PSX5Central
Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: TheOgodlyThing on April 23, 2001, 07:57:13 PM
-
These are the best screen shots i have seen for any XBOX racer yet.
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Ftestdrive%2Fbg08.jpg&hash=4a7db0d82a682480e5d5b3a4ca92d1cd619849b5)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Ftestdrive%2Fbg01.jpg&hash=7efe3bcd0e0df7d1a2c28d9751054a2e5fb2432e)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Ftestdrive%2Fbg10.jpg&hash=587702e026c8c3bfd26e464193be815bbc5fcfc5)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Ftestdrive%2Fbg09.jpg&hash=d6e3ead542c9d529bcde59246c599340017a6c37)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Ftestdrive%2Fbg13.jpg&hash=b60cd7ad68ecd513b0da0d425c3b0ae95efb7ab1)
source= IGN XBOX
http://xbox.ign.com/previews/16357.html
TEST DRIVE ON PSX2
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fps2media.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Ftestdrive%2Ftestdrive_6.jpg&hash=3abd03fefba8903238fa5e2f248df7018e7c746f)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fps2media.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Ftestdrive%2Ftestdrive_7.jpg&hash=15870b5d75428a5037d72cca1710ae2469f53980)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fps2media.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Ftestdrive%2Ftestdrive_2.jpg&hash=efa4550f87d2f1fffea1b6d7648375ea59f3bd36)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fps2media.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Ftestdrive%2Ftestdrive_5.jpg&hash=e6d6b2350598170a01f3bc3eb7a44e80cf653726)
-
Hey they look almost the same.
-
you can see the lack of FSAA in the PS2 pics other then that it seems to be on par.
of course this is Test drive on unfinshed XBox kits so thats something to think about
-
Hey they look almost the same
Oh please, spare yourself.
you can see the lack of FSAA in the PS2 pics other then that it seems to be on par.
The background textures, and poly count on the cars are much better than the psx2. As for FSAA psx2 will have to be done on software which will comprise performace.
Anyhow I guess to be fair we will have to wait till both games are complete for the each sytem to give a final comparision.
-
I really do not see a big difference either. The Xbox shots are clearly better but not by that much, mainly the FSAA IMO.
-
Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
The background textures, and poly count on the cars are much better than the psx2. As for FSAA psx2 will have to be done on software which will comprise performace.
Anyhow I guess to be fair we will have to wait till both games are complete for the each sytem to give a final comparision.
your kinda reaching here son.
There is some difference but nothing I would waste my time arguing about
In fact if this is Xbox then the PS2 has nothing to worry about then cause the difference in graphics won\'t be that noticeable and people will stick with known brandnames then.
On top of all this I\'ve seen an early mpeg of Testdrive for the PS2 running and theses shots you gave me don\'t really capture how fantastic the game looked running. I\'m sure the Xbox version will be superior, but by these screens not by much at all or not worth debating over
-
Joy. I can now buy an x-box for the amazing game that test drive is. :rolleyes: Didn\'t like the way it looked on PS2, same goes for the box.
- dm
- so whose god will f\'cking save me now?
-
oh I agree the leap in graphics is not that much, but again it\'s running on 50% of XBOX power. Just think what happens if the developers and that is IF they decide to squeeze more power out, when final hardware comes out.
Personally I never cared for TEST DRIVE I only posted this to illustrate progression on xbox so far in the graphics department
-
"oh I agree the leap in graphics is not that much, but again it\'s running on 50% of XBOX power." - OhGodlyThing
Yeah, but by the same token.. is TD6 utilizing the full 50% Xbox power provided? And do you really think that the PS2 pics are from code that\'s using over 50% of the PS2\'s power efficently? Not to beat a dead horse here, but GT3 looks far better (IMO) than TD6.. and it\'s still a very early game made for a very misunderstood machine.
Now not to say that the Xbox version won\'t look better than the PS2 version, but from the way this thread is going it seems to mislead the reader into thinking that, at full effecency, the Xbox version would look twice as good as the PS2 version running at full efficency. That\'s just not the case.
Anyway, I haven\'t been excited about a testdrive game since TD3 for the PC oh so many years ago, and I don\'t think I\'ll be getting too excited over this one either... weither the PS2 OR Xbox version.
-
New Test-drive screens for th x-box !!!amazing
...Amazing ?? :rolleyes: I\'m sure you\'re joking ! :)
GT3 and The Getaway,hands down,blow away this kind of Graphics...and they push the PS2 less than 50% !
...and your comparison is openly the proof of the insecurity of all the PC-Zealots :D
(I\'m not sure that this kind of developers can use more than 20% of the Power of the PS2 :D)
-
at full effecency, the Xbox version would look twice as good as the PS2 version running at full efficency. That\'s just not the case.
GOOD LUCK there the XBOX is alot more powerful than PSX2 and it is capable of producing graphics at leat 2 times greater than PSX2. I\'ll tell you what how about we wait till the xbox is released, then we can see if XBOX is truly that more powerful than PSX2.
Yeah, but by the same token.. is TD6 utilizing the full 50% Xbox power provided? And do you really think that the PS2 pics are from code that\'s using over 50% of the PS2\'s power efficently?
Alright fair enough, So then if TD6 is using let\'s say "HALF" of both systems power, meaning 50% of psx2 and 50% of 1/2 of XBOX\'S power, then to simplify the math 50 % of psx2 power and 25% of xbox\'s.(casue 50 divided by 2 is 25) Therefore this clearly shows by your analogy that XBOX is indeed at least 2 times more powerful than PSX2
Oh by the way it\'s funny how GT3 is the only good looking PSX2 racer, you know why cause they have been developing that game for ages, alot of man power has been put into that game, SONY has poured more money into the development then they ever have before, in other words majority of PSX2 developers don\'t have the MONEY and TIME to spend in order to make a game like GT3. Yet the XBOX could do a game like gt3 in half the time, which means less money to accomplish the same task = greater profit.
