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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: on April 24, 2001, 09:27:26 PM
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When will we see anti-aliasing in PS2 games. I think it\'s one reason why Dreamcast games look so much better right now. Dreamcast has realtime anti-aliasing that smooths out the jaggies. I just read a preview of Crazy Taxi for PS2 at gamespot.com. The writer said that the PS2 version was virtually identical in every way except for the jaggies. If worse comes to worse, I guess I can fork over a hundred bucks for a Dreamcast before they\'re all sold out.
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When will we see anti-aliasing in PS2 games
Sony being the genius that they are decided when making the psx2 that they would use software AA, which was a BIG MISTAKE. You see software AA will and I REPEAT Will never be as good as XBOX\'s HARDWARE FSAA. In order for psx2 games to use AA well, a great performance hit must be taken on the game itself.
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*sigh*...i won\'t even bother.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Sony being the genius that they are decided when making the psx2 that they would use software AA, which was a BIG MISTAKE. You see software AA will and I REPEAT Will never be as good as XBOX\'s HARDWARE FSAA. In order for psx2 games to use AA well, a great performance hit must be taken on the game itself.
It may be harder for the developers, but I think software AA was a good idea. It gives the developers something that they can\'t get on the Xbox, flexibility. They can do whatever they can think of on the PS2, but on the Xbox, it is just one set way that can\'t be changed. Developers will be able to get exactly what they want from the PS2, with a little more effort of course.
Some developers have solved the AA problem (Polymorph with GT3), while others are still struggling with it (Acclaim with Crazy Taxi). So the Xbox does have the advantage there.
And Nplayer-2, I think it\'s time for you to be quiet. You are just making a fool out of yourself.
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actully...if you put that much time and effort in your post in response to the moronic and idiotic post ugly put up then....well...you are a fool as well;)
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What was so moronic about it? Both kjin70 and TheOgodlyThing made some good points about how the PS2 has harder to program AA. Just because they said something bad about the PS2 doesn\'t mean their post is "moronic and idiotic."
And why do you even care Nplayer-2? I thought you moved on to Computers, or did you switch your entertainment-machine loyalty once again? (I\'m not surprised)
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you know me...i want attention..look at me!!!! LOOK AT ME!!!!:laughing:
It\'s the way he wrote it....he sounds like he knows NOTHING about the AA PS2 can acheive(which you proved to be a fact)...and sounds like a complete fanboy(which he is)
I do not play on my consoles no more(well..i must admit i\'m playing paper mario:D)....PC is the way to go...i hope my next system is a 2000Mhz Pentium4;)
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Sony being the genius that they are decided when making the psx2 that they would use software AA, which was a BIG MISTAKE. You see software AA will and I REPEAT Will never be as good as XBOX\'s HARDWARE FSAA. In order for psx2 games to use AA well, a great performance hit must be taken on the game itself.
Quit it already. Nowhere in his post did he compare the PS2 to X-box or mentioned the X-box in any way. Your motives here are being shown quite clearly. And guess what? No one gives a sh!t.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Sony being the genius that they are decided when making the psx2 that they would use software AA, which was a BIG MISTAKE. You see software AA will and I REPEAT Will never be as good as XBOX\'s HARDWARE FSAA. In order for psx2 games to use AA well, a great performance hit must be taken on the game itself.
...do you understand questions ? He asked when PS2-games will use FSAA ? ....the answer is : look at GT3 and FFX and then 5 letters and one number(GT3FFX) are enough to explain this issue !
x-box? Did someone ask anything about x-box? ...tell me...
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Get the **** off Ogodly\'s back. He was just drawing a comparison. Fanboys get so worked up when you point out a area PS2 is inferior.... too bad, cause it is. Get over it. PS2 sucks for FSAA period, like it or not.
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Xbox certainly has the advantage there and I can\'t help being a little disappointed with software AA (and even that is hard to get for some developers). I like the DC/Xbox approch a whole lot more. :)
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ermmm... could someone explain the consept behind "ps2 software AA".
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I just want to tell you all my opinion on AA!
Belive me when I say that hardware AA is ****!!
Why? Well do you think we will have AA in the Next generation of consoles? (X-box2, PS3)
Of course not, we dont need it then, the PS2 is a step in that direction. In the furure all chips will be software controlled, I dont now how many times I have to say this:
The PS2 is a step right in to the future, x-box is 20 years back.
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Of course not, we dont need it then, the PS2 is a step in that direction. In the furure all chips will be software controlled, I dont now how many times I have to say this:
The PS2 is a step right in to the future, x-box is 20 years back.
