionary out just so I could understand what you were talking about. :)
Title: You are all quite mistaken...
Post by: Rasputin on April 18, 2001, 09:52:56 PM
Articulate is to verbalize as subjugate is to conquer.  This concludes the vocabulary lesson I have so understandably paid to the three of you.  How dare you verbally challenged simpletons challenge my authority on the English language!
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Samwise on April 18, 2001, 10:42:10 PM
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Originally posted by Jumpman
No one mentioned the fact that the Zelda demo was created in TWO DAYS from the ground up. Don\'t expect anyone to get realistic hair flow within two damn days. It was also running on imcomlpete hardware. Therefore, this is not a fair comparasing. It was also showned in Augest. That\'s last year! Stop your assuming and wait till E3.
Aw, what a load of crap. I\'ll bet ya it WASN\'T made in ONLY two days. Just like the SW-like demo... it wasn\'t made in 19 days as said some time ago - it was implemented onto the hardware in 19 days. Big difference! They had been working on the actual demo for 6 months. I believe it\'s the same deal with Zelda. NOBODY (!) can make something like that in just two days. If you seriously think that then you\'re in denial. I\'m not just talking GC here, it\'s the same for all systems - be it PS2, Xbox, GC or whatever. It is not made from ground up in two days!
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Regent Weber on April 18, 2001, 11:05:19 PM
Rasputin, your futile attempts to obfuscate  and confound your statements, and the logical refutations thereof, will not shield you from those with a better grasp of the language then you will ever aspire to (much less attain..). The choice of trying to couch your statements in labyrthian language, obscure and convoluted verbal entendres, is obviously a misguided attempt to distract  from the inherent weakness of your statements and conclusions thereof.

The purpose of writing is the MEANINGFUL PASSAGE OF INFORMATION.You obviously failed miserably in your pathetic attempt at this. Equally deplorable is your lack of knowledge in the proper use of UBB/HTML tags to give additional gravity and emphasis to your statements. Further, your seeming inablity to properly implement in your post proper paragraphs for clarity of purpose and ease of use.  All of these point to the moronic attempts of some \'idiot child\' to pass himself off as some master of english, in a mockery of the actual purpose and proper usage of said language.

I hereby serve you with a warning. Desist from this path of foolishness, or I will humiliate you PUBLICLY for the outright fraud you are..
Title: Re: You are all quite mistaken...
Post by: kangu-G^Ltt^s on April 18, 2001, 11:06:37 PM
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Originally posted by Rasputin
Articulate is to verbalize as subjugate is to conquer.  This concludes the vocabulary lesson I have so understandably paid to the three of you.  How dare you verbally challenged simpletons challenge my authority on the English language!


The thing is your language is completely superfluous. Because of your weak grasp of the english language you clearly failed to notice what the underlying reasons for my rebuttal were. Whether the location of the words in your post is correct is not the subject of debate, but rather the fact that you seem bent on utilizing this highly superfluous language (big words some would call them) in order to impress other members of this forum. Clearly this is a device to create a facade, if you will, that serves to hide the fact that your posts have nothing of real value and that has not been stated before.

The basic idea your are attempting to communicate in your post can be summarized in a few of lines:

"I am not impressed by the shots of realtime cinemas that Square has been releasing. The gameplay shots are a lot less impressive. You should all be more observant when apraising screenshots. Gamplay comes before graphics anyway."
"Nintendo is my favorite company so I must defend it. Clearly they make excellent games, better than Square\'s, as many reviews have shown. And they are comitted to quality. How can anyone say such bad things about Nintendo  ? It is blasphemy. You\'re all a bunch of fanboys sucked in by Sony PR. Of course if you\'re not a fanboy I apologize and admitt my mistake."

[EDIT] The logic of his statements seems to follow a train of logic similar to that of the ants in TH White\'s retelling of the tale of King Arthur; The Once and Future King, doesn\'t it?  
 
This forum is not the American Journal of Medicine. You can simply say what you mean without the need of all this "fluff" (because believe me it fails to impress). Drop the act.

And I have no further interest in discussing this question so sit down and shut up.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Faithdies on April 19, 2001, 12:38:05 AM
Kangu is mostly right.
But you still used "articulate" wrong.

"I realize that the subsequent information is trifling at best, but nevertheless, to defend the honor of my videogame company of choice, I must articulate it. "

You can not "articulate" something.
"articutate" is not a verb.
You can BE "articulate".
That sentence could be "articulate"
You can make somethink MORE "articulate".
But you cannot ,"I just articulated on your ass, mofo."