-
I\'m not sure that this kind of developers can use more than 20% of the Power of the PS2
THis developer to me, seems lazy both for psx2 and xbox. Oh well still looks decent.
Amazing ?? I\'m sure you\'re joking !
As opposed to being dead serious, LOL, LOL. But so far these are the best pics for any axbox racer yet. We will have to wait see how project-gotham is comming along
and your comparison is openly the proof of the insecurity of all the PC-Zealots
What are you talking about, I\'m not a pc gamer. I could give a rat\'s ass about pc zealots.
-
"Alright fair enough, So then if TD6 is using let\'s say "HALF" of both systems power, meaning 50% of psx2 and 50% of 1/2 of XBOX\'S power, then to simplify the math 50 % of psx2 power and 25% of xbox\'s.(casue 50 divided by 2 is 25) Therefore this clearly shows by your analogy that XBOX is indeed at least 2 times more powerful than PSX2" - OhGodlyThing
Ok, first of all, that way of litteral thinking is f*cked. I put the analogy up to explain that you, or anyone here, really dosen\'t know jack **** about either systems power based on percentages coupled with screenshots. I just wanted to bring a little reality check to this thread, but you insist on twisting my meaning and using it to further your Xbox gloating.
Point in fact, we don\'t know what percentage of power TD6 is using out of either console, or weither or not the Xbox value would be based on the incomplete dev kit or a speculation based on current projected specs for the complete dev kit. (If you remember, Sony developers were giving out % numbers for what their demos and games would run on complete hardware even before they had finished dev kits).
But lets just say we go ahead and assign values, and use your analogy. The way I see it, if the PS2 is creating this games visuals nearly as well as the Xbox is, and with a gap of 25% less power.. then that makes me wonder just what in the hell is taking up most of that 25% margin of difference. FSAA? That\'s a hell of a preformance hit there. So really, you\'ve either just complimented the PS2 or shown that your logic is screwey.
Oh, and about GT3 taking AGES to develop... you do know that it\'s not just programming the PS2 that took up that much time. A good deal of it was due to the increadible attention to details (what TD6 is so far lacking), field testing the actual autos for accurate representation in the game, and other aspects of game development. Not to mention that while it will have significatly less cars than GT2, I can all but guantee that GT3 will have significantly MORE cars than TD6. Just because a game\'s been in development for a long time, dosen\'t necessarrily mean it\'s because of cost and hardware limitations... It could also mean they\'re just aiming at making a high quality product. Look at Working Design\'s games for an example.
-
Originally by TheOgodlyThing
I\'ll tell you what how about we wait till the xbox is released, then we can see if XBOX is truly that more powerful than PSX2.
Sonyfan i respect your point of view here, but wew will never really know untill xbox is released. When this happens we will be able to see what develpers have done with the games, having used the final hardware.
-
HEH!!...i am very pleased with your actions sonyfan...you destroyed ugly\'s agend with-out him ever even knowing...well done:D
And xbox zealots wonder why everyone doubts their godly console....;)
-
you destroyed ugly\'s agend with-out him ever even knowing...well done
The sad part is nobody cares what you have to say, and I’m sure SONYFAN and everyone else here, could care less weather you agree with them or not, cause you my LOSER friend have no credibility at ALL. LOL, LOL
-
"Sonyfan i respect your point of view here, but wew will never really know untill xbox is released. When this happens we will be able to see what develpers have done with the games, having used the final hardware." -OhGodlyThing
Actually, the launch games will most likely be all rush jobs and not a good representitive of the consoles true power by any means. Just look at the graphical leap from Omnimusha to Devil May Cry. I\'m just wondering if graphics for the Xbox will remain static throughout it\'s life, or if they\'ll improve in the same manner as the PSX, Saturn, N64, and other consoles have. After all, most people programming for the Xbox already know all the in\'s and outs and it\'s really just a matter of becomming familiar with a slightly different and significantly beefed up Geforce GPU. How long will that take?, a year and a half at the most?
"HEH!!...i am very pleased with your actions sonyfan...you destroyed ugly\'s agend with-out him ever even knowing...well done" Nplayer-2
Ugh, why do I suddenly feel so dirty? Seriously, noone cares about your little crusade against the Xbox so why not just drop it and try becoming a productive member of these forums for a change?
-
its a shame that no matter how pretty the test drive series becomes, the gameplay will still always be poop
-
its a shame that no matter how pretty the test drive series becomes, the gameplay will still always be poop
Do you remember the one for DC, it\'s was horrible, all they did was port the game from psx, and beef up the graphics a tab bit. Worst DC racer i ever played
-
Originally posted by mm
its a shame that no matter how pretty the test drive series becomes, the gameplay will still always be poop
Bingo, man.
While everyone is arguin\' about how the game looks, the gameplay was total crap always. Ugh.
But as it stands, the Xbox version does look alittle better (just barely). Still, if the game is crap, I could care less. And if its TestDrive, it is almost guranteed to be......CRAP.