Regardless weather it\'s in the right direction or not, just look at PSX2’s AA, it will never be able to compete with NGC, or XBOX\'s FSAA, why cause they are using hardware AA which yields allot better results. Sony made mistakes when making the psx2, and not implementing Hardware AA was one of them. Now if you truly believe that software AA is the future, then if so, now was not the time to go about it, when out software is not sophisticated enough to really take advantage of it, cause if it was we would being seeing the results, which we will not. As it stands right now, HARDWARE AA is the best.
Oh and if XBOX is 20 years back, then PSX2 must be at the time of my grandpa.
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Originally by N-PLAYER in a prevoius thread
So my dear ugly...everytime you respond to my post every time any one of you xbox zealots responds...you are doing exactly what I want you to do..ha ha ha
Yet here you are N-PLAYER in the exact same postion as the your fellow xbox zealots.
you know me...i want attention..look at me!!!! LOOK AT ME!!!!
FUNNY you mention that, cause that\'s what all your threads, and your presence here is all ABOUT. Like I suggested to you before, go outside and get some friends it will do you good. Plus that way you can leave this site and MSXBOX alone, cause the really sad part is that everyone here scorns at your presence, yet you so desperately try to gain there attention.
It\'s the way he wrote it....he sounds like he knows NOTHING about the AA PS2 can acheive(which you proved to be a fact)...and sounds like a complete fanboy(which he is)
I do not play on my consoles no more(well..i must admit i\'m playing paper mario)....PC is the way to go...i hope my next system is a 2000Mhz Pentium4
*sigh*...this was too easy-(originally said by N-player)
Originally by N-player in a previous post
the same people always come to my threads.....always use their same tactics..always try and "put me down
Just like you do, with with me and M4 etc...
Originally by N-player in a previous post
please get a life...this thread was just to prove to a certain person(N-Player) how pathetic and ridiculous the "hatred" for me is....
LOL, LOL need i say more, you just fell in your own trap dumbass!!!!
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Regardless weather it\'s in the right direction or not, just look at PSX2’s AA, it will never be able to compete with NGC, or XBOX\'s FSAA, why cause they are using hardware AA which yields allot better results. Sony made mistakes when making the psx2, and not implementing Hardware AA was one of them. Now if you truly believe that software AA is the future, then if so, now was not the time to go about it, when out software is not sophisticated enough to really take advantage of it, cause if it was we would being seeing the results, which we will not. As it stands right now, HARDWARE AA is the best.
I don\'t think you understood what Bossieman was trying to say. I think he was saying that in the future, AA won\'t even be needed. I think it will even happen before the PS3. I think between the middle and the end of the PS2\'s life, we will start seeing games that don\'t even need AA because of how the game\'s graphics are done.
And people complain that Sony isn\'t innovative. :p The PS2 is the only innovative, truely new console coming out for a long time.
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Look how great XBoxes AA looks in this pic! My point exactly! :)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.dailyradar.com%2Fimages%2Fxbox%2Ffeatures%2F0420lotus2.JPG&hash=40aa5b30cef5548294558e3ff50f3a69a83365f4)
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Originally posted by IronFist
I don\'t think you understood what Bossieman was trying to say. I think he was saying that in the future, AA won\'t even be needed. I think it will even happen before the PS3. I think between the middle and the end of the PS2\'s life, we will start seeing games that don\'t even need AA because of how the game\'s graphics are done.
And people complain that Sony isn\'t innovative. :p The PS2 is the only innovative, truely new console coming out for a long time.
What crack are you 2 smoking? Let me get this strait.... it\'s NOT better to have FSAA avalible on the hardware instead of wasting GPU power? It\'s NOT better to make developers lives a bit easier?
Please give me a example of how future games will be done that will render AA obsolete. You cant cause it wont. And PS2, as nice as it is, is NOT innovative in ANY way. And fyi, I dont think XB or GC are either, so I\'m not being unfair.
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The PS2 will be a step behind in the FSAA department
I think top developers will master it but the rest will alwyas struggle
Maybe things will change but so far there is only a proportion of PS2 developers getting any real expected performance out of the PS2
Even lesser devs on Xbox and GC will have better looking games do to simplicity of hardware effects
Time will tell but early on the PS2 is a Mountain that is still being climbed.
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Originally by Claypool 2001
Look how great XBoxes AA looks in this pic! My point exactly!