It just doesn\'t work.

Besides, other than that, that sentence made NO SENSE.
Break it down.

"I realize that the subsequent information is trifling at best,"
    Ok. Nice structure.

"but nevertheless, to defend the honor of my videogame company of choice"
    Ok. Still not bad.

"I must articulate it."
    Ok, assuming you can use "articulate" like you said you could, what are you going to articulate?
The subsequent information?
The videogame company of your choice?
You never specified WHAT you were going to articulate.

AHHHHHH!
Im done.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Metal_Gear_Ray on April 19, 2001, 02:39:27 AM
aww what a load of crap, its not an english lesson (I\'m gald it isn\'t:)) can we get on with the original topic now?

there is no way someone (or a team) could make that demo in 2 days

unless the entire game engine models are already made beforehand (they just use the games code and models)
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Jumpman on April 19, 2001, 09:28:34 AM
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Originally posted by Bozco
even if zelda was a good game i would hate it just because of jumpman

I thought you couldn\'t become more moronic but this post proves it.

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I got to agree on jumpmans posts , it is not fair to compare FFX to zelda, BTW zelda is just a demo, a tech demo with no real gameplay AI or physics. And im sure that it will look much better now. We don\'t know what type of graphics GC really has, we\'ll see that at e3

You kind of missed something.

That Zelda demo is technically gameplay. Sure there was no AI or physics but that\'s irrelevant because AI and physics are handeld by the Gekko. The Flipper does all the graphics. The Zelda demo was running realtime on the flipper so it IS gameplay( technically).

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Aw, what a load of crap. I\'ll bet ya it WASN\'T made in ONLY two days. Just like the SW-like demo... it wasn\'t made in 19 days as said some time ago - it was implemented onto the hardware in 19 days. Big difference! They had been working on the actual demo for 6 months. I believe it\'s the same deal with Zelda. NOBODY (!) can make something like that in just two days. If you seriously think that then you\'re in denial. I\'m not just talking GC here, it\'s the same for all systems - be it PS2, Xbox, GC or whatever. It is not made from ground up in two days!

Ok so maybe I streched things by saying it was made from the ground up but that\'s not the point!

They had the basic new Zelda plan for a long time, but they took the characters and put them in a demo in two days. THIS IS THE TRUTH! Yes, I lied before, sue me.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: ddaryl on April 19, 2001, 09:36:54 AM
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Originally posted by Jumpman

You kind of missed something.

That Zelda demo is technically gameplay. Sure there was no AI or physics but that\'s irrelevant because AI and physics are handeld by the Gekko. The Flipper does all the graphics. The Zelda demo was running realtime on the flipper so it IS gameplay( technically).





C\'mon the Flipper does not work independently. The Gekko still has to give all the command to the Flipper for it to know what to draw.

You logic is very flawed. The Flipper does all the drawing and adds the effects, but knowing what enemies are where what position the character is in what animation to run will all be done in the Gekko which will command the Flipper
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Bozco on April 19, 2001, 12:11:28 PM
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Originally posted by Jumpman

I thought you couldn\'t become more moronic but this post proves it.


You kind of missed something.

That Zelda demo is technically gameplay. Sure there was no AI or physics but that\'s irrelevant because AI and physics are handeld by the Gekko. The Flipper does all the graphics. The Zelda demo was running realtime on the flipper so it IS gameplay( technically).


Ok so maybe I streched things by saying it was made from the ground up but that\'s not the point!

They had the basic new Zelda plan for a long time, but they took the characters and put them in a demo in two days. THIS IS THE TRUTH! Yes, I lied before, sue me.


Maybe I went alittle to far but i still wont like this game because I liked it during Nintendo days but not past that
But I really think you are ruining it because when i see that guy i think of all your stupid post im talking about your pic

Oh, and atleast i dont lie to make my fav games look better than they really are
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Jumpman on April 19, 2001, 12:32:06 PM
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Maybe I went alittle to far but i still wont like this game because I liked it during Nintendo days but not past that
But I really you are ruining it because when i see that guy i think of all your stupid post

Sorry, but I didn\'t really understand your post to well because  I don\'t speak gibberish. :laughing:

"I really you are..."???? What the bloody hell? You have atrocious grammatical skills.

Anyways, you\'ve been here since March and you have not seen most of my posts so you can\'t really make an accurate judgement on whether my posts are stupid or not. So please shut the hell up and stop making idiotic comments for your own good.

You really are a " sad little man". mm shouldn\'t of took that line away from your name because it still works now.