-
I won\'t comment on the gameplay, as the only TD I\'ve played was 4 (?) on PSone, and I loved that.... but as for the screen Sonyfan(boy) and BiozEE the jester, the FACT is the XB shots show a noticeably higher quality, and are done on incomplete kits, as opposed to the PS2 version, which has been done on 100% complete kits that have been available for quite some time. Another FACT is nothing PS2 offered thus far (MGS2 demo omitted) is much better than DC can do. In fact, with some games (UT, MDK2, etc) the PS2 versions are WORSE. This is very unlikely to happen to XB, as its not out and is already on par or in some cases outperforming PS2. Why are people arguing about it? XB has better hardware period. Get the **** over it. I don\'t care if this is a PS2 forum, stupidity has no excuse.
And anyone who thinks I\'ve been too harsh in the past, brace yourselves. I\'m not going to hold back anymore.... if I think your a ignorant **** face like Nplayer, I\'m gonna say it.
-
Some strong and weak arguments in there, Ethugg.
Another FACT is nothing PS2 offered thus far (MGS2 demo omitted) is much better than DC can do. In fact, with some games (UT, MDK2, etc) the PS2 versions are WORSE.
We can\'t blame the PS2 because it\'s just a machine. The developers should be holded responsible for that.
This is very unlikely to happen to XB, as its not out and is already on par or in some cases outperforming PS2. Why are people arguing about it? XB has better hardware period. Get the **** over it. I don\'t care if this is a PS2 forum, stupidity has no excuse.
While I think your right, we have to wait till E3 for more proof. So far the graphical capabilities of the Xbox are nothing impressive. MGS2 easily beats any Xbox game so far.
I found an old article with Silicon Knights and they said that their projects on NGC look better than anything they\'ve seen on PS2 and Xbox so far...interesting. NGC might have the best graphics. Who knows? Wait till E3.
-
Originally posted by Jumpman
Some strong and weak arguments in there, Ethugg.
We can\'t blame the PS2 because it\'s just a machine. The developers should be holded responsible for that.
While I think your right, we have to wait till E3 for more proof. So far the graphical capabilities of the Xbox are nothing impressive. MGS2 easily beats any Xbox game so far.
I found an old article with Silicon Knights and they said that their projects on NGC look better than anything they\'ve seen on PS2 and Xbox so far...interesting. NGC might have the best graphics. Who knows? Wait till E3.
I don\'t blame PS2, I blame Sony and developers.
And while I respect Silicon Knights, they were bought by Nintendo, no? I think GC and XB will be comparable (in graphics) while PS2 trails behind. I have a PS2, and will never sell it, so trust me, anyone who thinks I\'m a PS2 hater is dead wrong.
-
I don\'t blame PS2, I blame Sony and developers.
I mainly blame Sony for not getting full development kits out on time...
And while I respect Silicon Knights, they were bought by Nintendo, no?
While they have often express their feelings in a positive way for other consoles they are still a Ninendo 2nd party. But all of the people who said Xbox will look better are either 2nd or 1st parties so who knows? And no one has seen what they\'ve been up to. Ah well, we will have our answers at E3. :)
I think GC and XB will be comperable (in graphics) while PS2 trails behind.
Agreed.
-
Ethugg, I think you need to just calm the **** down and pay a little more attention to what\'s being said. You totally missed the boat on what it was I was trying to say. The point is, it dosen\'t matter if those shots are done on 50% or 100% complete hardware since you cannot use those examples to base the Xbox\'s margin of superiority. It\'s flawed logic plain and simple. Never once did I say that the Xbox was less powerful than the PS2 (Although I do think the PS2 will surprise us in the comming years and keep a pretty good pace with MS). The fanboy comment was also uncalled for, since most people here could attest to me being a gamer first, and an excitied Sony and Sega gamer second. (Actually, I\'m a Sierra gamer first, Gamer second, Sony and Sega gamer third.. or something like that...)
I mean, excuse the hell out of me for not bending over backwards with anticipation for the Xbox. We can\'t all lavish praise over it 24/7 ya know.
-
Originally posted by EThugg
I won\'t comment on the gameplay, as the only TD I\'ve played was 4 (?) on PSone, and I loved that.... but as for the screen Sonyfan(boy) and BiozEE the jester, the FACT is the XB shots show a noticeably higher quality, and are done on incomplete kits, as opposed to the PS2 version, which has been done on 100% complete kits that have been available for quite some time.
Dear EThugg,I see you can\'t understand what I said...so...for the last time...I\'ll try....
The X-Box has a familiar,friendly hardware(P3,INvidia) and although the early X-Box games are developed on incomplete kits,you still can have a good idea of the kind of graphics you\'ll see in the final product!
Some of the most talented developer on the Planet,just now,are using less than 50% of the power of the PS2...so...how much power of PS2 do you think the developers of Test Drive are using? Honestly? ...20%...25%...15%...I don\'t know....
The only Thing I know is that a game like GT3(using less than 50% of the real performance of PS2) hands down blow away the best looking x-box racing game !
Another FACT is nothing PS2 offered thus far (MGS2 demo omitted) is much better than DC can do. In fact, with some games (UT, MDK2, etc) the PS2 versions are WORSE. This is very unlikely to happen to XB, as its not out and is already on par or in some cases outperforming PS2. Why are people arguing about it? XB has better hardware period. Get the **** over it. I don\'t care if this is a PS2 forum, stupidity has no excuse.
....mmm....PS2 IS DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP FOR SO AT FIRST developers used nothing of its capabilities ! They skipped the Vector Units and didn\'t stream textures! This is the reason why first PS2 games didn\'t look much better than DC\'s ! You are a Fool ! why? although you are right when you say X-Box can do better graphics(1 year and half of advantage),you suggest sterile and weak arguments to prove your point!
X-Box will be a Great Console and it doesn\'t need your moronic support ! :D
And anyone who thinks I\'ve been too harsh in the past, brace yourselves. I\'m not going to hold back anymore.... if I think your a ignorant **** face like Nplayer, I\'m gonna say it.