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.dailyradar.com%2Fimages%2Fxbox%2Ffeatures%2F0420lotus2.JPG&hash=40aa5b30cef5548294558e3ff50f3a69a83365f4)
Are you on something, that pic you just posted is not using FSAA. So you wanna play hard ball, ok let me have a stab at this:
Let\'s take a look at PSX2 AA, shall we, here we go
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fps2media.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Ftestdrive%2Ftestdrive_3.jpg&hash=2ccc7315a86f13cb182b07c67d687bc8370166ee)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fps2media.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Ftestdrive%2Ftestdrive_7.jpg&hash=15870b5d75428a5037d72cca1710ae2469f53980)
XBOX with AA
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Ftestdrive%2Fbg09.jpg&hash=d6e3ead542c9d529bcde59246c599340017a6c37)
Just to make it clear, those psx2 pics were not using AA, just like the xbox pic Claypool 2001 posted.
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The PS2 will be a step behind in the FSAA department
I think top developers will master it but the rest will alwyas struggle
Maybe things will change but so far there is only a proportion of PS2 developers getting any real expected performance out of the PS2
Even lesser devs on Xbox and GC will have better looking games do to simplicity of hardware effects
Time will tell but early on the PS2 is a Mountain that is still being climbed.
Wow amazing somehere is actually telling the truth instead of making **** up about PSX2 FSAA being superiour to XBOX\'s and GC.
As for PSX2 they did very nice job with the FSAA on GT3.
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Originally posted by EThugg
Please give me a example of how future games will be done that will render AA obsolete. You cant cause it wont. And PS2, as nice as it is, is NOT innovative in ANY way. And fyi, I dont think XB or GC are either, so I\'m not being unfair.
The logical answer is: On hyper-advanced consoles of the future, you just crank up the resolution and the jaggies become invisible, so why bother with Anti Aliasing? Of course this doesn\'t apply to the PS2, which must maintain compatibility with old NTSC resolution TVs.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
As for PSX2 they did very nice job with the FSAA on GT3.
At least we know it\'s possible. Thats the most important thing
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I hope for the sake of the x-box that the games will be running @ 60fps. There\'s no excuse.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Are you on something, that pic you just posted is not using FSAA.
SORRY, I didnt know, it didnt say anywhere that it wasnt on, but why wouldnt you make a screen shot of your game that your trying to sell and not use the AA feature since its so good?
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SORRY, I didnt know, it didnt say anywhere that it wasnt on, but why wouldnt you make a screen shot of your game that your trying to sell and not use the AA feature since its so good?
First off I apologize, I thought you were trying to pose that shot as a game using FSAA purposely. Second the reason they have not implemented FSAA is because it\'s too early into development, give them some time, they will use it eventually.
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(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psera.com%2Ffile-bin%2Fpreviews%2F000018-2.jpg&hash=24b20b07819cc08f398a8501d9ac502d06e8211f)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psera.com%2Ffile-bin%2Fpreviews%2F000018-3.jpg&hash=f9658fb1b240cd8e35a8c39650181edf312e475b)
PS2 doesn\'t need FSAA via Hardware...
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LOL, Keep dreaming there bud, keep dreaming. If you think that the GETAWAY will look exactly like those pics you posted, then you are going to be very dissapointed when the game is released. Hell i\'m not even going to bother to get into why PSX2 cannot produce those kind of textures, etc.... SOmeone else plese take this one
And people ***** about microsoft releasing fake pics. Those pics are not what the real game looks like.
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Um... I wouldn\'t rely too much on those Getaway screens...
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
LOL, Keep dreaming there bud, keep dreaming. If you think that the GETAWAY will look exactly like those pics you posted, then you are going to be very dissapointed when the game is released. Hell i\'m not even going to bother to get into why PSX2 cannot produce those kind of textures, etc.... SOmeone else plese take this one
LOL,
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psx2.com%2Fmedia%2Ffinalfantasyx%2Fbattle-04.jpg&hash=d3c36a3ae42df005d9ac8e7752ea432ae515a4a6)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psx2.com%2Fmedia%2Ffinalfantasyx%2Fyuna-10.jpg&hash=ffa725df8be8d122d40979d5faee5dd613ddb4a1)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psx2.com%2Fmedia%2Ffinalfantasyx%2Fkimari-05.jpg&hash=85a099146fe5f502dccbf54cb488d56ec453720f)
...do you want I post some GT3 pics? :D
so...please...follow this thread...I mean...will we see FSAA on PS2 games? The answer is "YES" ! ...look at some beautiful games coming(wait until E3 :D)....
so...tell me...why some PC-Zealots like you come here to speak about X-Box ?
Can you understand what a Thread ask you?
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According to UK PSM2 the European version of Tekken Tag Tournament uses FSAA!
BizioEE: You killed him there ;)
/FAST
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so...tell me...why some PC-Zealots like you come here to speak about X-Box ?