*yawm*

It appears that I have moron attacking me again... when will you gimps learn that you are no match for me?
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Unicron! on April 19, 2001, 01:40:44 PM
If the Zelda demo represents what a real game represents then I think PS2 is better because I liked FF tech demo more:rolleyes:
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Post by: Rasputin on April 19, 2001, 02:42:56 PM
You fiendish villains have tested my anger, and I must say, you’ve gotten the best of me.  When I am infuriated (very infrequently the case, I might add), I lack a clear sense of direction with my prose, and thus, the end result of my dissertation under the aforementioned circumstance is a terribly sculpted abomination of bombastic verbiage.  Yes indeed, every now and again I do in fact lose my ability to think clearly, but especially when people are attacking me from all corners and directions.  Although this may be so, don’t think for a second that when I am ostensibly defeated, I am in fact down for the count.  I have a tremendous amount of resiliency; it’s foolish to make assumptions of the opposite.  Here are a few words of advice to the supercilious personalities in this forum.  You must have certainty in each and every situation.  This, although not commonly seen as a practical staple for contemporary lifestyles here in the United States, should be practiced rigorously to better the lives of all people, including the carping hecklers that seem to comprise the entire populace here at these forums.  I could go on to further state viable and accurate information pertaining to human relations and other such topics, but you people wouldn\'t appreciate such material simply because you seemingly have the necessity to feel superior to tyros of these rather shoddy forums.  Keep your sanctuary of false superiority, for I don’t feel the need to further obstruct the harmony that has developed here.

P.S.  For the person that thought I didn’t know how to properly utilize html tags, what you’re looking at is a table (although there are no html options available in this particular forum).  The fictitious html tag that I used in my previous post was solely intended to accentuate the message I was trying to convey, much like an emoticon would\'ve.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Black Samurai on April 19, 2001, 06:54:50 PM
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Originally posted by Faithdies
Kangu is mostly right.
But you still used "articulate" wrong.

"I realize that the subsequent information is trifling at best, but nevertheless, to defend the honor of my videogame company of choice, I must articulate it. "

You can not "articulate" something.
"articutate" is not a verb.
You can BE "articulate".
That sentence could be "articulate"
You can make somethink MORE "articulate".
But you cannot ,"I just articulated on your ass, mofo."

It just doesn\'t work.

"I must articulate it."
    Ok, assuming you can use "articulate" like you said you could, what are you going to articulate?
The subsequent information?
The videogame company of your choice?
You never specified WHAT you were going to articulate.


I don\'t want to drag this out much longer but you are wrong. Articulate can be used as an adjective AND a verb. Here are some of the ways it can be used c/o Dictionary.com:

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1. To pronounce distinctly and carefully; enunciate.
2. To utter (a speech sound) by making the necessary movements of the speech organs.
3. To express in coherent verbal form; give words to:
4. To fit together into a coherent whole; unify:
5. Anatomy. To unite by forming a joint or joints.


Ok, now with the knowledge that it is a verb you should be able to break down his sentence. Although it is not a very good sentence, structure wise, you should still be able to see that he means to articulate the "information". It may make more sense like this:

To defend the honor of my videogame company of choice, I must articulate the subsequent information although I realize(not necessary) it is trifling at best.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Kenny--73 on April 19, 2001, 07:01:16 PM
Can everybody just give this crap a rest?  This is not English class, so I definitly do not want to read about English stuff.  I get plenty of that in school.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Black Samurai on April 20, 2001, 09:06:23 AM
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Originally posted by Kenny--73
Can everybody just give this crap a rest?  This is not English class, so I definitly do not want to read about English stuff.  I get plenty of that in school.


Hey Kenny,  I haven\'t seen you in awhile. Where have you been hiding?
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Kenny--73 on April 20, 2001, 01:30:10 PM
I don\'t post that much, but I still read what goes on here.  Do you just post on this site, or do you know me from somewhere else? :cool:
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Bozco on April 20, 2001, 06:36:41 PM
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Originally posted by Jumpman

Sorry, but I didn\'t really understand your post to well because  I don\'t speak gibberish. :laughing:

"I really you are..."???? What the bloody hell? You have atrocious grammatical skills.

Anyways, you\'ve been here since March and you have not seen most of my posts so you can\'t really make an accurate judgement on whether my posts are stupid or not. So please shut the hell up and stop making idiotic comments for your own good.

You really are a " sad little man". mm shouldn\'t of took that line away from your name because it still works now.