Close your mouth and try to be a productive member instead of bursting into each thread only to sing x-box praises or to sling mud at PS2(...and you said "I\' ve got a PS2"...."I\'m a gamer"...or....and bla bla)...You are only an hypocrite,BS,not-productive member and most of people here think exactly like me ! :D
[/B]
-
Originally posted by BizioEE
Dear EThugg,I see you can\'t understand what I said...so...for the last time...I\'ll try....
The X-Box has a familiar,friendly hardware(P3,INvidia) and although the early X-Box games are developed on incomplete kits,you still can have a good idea of the kind of graphics you\'ll see in the final product!
Some of the most talented developer on the Planet,just now,are using less than 50% of the power of the PS2...so...how much power of PS2 do you think the developers of Test Drive are using? Honestly? ...20%...25%...15%...I don\'t know....
The only Thing I know is that a game like GT3(using less than 50% of the real performance of PS2) hands down blow away the best looking x-box racing game !
....mmm....PS2 IS DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP FOR SO AT FIRST developers used nothing of its capabilities ! They skipped the Vector Units and didn\'t stream textures! This is the reason why first PS2 games didn\'t look much better than DC\'s ! You are a Fool ! why? although you are right when you say X-Box can do better graphics(1 year and half of advantage),you suggest sterile and weak arguments to prove your point!
X-Box will be a Great Console and it doesn\'t need your moronic support ! :D
Close your mouth and try to be a productive member instead of bursting into each thread only to sing x-box praises or to sling mud at PS2(...and you said "I\' ve got a PS2"...."I\'m a gamer"...or....and bla bla)...You are only an hypocrite,BS,not-productive member and most of people here think exactly like me ! :D
The hardwares only familiar to PC developers, not console developers 1st of all jackass, and while it\'s easier to dev. for XB, these shots from TD are unlikely using more than 10 % of XB\'s power. I am SURE it\'s using more than 10% of PS2\'s power because, earth to jackass, XB IS MORE POWERFUL! And GT3, hands down does NOT blow every XB racer out of the water. Every racer on it is very early and some look as good as GT3 already.
.....mmmmm... PS2 IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO DEV FOR!!! I give 2 ****s about you saviour the vector units. Saturn had plenty of great chips that developers didnt use cause IT WAS TOO ****ING DIFFICULT! And like Saturn vs PSX, developers WILL flock to the easier and more powerful system to develop for, and this time, there are 2! GameCube and XB both are a walk in the park compared to the developers nightmare that is PS2. I know PS2 games will get better looking, but not better looking than GC or XB....
Try to close my mouth fanboy, I sing praises for any deserving system or game, and PS2\'s innards and comparative capabilities are UNWORTHY OF PRAISE. I believe most people think like you, and I call those people \'morons\'. :D Since I\'ve played well over 70 PS2 games, I feel more than qualified to diss the areas it deserves to be.
-
All of you should just chill the hell out and debate this crap 2 years from now when we\'ve seen what all the consoles are capable of.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
You can use all the logic you want, you can think all you want, and make whatever conclusions you want. The only fact is that we don\'t know jack about how things will be in 2 years.
-
Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Oh please, spare yourself.
The background textures, and poly count on the cars are much better than the psx2. As for FSAA psx2 will have to be done on software which will comprise performace.
Anyhow I guess to be fair we will have to wait till both games are complete for the each sytem to give a final comparision.
These pics aren\'t that much different, don\'t act like the X-BOX ones are so much better, and why do you act like your special
-
Originally posted by EThugg
.....mmmmm... PS2 IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO DEV FOR!!! I give 2 ****s about you saviour the vector units. Saturn had plenty of great chips that developers didnt use cause IT WAS TOO ****ING DIFFICULT! And like Saturn vs PSX, developers WILL flock to the easier and more powerful system to develop for, and this time, there are 2! GameCube and XB both are a walk in the park compared to the developers nightmare that is PS2. I know PS2 games will get better looking, but not better looking than GC or XB....
Saturn vs PSX was a different situation and only a "genius":rolleyes: like you could think in a different way !
Do you think developers will skip PS2 ? Why? because X-Box is easier to develop for ? :laughing: You\'re a moron! Square are developing 23 Games only for PS2! Why? isn\'t X-Box 3 times more powerful and Far easier to develop for :D ...and Konami ? why 70% of their resource in the coming years are going to PSX and PS2? and
Namco? They will skip PS2 because of the complexity of the hardware? PS2 will reach an installed base of 20
millions units by the time X-Box and GC will be released worldwide...so...instead of developing for the most successful console (PS2 :D),developers will skip PS2 in favour of GC(younger market) and X-Box(no on-line capabilities until late 2002,0 user base,0 innovation) because both are easier to develop for ? You are a true Genius :laughing:
PS2 was a nightmare to develop for at first...difficult just now but with extra time it will get easier because software improves! SOFTWARE IMPROVES MORON
Try to close my mouth fanboy, I sing praises for any deserving system or game, and PS2\'s innards and comparative capabilities are UNWORTHY OF PRAISE.
I didn\'t try to close your mouth...I\'ve closed your mouth Fanboy! :D
...your arguments are so unproductive...
[/B]
-
Originally posted by BizioEE
Saturn vs PSX was a different situation and only a "genius":rolleyes: like you could think in a different way !