Can you understand what a Thread ask you?
Are you on Crack!!!! First off who is a PC zealot, certainly not me, cause I don\'t play PC games. You just automatically assume I’m a PC Zealot cause I’m all for XBOX, now that is just ignorant
SECOND, who ever said that PSX2 couldn\'t do AA, I know I didn’t. I think that maybe if you even bothered to read all the threads you would have seen the debate here, isn\'t weather or not PSX2 can do AA it\'s all how well it does AA, and how XBOX and GAMEGUBE\'s FSAA is by far much more superior than PSX2, which it is.
So please go back and start reading all the threads, before you bother to give me a response.
BizioEE: You killed him there
READ ABOVE, you just got yourself killed along with BizioEE, LOL, LOL isn\'t life funny!!!!
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FSAA is overrated. "at least the methods used in current hardware."
It would be better to use Edge-AA for "jaggies" and proper texture filtering to get textures more clear when triangle is tilted. This would allowe better image quality and would be faster than Quix_AA.
"tough in normal way of edge-AA one needs to render scene from front to back, "or B to F"
actualy its much faster, my old good Verite 2200 ran GP legends at 1024x768 with edge_aa at about 24fps. "card had filrate of voodoo I.. about"
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
LOL, Keep dreaming there bud, keep dreaming. If you think that the GETAWAY will look exactly like those pics you posted, then you are going to be very dissapointed when the game is released. Hell i\'m not even going to bother to get into why PSX2 cannot produce those kind of textures, etc.... SOmeone else plese take this one
Dude if there is one thing we are all sure of is the fact that you don\'t have a clue of why or what the PS2 is capable of.
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Dude if there is one thing we are all sure of is the fact that you don\'t have a clue of why or what the PS2 is capable of.
We Will See Ddaryl .
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DDaryl I don\'t mean too sound like an ass, but I think your full of it, if you believe THE GETAWAY will look that good, and I mean particularly the background then you my friend are blind.
Never the less, we will wait and see when the GETAWAY comes out, which one of us was right. I am going to copy the quote above, so that I may stick it in your face(I don’t mean to sound offence here) when the game is released, and we will see who knew what they were talking about. If I turn out to be wrong, I will accept the fact that I was talking out of my ass, and that I had no clue what I was talking about, nor any thing the PSX2 is capable of. Though I feel I am going to be the right one here, until then Ddaryl……
PS. the background is way too sharp, not only would it take a gigantic performance hit on PSX2, you would need a computer monitor to display the buildings at that resolution, and people don\'t give me this crap about NTSC 640x480 TV\'s being able to produce those resolutions. I will be absolutely shocked if the game Looks exactly like that pic on a TV, just blown away.
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I could careless wether Your wrong or I\'m right
You strut around here doing the debate thing day in and day out and act like you know somethign about the PS2\'s architexture and you don\'t
The Getaway may not look like the pics above heck those are too clean but it will come close.
Each texture is taken from a digital photograph . Show me another game that recreates a 25km area by using digital photos to abstract textures from
Your just as bad a PS2 Zealots putting down Xbox your constantly trying your very hardest to belittle the PS2 in an anal attempt to make XBox superior. ALways looking for its flaws and always on the attack cause you have to be right.
Give it a rest, people will choose what they want they will play what they want and they\'ll make up there own minds
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Once the better developers figure out the how to best code their games on the PS2, I think that the freedom of software AA will allow for greater products. I always cite the difference from FFVII\'s to FFIX\'s graphics. They were just a quantum leap ahead, though on the exact same system.
Already games (GT3, FFX) are begining to blow away the release PS2 games, and I have no doubt that it\'s only going to improve as devs figure the PS2 out. With hardware AA, then what you see now, is what you will get in 2 years. So, yeah, looks great. Lets see how it\'s stacks up in the long run!
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The Getaway may not look like the pics above heck those are too clean but it will come close.
That\'s what i was saying, it\'s not that i think PSX2 is crap, but when people post misinformation I must correct. Will the game look close, who knows, we will have to wait till they realese a downloadable video preview.
You strut around here doing the debate thing day in and day out and act like you know somethign about the PS2\'s architexture and you don\'t
I never had clamed that I am technical wiz when it comes to PSX2 hardware, but what I do know, and which you also agree upon, is that the Psx2 cannot produce those pics in real-time. (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psera.com%2Ffile-bin%2Fpreviews%2F000018-3.jpg&hash=f9658fb1b240cd8e35a8c39650181edf312e475b) This is what I was saying all along, and it doesn’t take a genius to know that PSX2 cannot create a game to match that pic Exactly. Hey Ddaryl that\'s the best screenshot taken from any video game in history, Just look how damn sharp and detailed those building are.