*yawm*

It appears that I have moron attacking me again... when will you gimps learn that you are no match for me?


sorry i forgot a word, and anyways i dont have to see much of your post to get the idea your an idiot and the sad little man part, you just hide behind your comp talking a bunch of **** but really your the sad little man
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Jumpman on April 20, 2001, 06:42:51 PM
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Originally posted by Bozco


sorry i forgot a word, and anyways i dont have to see much of your post to get the idea your an idiot and the sad little man part, you just hide behind your comp talking a bunch of **** but really your the sad little man

LOL. Get some grammatical skills before replying next time.

Bozco, whether you want to admit it or not you are the true idiot, not me. Anyone with one brain cells could see who is the more intelligent person by reading our posts, and that person is clearly me.

I hide behind my computer? What a hypocritical statement... What the **** are you doing, dumb ass? By observing your numerous idiotic posts your obviously some little kid with no friends. Get a life, junior.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Bozco on April 20, 2001, 07:08:57 PM
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Originally posted by Jumpman

LOL. Get some grammatical skills before replying next time.

Bozco, whether you want to admit it or not you are the true idiot, not me. Anyone with one brain cells could see who is the more intelligent person by reading our posts, and that person is clearly me.

I hide behind my computer? What a hypocritical statement... What the **** are you doing, dumb ass? By observing your numerous idiotic posts your obviously some little kid with no friends. Get a life, junior.


I dont hide behind my computer why dont you take a visit to picktown read my quote, and that friends part i wont even say anything about that
I dont use big words just because im lazy, doesnt mean im stupid, face it jumpman your not special dont act like it
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Faithdies on April 20, 2001, 07:33:54 PM
Jumpman,
Chill out.
If I remember correctly your not that old either,"son"

Bozco,
You defiantly have to settle down.
Some people on this site might seem cool when they say ignorant things like, "We dont care what you have to say", and such. But, in reality, its not cool. Its quite stupid. If you dont like what someone has to say, "debate" it, dont insult them.
People lose respect for someone that way.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Bozco on April 20, 2001, 07:41:47 PM
also you remember when i get insulted i dont just let them think their better, hes not going to get the last laugh, and he carries himself like hes better than everyone else i just thought i had to say something i wasnt the only one giving the insults either i dont need to be singled out, Im not here to impress people
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Jumpman on April 20, 2001, 08:50:12 PM
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I dont hide behind my computer why dont you take a visit to picktown read my quote

IDIOT. Your hiding right now and that\'s obvious.

"take a visit to picktown read my quote"

Take some academic school courses for god\'s sakes. :laughing:  

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and that friends part i wont even say anything about that

rrrrriiiiiiiiight.

When I understand what your trying to say then I\'ll respond to that part.

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I dont use big words just because im lazy, doesnt mean im stupid

LOL! Way to sound even more idiotic than you already are! :laughing:

I am also lazy, but I don\'t find that I use big words either. This is a discussion forum, not a class room. If I wanted to sound more intelligent than I could but I choose not to since there is no pressure here to sound smart. But atleast I make some effort to correct to sound human....

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face it jumpman your not special dont act like it

I assume that your mom pulled that pathetic statement out of your ass since your too damn lazy to do it yourself.

But seriously, I may be a little ****y but there are others who gloat more than I do.

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Jumpman,
Chill out.
If I remember correctly your not that old either,"son"

Please, I can make people look like fools despite their age level.

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also you remember when i get insulted i dont just let them think their better, hes not going to get the last laugh, and he carries himself like hes better than everyone else i just thought i had to say something i wasnt the only one giving the insults either i dont need to be singled out

I ALWAYS get the last laugh against people like you.

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Im not here to impress people

Obviously.

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Youve been really aggressive lately dood, just take a chill pill, and relax dood.

People are always trying to pick fights against me. I\'m simply defending myself.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: IronFist on April 20, 2001, 09:31:00 PM
*Shakes head*  Such a mean person.  So prideful.  So ignorant.  So vain.  Doesn\'t think of others feelings -- almost as if he doesn\'t even care.  

I hope a mod locks this thread, because it has gotten out of hand.  It went from comparing graphics, to a grammar contest, to who is more of a computer nerd (I win that one :p)  It has gone too far.  The only thing this thread is good for now is making enemies.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Black Samurai on April 20, 2001, 11:02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Kenny--73
I don\'t post that much, but I still read what goes on here.  Do you just post on this site, or do you know me from somewhere else? :cool:


I changed my name. It used to be IcebergSlim. I used to post at Nintendo Next Generation(Or something like that) with you.
Title: The graphical gap closing?
Post by: Samwise on April 21, 2001, 12:25:26 AM
Whoopdedoo. You can thank the fighting for the closing of this thread.