Do you think developers will skip PS2 ? Why? because X-Box is easier to develop for ? :laughing: You\'re a moron! Square are developing 23 Games only for PS2! Why? isn\'t X-Box 3 times more powerful and Far easier to develop for :D ...and Konami ? why 70% of their resource in the coming years are going to PSX and PS2? and
Namco? They will skip PS2 because of the complexity of the hardware? PS2 will reach an installed base of 20
millions units by the time X-Box and GC will be released worldwide...so...instead of developing for the most successful console (PS2 :D),developers will skip PS2 in favour of GC(younger market) and X-Box(no on-line capabilities until late 2002,0 user base,0 innovation) because both are easier to develop for ? You are a true Genius :laughing:
PS2 was a nightmare to develop for at first...difficult just now but with extra time it will get easier because software improves! SOFTWARE IMPROVES MORON
I didn\'t try to close your mouth...I\'ve closed your mouth Fanboy! :D
...your arguments are so unproductive...
I have found another definition for fanboy, and you are truely it.... As I said before, 15+of those Square games are remakes, rereleases, or just pure ****. Only a few will be worth buying. And Square might be a XB developer eventually. Sony didn\'t have every developer from day one of PSone. And all of Konamis good games will be on XB and enhanced beyond what the weak PS2 versions can do. Namco? You mean they make good games outside of 2 shallow arcade series\'?
XB will have online by the same time PS2 does, and no system that isn\'t out has a user base moron. GameCube has a 0 userbase right now. If developers wanted to only work only on the most popular system, they\'d drop PS2 and grab a GBA, the fastest selling system in history. Again, I know the software will improve, but NEVER BEYOND GC OR XB.....EVER! Its a simple fact with newer and better technology that you fanboys seem to miss.
No arguments an a MB about a game system are \'productive\', just fun, and you haven\'t prooved a SINGLE point of mine wrong with your idiotic rambling. :D
-
15+of those Square games are remakes, rereleases, or just pure ****.
Complete and utter BS. The only remakes Square has announced is FFVII-FFIX. 3, out of the 15 you claim. You hate Square but leave the BS outta here.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
-
Originally posted by datamage
Complete and utter BS. The only remakes Square has announced is FFVII-FFIX. 3, out of the 15 you claim. You hate Square but leave the BS outta here.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
Only 3 remakes? Oh yes, only 3, I\'m sorry I even mentioned it! :rolleyes: 3 remakes are 3 too many. And as I said, \'or just pure ****\'. And I\'m right. Driving Emotion Type-S, baseball, and other misc. Jap crap are perfect prior examples, a lot of those games they announced will be ****. And there\'s no guarantee that all 23 games will make it out of Japan even. I stand by everything I said.
-
Only 3 remakes? Oh yes, only 3, I\'m sorry I even mentioned it! 3 remakes are 3 too many. And as I said, \'or just pure ****\'. And I\'m right. Driving Emotion Type-S, baseball, and other misc. Jap crap are perfect prior examples, a lot of those games they announced will be ****. And there\'s no guarantee that all 23 games will make it out of Japan even. I stand by everything I said.
Well, 3 is nowhere near the 15 you said. I\'m not arguing the quality of Square\'s upcoming games, but you exagerrated with your statement. I don\'t care if 20 of the 23 are crap.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
-
Originally posted by BizioEE
Do you think developers will skip PS2 ? Why? because X-Box is easier to develop for ?
Sure, why not? Practically every single known developer this side of the Twilight Zone left Nintendo because of its development difficulties. Now I understand the situation is different for the X-Box; no catridge or platform issues, no extensive liscening fees, and none of that "Dream Team" crap . But if more money and effort needs to be spent on the PS2 than on the GC or X-Box to achieve the same results, I can tell you right now that it WILL have an effect.
You\'re a moron! Square are developing 23 Games only for PS2! Why? isn\'t X-Box 3 times more powerful and Far easier to develop for :D ...and Konami ? why 70% of their resource in the coming years are going to PSX and PS2? and Namco? They will skip PS2 because of the complexity of the hardware?
How many of those 23 Square titles will turn out to be worth the money?? Like datamage mentioned, 3 of those will be ports of old games, and many more pitiful crap like Driving-Emotion and The Bouncer. Square will however, manage to sneak in gems like Bushido Blade; they\'re a respected developer for a reason, and not just for the Final Fantasy franchise. The rest of the line-up for the PS2 however, will probably consist of FF\'s. Now tell me, how many FF\'s can Square crank out in the course of let\'s say, 2 years?? And how many of those won\'t end up like FF8?? The Final Fantasy name sells systems, and to some extent the quality of them, but not Square themselves.
PS2 will reach an installed base of 20 millions units by the time X-Box and GC will be released worldwide...so...instead of developing for the most successful console (PS2 :D)
How much did that crystal ball cost you, and can you tell me where you got it from?? If you stole it from Cleo\'s basement, then don\'t bother. Now, are you willing to bet everything you stand honorable for that the PS2\'s usebase will supersede an additional 10 million in the course of less than 6 months?? Or how about your bold claim that the PS2 will be the most succesful console in the next-generation, a fact that no one will know until about 4 years from now?? BioZEE, I assure you that you will have my most pious respect if you can support any of your statements. Otherwise, you\'re just another disillusioned fanboy.
developers will skip PS2 in favour of GC(younger market) and X-Box(no on-line capabilities until late 2002,0 user base,0 innovation) because both are easier to develop for ? You are a true Genius
I won\'t deny it; one of Nintendo\'s greatest disadvantages is the public\'s consensus of them being a kiddy company, and it being true to some extent. However, Nintendo has done everything in its power to cement this crack; they have acquired Silicon Knights, Metroid and a Dungeons & Dragons themed RPG is being worked by Retro, rumors of a Shining Force game are trickling, and Miyamoto has said himself that the next Mario and Zelda will have more mature settings.