Your just as bad a PS2 Zealots putting down Xbox your constantly trying your very hardest to belittle the PS2 in an anal attempt to make XBox superior
Not at all, usually I would only come to these forums to read posts, I never really cared to reply, until I saw all the crap that was being posted here, like how XBOX will be $450, or how PSX2 software AA is better than XBOX, and also people who post incorrect facts about XBOX.
I could honestly care less if anyone here get XBOX or not, all I care is that I get one at launch. You never see me Creating threads saying, PSX2 sucks, or XBOX is better than PSX2. Nope, I just defend the XBOX Whenever I see bull**** posted about it. Take this thread for example, BizioEE posts GETAWAY PICS saying psx2 doesn’t need AA, and using fake pics(yes they are fake, if they are not from the actual in game, them are not real, like the mock up amped photo\'s) to show off PSX2 power, what a joke. LOL, oh by the way why do people bltch about mocked up photo\'s , I don\'t see anyone complaining about the super enhanced GETAWAY pics that were released in the beginning, like the one just posted here.
Anyways, that\'s just my .02 cents
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Well what do you expect on a PS2 site.
There is alot of Xbox crap here, nothing you and I can do to change that. The proof will be in the final release of the system
The Getaway will lok amazing how amazing I don\'t know
i just grow tired of the my console is better than yours or the PS2 is bad at this and that
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Well what do you expect on a PS2 site.
There is alot of Xbox crap here, nothing you and I can do to change that. The proof will be in the final release of the system
The Getaway will lok amazing how amazing I don\'t know
i just grow tired of the my console is better than yours or the PS2 is bad at this and that
AGREED!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
PS. the background is way too sharp, not only would it take a gigantic performance hit on PSX2, you would need a computer monitor to display the buildings at that resolution, and people don\'t give me this crap about NTSC 640x480 TV\'s being able to produce those resolutions.
okay, I agree with you about tose pics being supped up, but like you say, when false information is given I must correct: those pics are in fact possible on a tv, just check by right clicking on them it will say: resolution is 600, 378
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Yes, resolution wise it would be possible to show on a regular TV. It just wouldn\'t look as good/sharp of course.
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when false information is given I must correct: those pics are in fact possible on a tv, just check by right clicking on them it will say: resolution is 600, 378
Oh i agree that it\'s at that resoultion, but your forgetting one thing, in which i must CORRECT you. Those pics have been condensed, so they may have been taken at a low resoultion, but then they were sized down. Go ahead and cut and paste it in photoshop, and enlarge the pic, looks looks just like it\'s on a tv.
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Sony should have whacked in Hardware Anti Alising.
But back then the fill rate was very impressive of the ps2, so it should have done it well. As the voodoo 5 did.
Xbox will be much better.
Look at Quintex Anti Alising. Looks close to 4x AA and still a kick arse framerate on pc\'s.
But with xbox only outputting at 640x480, expect super high frame rates at all times.
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But with xbox only outputting at 640x480, expect super high frame rates at all times
Actually the XBOX will out put at much higher resoultions, easly twice that. Now it may depend on the developer weather they allow it too, but games like HALO and such will be at much higher resloution for those with PC monitors and HDTV\'s.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
I could careless wether Your wrong or I\'m right
Each texture is taken from a digital photograph . Show me another game that recreates a 25km area by using digital photos to abstract textures from
actually, I think Medal of Honar 3 is doing the same, i could be wrong, I thought I read it in the newest OPM.
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All this talk about fixed up screen shots made me real curious so I ran a test at work. I converted the posted screenshot of GETAWAY to 640x480 and imported it into software we use at the office that can then display the bitmap onto a regular NTSC television set. I wish there was a way to send you what I saw but the results were very pleasing. Of course, the clarity of the image wasn\'t as good as the posted image but it was darn close. One question though, is this a screenshot of a cutscene or actual gameplay?
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Originally posted by kjin70
One question though, is this a screenshot of a cutscene or actual gameplay?
Only the developers know.
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Hmm all I know is that this damn jaggie issue is blown way out of porportion. In the games I have for PS2 jaggies are barley noticeable. I can only see them if I\'m looking for them otherwise when in motion I can\'t see them. But yes I hope the freaking X-Box is more powerful since it is newer technology. Anyway it won\'t matter if the X-box has slighty enhanced graphics so didn\'t the N64 but it didn\'t win.