IMO, on-line capabilities for consoles won\'t hit full gear until a few more years down the road. Setting up new ISP\'s, connections, and broad-band options won\'t happen for any console any time soon. And about X-Box having no innovation?? Just like how the EE sent shockwaves through the computer industry for its revolutionary performance, or how TTT and Dynasty Warriors 2 shattered all records for their respective genres?? I suppose having practically the same controller as the PSX and having two controller ports should be counted as the greatest things since sliced bread. Hey, the GC is shaped like a lunch box!! Look out, world!! Give me a damn break.
PS2 was a nightmare to develop for at first...difficult just now but with extra time it will get easier because software improves! SOFTWARE IMPROVES MORON
[/B]
Really now?? Just like how the N64 became a walk-in-the-park at the end of its lifespan, when unbelievable software like CBFD and PD came to be?? I won\'t go as far as to say that development issues for the PS2 won\'t ease down, but it will be a harder task that most think (the GC and X-Box being a much more enjoyable development experience makes it that much worse).
-
BRAVO!!! """"Hyper"""" BRAVO!!!!!!
Couldn\'t have said it better myself.
-
Originally posted by EThugg
I have found another definition for fanboy, and you are truely it.... As I said before, 15+of those Square games are remakes, rereleases, or just pure ****. Only a few will be worth buying.
This is only your BS opinion and I think nobody does care about it ! Pointless as your usual :)
And Square might be a XB developer eventually. Sony didn\'t have every developer from day one of PSone. And all of Konamis good games will be on XB and enhanced beyond what the weak PS2 versions can do.
IHHH so you are right and Kojima wrong when he says that X-Box can do only slight improvements in Graphics and nothing more ? so a moron like you is right and Kojima wrong ? :)
From what I know MGSX is only an hybrid version,a transition between MGS1 and MGS2...and you? what do you know about MGSX? Tell me...I\'m waiting...
...pointless...like your usual !
Namco? You mean they make good games outside of 2 shallow arcade series\'?
...again...only your moronic opinion and pointless like your usual...
I think Tekken 4,Soul Calibur 2,AC 4,The New Moto GP(Namco is developing 12 games for PS2) are something more than some shallow arcade series....
...you are so funny :)
XB will have online by the same time PS2 does, and no system that isn\'t out has a user base moron.
X-Box will have on-line games at Launch ? (...I meant that!) Nope! ...maybe on late 2002...
GameCube has a 0 userbase right now. If developers wanted to only work only on the most popular system, they\'d drop PS2 and grab a GBA, the fastest selling system in history.
ihhhh ....are you joking? did I say developers will develop only for the most popular system? :laughing:
...I said that developers will never skip one of the most popular system ! don\'t you agree ? Aren\'t developers interested on Money ? ......? EThugg ?
Again, I know the software will improve, but NEVER BEYOND GC OR XB.....EVER! Its a simple fact with newer and better technology that you fanboys seem to miss.
Did I say PS2 will get better than GC or X-Box because Softwere improves ? :rolleyes:
I said that developing for PS2 will get easier because software improves....and that AA via software,potentially,could look better than the raw FSAA via hardare(which is easy to do and takes less performance hit)
You are the only FanBoy here...and you are so BS and Blind that you can\'t understand what People say !
No arguments an a MB about a game system are \'productive\', just fun, and you haven\'t prooved a SINGLE point of mine wrong with your idiotic rambling. :D
Are you sure? :rolleyes:
...and you? What did you prove? .....to BE A BIG FOOL :D ? !
[/B]
-
Originally posted by BizioEE
This is only your BS opinion and I think nobody does care about it ! Pointless as your usual :)
*****Buy all the ****ty games you want, just don\'t brag about it like a moron, and incase yoiu missed it, most people think I can kick your ass ;)
IHHH so you are right and Kojima wrong when he says that X-Box can do only slight improvements in Graphics and nothing more ? so a moron like you is right and Kojima wrong ? :)
From what I know MGSX is only an hybrid version,a transition between MGS1 and MGS2...and you? what do you know about MGSX? Tell me...I\'m waiting...
...pointless...like your usual !
******You just said it, Kojima himself has said XB will be better. I\'m not going to argue semantics, he said it was better, and SHX would be enhanced, meaning, including extras the PS2 can\'t handle! And from what you can tell means ****. You don\'t have any clue what MGSX will be. I do know for a fact, what ever it is, it will be a better version of it.
...again...only your moronic opinion and pointless like your usual...
I think Tekken 4,Soul Calibur 2,AC 4,The New Moto GP(Namco is developing 12 games for PS2) are something more than some shallow arcade series....
...you are so funny :)
****Funny or not, none of those are deep games, they\'re all shallow arcadey games. Argue till your blue in the face, it changes nothing.
X-Box will have on-line games at Launch ? (...I meant that!) Nope! ...maybe on late 2002...
****You have no ****ing idea what your talking about
ihhhh ....are you joking? did I say developers will develop only for the most popular system? :laughing:
...I said that developers will never skip one of the most popular system ! don\'t you agree ? Aren\'t developers interested on Money ? ......? EThugg ?
******Yes, but the cost and difficulty in developing for PS2 will make it a less desirable prospect, and anyone who thinks XB won\'t be popular, and will fail, doesnt know **** about the industry or MS. Or even Sony\'s own history.
Did I say PS2 will get better than GC or X-Box because Softwere improves ? :rolleyes:
I said that developing for PS2 will get easier because software improves....and that AA via software,potentially,could look better than the raw FSAA via hardare(which is easy to do and takes less performance hit)
You are the only FanBoy here...and you are so BS and Blind that you can\'t understand what People say !