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Hmm.. I read in PSM2 that GT3 uses a res. of 1280x480.. Hmm. Sence a TV only can show 640x480 (640x512 PAL) why would GT3 use 1280x480?????
Can someone please explane? Cuz Im no tech freak!
/FAST
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Um.. here\'s a point I think just about everyone missed out on. (After all, do you really expect me to read all that garbage?) What if a better way of doing AA comes out in the next few years? FSAA is good, but you do get some lost preformance since it essencially just blurs the screen so that the little jaggie lines aren\'t individually visable.
So what if, in two years, a new form of AA comes out that results in NO texture detail loss or at least has some better options than what FSAA can provide. The PS2, by not having AA done in Hardware, can impliment this new technique easily while the Xbox will stuggle to emulate it through software. This is why the PS2 is designed the way it is... flexibility. Not just for the programmers whim, but for the future. Yeah, it might be a pain in the neck now.. but todays folly could be tomorrows genious.
Now, not to say that Sony didn\'t **** up. I think a much better idea would have been to up the power just a bit and give the designers the option to use hardware effects if they want. However Sony dosen\'t think that way. They want the PS2 to be reveloutionary, and allowing developers to become lethargic in their design practices might have set a full understanding of the machine back a few years... and thus they\'d loose the advantage of time they have now before the NGC and Xbox launches.
Not only that but (to the best of my knowlage) Sony plans to keep the basic PS2 archetecture for use in the PS3 and possibly the PS4. By making developers learn the system now, they are teaching them how to program for the longterm future of the Playstation line.
Oh, and don\'t give me any crap about the textures. That horse has been beaten to death, and like AA.. some eliet games excell at textures while most others fail. The PS2 can do awesome textures.. much more than a meesely 4mb could possibly do by conventional thinking.. but it\'s all in the implimentation.
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BINGO! SonyFan Hit the Mark !!!
Perfectly said...I think the Same ;)
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OMG, JC-21 brought up the N64 example again! :D
I had one. Goldeneye looked good, Rogue Sq. looked
good with the 4mb expansion pack and alo other games
were crappy blurry. But that\'s not the main reason why
the N64 didn\'t rule bigtime. You ppl should know why of course.....
Knotter8
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Nice try Sonyfan, but I think the words \'clutching\' and \'straws\' springs to mind. :)
I\'ll be back later! ;)
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SonyFan, that\'s a huge and unwarranted gamble for Sony to take. They made mistakes. Move on and hope developers make the best of it.
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The developers are making the best of it.
Just look at Getaway, DMC, FFX, MGS2, GT3!
One word! SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
And its gonna get better.
Sony said "GT3 is just the tip of the iceberg!"
/FAST
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Originally posted by fastson
The developers are making the best of it.
Just look at Getaway, DMC, FFX, MGS2, GT3!
One word! SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
And its gonna get better.
Sony said "GT3 is just the tip of the iceberg!"
/FAST
I agree on MGS2 and DMC, maybe even FFX, but I haven\'t seen any shots/videos of Getaway that I\'d bet money were in game. And Until I see the final GT3 personally, I\'ve only got the ****ty demo to go by, and internet pics. The internet pics dont blow away the better XB racers revealed so far, so I\'m not too impressed.
And these are the bigger developers mostly. I want to see a team as new to 3D as Oddworld get as far as fast on PS2 hardware.... I don\'t think any small developers can.
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Originally posted by EThugg
And Until I see the final GT3 personally, I\'ve only got the ****ty demo to go by, and internet pics. The internet pics dont blow away the better XB racers revealed so far, so I\'m not too impressed.
rrriiigggghhhtttttttt????????
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Originally posted by ddaryl
rrriiigggghhhtttttttt????????
What kinda question is that? And which part didn\'t you agree with? Some of the Proj.:Gotham shots look the same as GT3\'s pics...
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Originally posted by EThugg
What kinda question is that? And which part didn\'t you agree with? Some of the Proj.:Gotham shots look the same as GT3\'s pics...
If you like flat textures representing buildingings in a city block then Project Gotham is your bag
I thought it looked so-so at best even with a higher car polygon model
NOTHING from XBox so far touches GT3.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
If you like flat textures representing buildingings in a city block then Project Gotham is your bag
I thought it looked so-so at best even with a higher car polygon model
NOTHING from XBox so far touches GT3.
Funny, these Gotham pics look pretty much exactly like GT3 to me... the only thing missing is some rain effects... then again, P:G hasn\'t had over 2 years of development time....