*****You implied it at the very least. Developing won\'t get that much easier. I think you got your tech info from a garbage man. Software AA will take a much bigger hit than hw AA. Even the mods have admitted as much. Showing your true fanboy colors again....
Are you sure? :rolleyes:
...and you? What did you prove? .....to BE A BIG FOOL :D ? !
*****I\'m eternally sorry that you can\'t realise when your wrong.... I\'ve been 100% correct on everything I\'ve said fanboy. The fool is you.
-
I\'m sorry, but if you two keep going on like that, you\'re both fools, stop the pointless bragging, do you really think that in the end the other will say: "You convinced me, you\'re right"?
-
Sure, why not? Practically every single known developer this side of the Twilight Zone left Nintendo because of its development difficulties.
Incorrect. Cartridge limitations, licensing fees, and the big N\'s anal grasp on game content are the reasons developers left Nintendo. Square walked away the second the cartridge format was announced. In the beginning it had nothing to do with development difficulty.
Really now?? Just like how the N64 became a walk-in-the-park at the end of its lifespan, when unbelievable software like CBFD and PD came to be?? I won\'t go as far as to say that development issues for the PS2 won\'t ease down, but it will be a harder task that most think (the GC and X-Box being a much more enjoyable development experience makes it that much worse).
The difference, is that on the PS2 the benefits will be much greater than on the N64. The N64 was a total piece of sh!t. To me, Mario64 is still the best looking game, and it was the first game. Go figure.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
-
Originally posted by EThugg
...again...only your moronic opinion and pointless like your usual...
I think Tekken 4,Soul Calibur 2,AC 4,The New Moto GP(Namco is developing 12 games for PS2) are something more than some shallow arcade series....
...you are so funny
****Funny or not, none of those are deep games, they\'re all shallow arcadey games. Argue till your blue in the face, it changes nothing.
...did I say Tekken 4 or AC4 will be deep games? they are not but I\'m sure they will be great in their respective category...what\'s your point buffoon? Can\'t you enjoy playing an arcade game or a "not-deep" game ? Tell me FanBoy! :D
*****Buy all the ****ty games you want, just don\'t brag about it like a moron, and incase yoiu missed it, most people think I can kick your ass
Who? most people? maybe some BS X-Troll like you or someone who doesn\'t like Sony :D ?!
*****I\'m eternally sorry that you can\'t realise when your wrong.... I\'ve been 100% correct on everything I\'ve ........
Do you know that even schizophrenics do really think they are always Right ? :D
-----------------------------------------------------
Next Time could you use correctly the "" ...you did a big confusion last time :)
...but bear This in mind...it\'s the last time I answer you...it\'s a waste of Time ! Adios ! :) no rancour :D
-
Originally posted by BizioEE
Who? most people? maybe some BS X-Troll like you or someone who doesn\'t like Sony :D ?!
Do you know that even schizophrenics do really think they are always Right ? :D
-----------------------------------------------------
Next Time could you use correctly the "" ...you did a big confusion last time :)
...but bear This in mind...it\'s the last time I answer you...it\'s a waste of Time ! Adios ! :) no rancour :D [/B]
Everyone was free to vote, and I stuck up for you even, but most people would bet on me. :p
...Schizophrenic? What are you talking about even?
I don\'t have to use the quotes... the asterisk\'s were easy enough for a monke.... uhhh, small child to understand. :D
If you don\'t answer, fine, but it means you admit defeat. Hahahahaha... submit weakling! :D
-
Originally posted by datamage
Incorrect. Cartridge limitations, licensing fees, and the big N\'s anal grasp on game content are the reasons developers left Nintendo. Square walked away the second the cartridge format was announced. In the beginning it had nothing to do with development difficulty.
[/B]
Contrary to popular belief, Square did not walk away the second that Nintendo announced their future usage of catridges. Square tried out what benefits the grey plastics could offer them, and went as far as to release early FF7 screenshots for the N64. They realized soon afterwards however, that catridges placed too much of a strain in developing their desired massive RPG. So they left Sony in favor of the CD format. There was still a possibility that they would develop games for the Game Boy, but that threshold of hope was cut into pieces when Nintendo flamed Square for "betrayal" and that "the almighty Mario does not need RPG\'s to win," virtually enstranging the company forever.
When sales dropped, Nintendo did change their buisness practices; Goldeneye and RE2 were released with blood and gore in full force, and I presume that the licensing fees were sustantially lowered. However, it was the development difficulties that mainly drove developers away from the N64. To achieve effects like FMV on the system, one needed to overcome incredible obstacles like space limitations and excessive expenses. Had Nintendo opted to use CD\'s, we wouldn\'t even be hearing about the PS2 right now.
The difference, is that on the PS2 the benefits will be much greater than on the N64. The N64 was a total piece of sh!t. To me, Mario64 is still the best looking game, and it was the first game. Go figure.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
I can\'t argue right now how much benefit the PS2 can offer over the GC of the X-Box, as I have yet to see their peak performances. But IMO, all the next-generation consoles will probably be on the same scale. No drastic differences like in the N64 and PSX. However, if a developer needs to work 24/7 to pull off a tiny advantage on the PS2, while equal advanced effects can be accomplished with ease on the GC or the X-Box, well then I guess that\'s not much of an advantage.
-
No drastic differences like in the N64 and PSX.
Oh boy, your going to be eating those words of yours, when XBOX and GC comeout.
However, if a developer needs to work 24/7 to pull off a tiny advantage on the PS2, while equal advanced effects can be accomplished with ease on the GC or the X-Box, well then I guess that\'s not much of an advantage.