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailyradar.com%2Fimages%2Fscreenshots%2F010313121149goth1.jpg&hash=8b42c52c6f63cc556e400eab6b5f0d84bc82465e)
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GT3 looks better
look at those building in the 1st Gotham pic. I honestly don\'t like flat textures to represent entire buildings. Gotham needs to use more polygons there
The trees are crisper in Gotham, and its cars have a higher polygon models, but higher polygon cars don\'t do much to seperate itself from GT3 at all.
We know Xbox games aren\'t on final hardware but to date Gotham doesn\'t look as good as GT3.
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I agree, those shots of project gotham were done in less than 2 weeks. Yet it already is comming close to GT3 which took 2 years, and alot of sony\'s resources to develop it.
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Exactly, give P:G 2 years of development, and it\'ll look better than GT3 could hope to.
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Exactly, give P:G 2 years of development, and it\'ll look better than GT3 could hope to.
Stop assuming. You don\'t know if Bizzare can get to the quality of GT3. And you\'re on crack if you think Project Gotham looks like GT3.
Assumptions lead nowhere. I\'m not saying P:G won\'t get there, but don\'t assume that it will. We\'ll see how things are a while from now.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Ok so now those Project Gotham shots are looking close and they\'re done in 2 weeks
Before you said this
And Until I see the final GT3 personally, I\'ve only got the ****ty demo to go by, and internet pics. The internet pics dont blow away the better XB racers revealed so far, so I\'m not too impressed
""""The interent pictures don\'t blow away the better Xbox racers""""" (this is what you said)
Better racer. You mean Project Gotham is going to have better gameplay then the heavily researched muti million dollar franchise, the 39/40 Famitsu rated, Ultimate ! racing Simulator.
Ethugg how does your shoe taste. Now you and Ogodlything have to change the subject over to the ever lame
"It was done in 2 weeks" (my ass it was)
"Give them 2 years and blah blah"
Thats not what you said in your quote so just accept the fact that you are wrong on this one. At this juction GT3 is clearly superior by internet picture standards
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Originally posted by ddaryl
"It was done in 2 weeks" (my ass it was)
The recent GT3 movies (posted by Racer in the main forum) are clearly superior to PG. However, what is the "my ass it was" comments? When shown at Gamestock, PG was 1 month old with two of those weeks with actual development kits.
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Originally posted by ho3j
The recent GT3 movies (posted by Racer in the main forum) are clearly superior to PG. However, what is the "my ass it was" comments? When shown at Gamestock, PG was 1 month old with two of those weeks with actual development kits.
I still don\'t believe it even if they swear on a stack a bibles
No way all that was tossed together, and if it was why the hell did MS bother.
You mean they couldn\'t have found some devs who\'d been working for months on a project to show off instead of a slapped together project.
I\'m not buying it. If they used an already established engine then OK, but there is still alot of work in that established engine. Just because they can port code from a PC easier doesn\'t mean that shouldn\'t be counted as work towards the game.
Saying a group of people sat down in one month wrote all this code, designed cars, and tracks, and scenery just isn\'t likely
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Oh!!! I see the problem here :) No, it was absolutely not created from the ground up in a month. It is MSR with a face-lift. Just a very fast port.
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Its good to be the King
LOL, Too bad your noooo.. KING
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I don`t believe what I hear.I believe what I SEE.
And I see that GT3 looks better and far more realistic.
All future games will have to grapple with GT3.And PG doesn`t stand a chance so far...admit it.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
That\'s what i was saying, it\'s not that i think PSX2 is crap, but when people post misinformation I must correct. Will the game look close, who knows, we will have to wait till they realese a downloadable video preview.
I never had clamed that I am technical wiz when it comes to PSX2 hardware, but what I do know, and which you also agree upon, is that the Psx2 cannot produce those pics in real-time. (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psera.com%2Ffile-bin%2Fpreviews%2F000018-3.jpg&hash=f9658fb1b240cd8e35a8c39650181edf312e475b) This is what I was saying all along, and it doesn’t take a genius to know that PSX2 cannot create a game to match that pic Exactly. Hey Ddaryl that\'s the best screenshot taken from any video game in history, Just look how damn sharp and detailed those building are.
Not at all, usually I would only come to these forums to read posts, I never really cared to reply, until I saw all the crap that was being posted here, like how XBOX will be $450, or how PSX2 software AA is better than XBOX, and also people who post incorrect facts about XBOX.
I could honestly care less if anyone here get XBOX or not, all I care is that I get one at launch. You never see me Creating threads saying, PSX2 sucks, or XBOX is better than PSX2. Nope, I just defend the XBOX Whenever I see bull**** posted about it. Take this thread for example, BizioEE posts GETAWAY PICS saying psx2 doesn’t need AA, and using fake pics(yes they are fake, if they are not from the actual in game, them are not real, like the mock up amped photo\'s) to show off PSX2 power, what a joke. LOL, oh by the way why do people bltch about mocked up photo\'s , I don\'t see anyone complaining about the super enhanced GETAWAY pics that were released in the beginning, like the one just posted here.