What are you talking about, oh yeah that\'s right your a FANBOY, it\'s the only way your statement makes sense.
-
Contrary to popular belief, Square did not walk away the second that Nintendo announced their future usage of catridges. Square tried out what benefits the grey plastics could offer them, and went as far as to release early FF7 screenshots for the N64
Nope.The only 3D shots Square ever showed of FF, were made on a SGI machine. Square\'s developers were merely practicing their 3D skills. Everyone assumed they were for the N64, but they were not.
I can\'t argue right now how much benefit the PS2 can offer over the GC of the X-Box, as I have yet to see their peak performances
I really wasn\'t comparing the PS2 to the other consoles since we\'re not 100% sure of what they\'re capable of. What I meant, is that the hard work put into the PS2 will pay off more-so than it ever would have on the N64. The N64 was practically maxxed out from the beginning.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
-
Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Oh boy, your going to be eating those words of yours, when XBOX and GC comeout.
[/B]
I guess everyone\'s entitled to their own opinions. To me, there were dramatic differences between the N64 and the PSX. First off, the platform was completely parallel; Nintendo utilized catridges, while Sony went with CD\'s. All the next-generation consoles however, will be using some form of DVD. The N64 never had a mass amount of developers to begin with, while the PSX had pretty much everyone in their bandwagon. The GC, X-Box, and the PS2 will all be garnering about equal amount of developer support. The N64 and PSX relied on completely different system architecture, resulting in different graphics, gameplay, and audio. This time around, the consoles will only have certain advantages over each other. 10, 000 million polygons or not, what we will see on our television, IMO, won\'t be as different as it was the last generation. I could go on and on with this list. I\'d appreciate it though OGodly, it you could tell me why I\'d be eating my words come the GC and X-Box launches.
[QUOTE[
What are you talking about, oh yeah that\'s right your a FANBOY, it\'s the only way your statement makes sense. [/QUOTE]
I try my best not to resemble a fanboy, but think as you will. If you must call me one though, I\'d be thankful if you could give out reasons so that I may improve in the future. Now, I\'ve read over what you were confused on, and I apologize for wording it so awkwardly. What I meant was that all three next-gen consoles will have distinct advantages. But from what I can judge based on existing information, the PS2\'s difficult development system will hinder developers from making full use of its advantages. The GC and the X-Box however, because of their simpler development system, will allow developers to make use of their special benefits easier. I hope that clears up a few things.
-
Originally posted by datamage
Nope.The only 3D shots Square ever showed of FF, were made on a SGI machine. Square\'s developers were merely practicing their 3D skills. Everyone assumed they were for the N64, but they were not.
{/QUOTE]
I see. So those pics were never in-game?? I stand corrected then.
I really wasn\'t comparing the PS2 to the other consoles since we\'re not 100% sure of what they\'re capable of. What I meant, is that the hard work put into the PS2 will pay off more-so than it ever would have on the N64. The N64 was practically maxxed out from the beginning.
But what if the same amount of hard work was put into the GC or the X-Box?? I guess we\'ll find out how these consoles do in the yeares to come. Oh, and I wouldn\'t say that the N64 was maxxed out from the beginning. Unless my eyes don\'t deceive me, I\'d say Perfect Dark and Conker look much better than Mario 64.
-
Dont\' forget, most people had the mem pack add on by then... you really needed it for PD.
Also, I think we\'re nowhere near the best PS2 quality yet. GT3\'s screens look as good as the XBOX TD screens. Lastly, lets just wait and see if the freedom/complexity of the PS2 beats the power/rigidity of the Xbox.
By wait and see, I mean a couple o\' years.
-
Hey, call me blind, but from what I see here, the pics look pretty much the same. Heck, if you didn\'t head the Ps2 version pics then I would have thought they were Xbox ones.
-
I see. So those pics were never in-game?? I stand corrected then.
I was trying to find the screenshots, but I wasn\'t able to. Perhaps later I\'ll do another search. If I recall, those shots look superior to anything the PSX or N64 could do. Like I said, it was just a demo Square did to show in what direction they were headed.
Oh, and I wouldn\'t say that the N64 was maxxed out from the beginning. Unless my eyes don\'t deceive me, I\'d say Perfect Dark and Conker look much better than Mario 64.
I wouldn\'t say 100% of the N64 was used w/Mario. Though with 100,000 polygons per sec and very limited texture usage, there\'s only so much you can do on that horrible machine. Conker does look nicer, and so does PD, but the framerate suffers considerably in PD. Mario used decent textures, a decent resolution, and ran @ a constant framerate. Also had somewhat decent music. Most of those factors are missing in other N64 games.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
-
Originally posted by datamage
I was trying to find the screenshots, but I wasn\'t able to.
Here you go (courtesy of Gamefan-RIP):
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dijital-underground.com%2Fimages%2FFF71.gif&hash=cea0bd390f2e4a2509d8cdfcd0a82831030df246)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fethugg.homestead.com%2Ffiles%2FFF72.gif&hash=cf117ad9f09fee6bba32e895c716e1dca2e6d26b)
-
Ethugg;
Yup that\'s it. I have that issue of Gamefan, I just don\'t have a scanner. I also have another issue that follows up on that one, and explains the FF deal.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
Thanks for posting it.
-
Originally posted by datamage
Ethugg;
Yup that\'s it. I have that issue of Gamefan, I just don\'t have a scanner. I also have another issue that follows up on that one, and explains the FF deal.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
Thanks for posting it.
If you know the issue of the follow up, I can scan that if I have it.
-
I thought Square and Nintendo is a never-ending story................but SONY........