Anyways, that\'s just my .02 cents
LOL WE will have to wait til ps3 before we see a game thats looks like that with a sony logo behind it. I mean top developers are making ps2 games come to life, but come on ps2 will never achieve this.
And if you believe that is will. I guess fanboism is more real than I ever thought.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
I agree, those shots of project gotham were done in less than 2 weeks. Yet it already is comming close to GT3 which took 2 years, and alot of sony\'s resources to develop it.
Yes you are right, but I think that the courses look as they were ripped straight out of MRS, they look very similar (color layout is different though) . the car models are made out of 10.000 polys, but do the cars look better than GT3, HELL NO. Its not how many polys you use, its how you use them. The car models in PG look a bit distorted. I\'m not saying xbox is bad, I\'m just pointing out that xbox isn\'t the onhly console thhat can handle great graphics :)
and to ethugg
GT3 looks bad, you must be blind...it is the best looking (and playing :)) racing game to date! IMO
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Originally posted by macabre
I don`t believe what I hear.I believe what I SEE.
And I see that GT3 looks better and far more realistic.
All future games will have to grapple with GT3.And PG doesn`t stand a chance so far...admit it.
Well let\'s be fair here, GT3 has been in developement for how long now? 2 years?
Look at some of the early screen shots when the game was still called GT2000;
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Hmmmm.....
BTW, I\'m not flaming GT3 here since it looks absolutely awesome (I\'m looking forward to playing it :)), but PG is VERY early in it\'s developement, together with placeholder graphics and textures. Like GT2000/GT3, much will change between now and the game\'s launch, but IMO PG looks incredible for such early code. I do believe that PG will look far superior to GT3 when the game is complete, although whether or not it proves to be a better game remains to be seen.
Equally, upon launch, no driving game on any system will come close to matching the quality of GT3 on the PS2. However, once the XBox is released, that could all change. ;)
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This is a ingame shot of The Getaway!
The game is also in early development. (not like PG)
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And yes, this is IN GAME!
Sofar Xbox hasnt impressed me at all!!
/FAST
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Originally posted by fastson
This is a ingame shot of The Getaway!
The game is also in early development. (not like PG)
"But where have all the jaggies gone" :)
Sigh...no it\'s not INGAME. Just like the pic above, that was one of a number of rendered screenshots posted to represent how they hoped the game will appear.
Actual screenshots posted afterwards looks good, but nowhere near the quality of the early renders.
Compare the pics of the 9th September 2000 to the \'superior\' OLDER pics from 31st March 2000;
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/products/screenindex/0,11104,914419-1,00.html
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I believe ps2 can do that Getaway pics...there are more beautiful games than Getaway in which you have never seen before....Dropship,Baldur\'s Gate...bring on the movies anyone?
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Ddarryl: I found some better looking GT3 screens that arent so blurred :)
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These screens really show some power!
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Originally posted by Dr Yassam
"But where have all the jaggies gone" :)
Sigh...no it\'s not INGAME. Just like the pic above, that was one of a number of rendered screenshots posted to represent how they hoped the game will appear.
Actual screenshots posted afterwards looks good, but nowhere near the quality of the early renders.
Compare the pics of the 9th September 2000 to the \'superior\' OLDER pics from 31st March 2000;
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/products/screenindex/0,11104,914419-1,00.html
Sorry to burst your bubble but that screen is ingame, unlike the other once posted above!
/FAST
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Ok so now those Project Gotham shots are looking close and they\'re done in 2 weeks
Before you said this
""""The interent pictures don\'t blow away the better Xbox racers""""" (this is what you said)
Better racer. You mean Project Gotham is going to have better gameplay then the heavily researched muti million dollar franchise, the 39/40 Famitsu rated, Ultimate ! racing Simulator.
****I assumed a mod wasn\'t too stupid to realise we were talking about graphics. And since I h8 sim racers, I give a ddaryls ass how real a sim it is. And Famitsu is a Jap mag.... why would I care what a Jap mag (or any mag) thinks? Train and Horse Racing sims are big there too....
Ethugg how does your shoe taste. Now you and Ogodlything have to change the subject over to the ever lame
****I wouldn\'t know, I\'ve never had to eat one.
"It was done in 2 weeks" (my ass it was)
"Give them 2 years and blah blah"
Thats not what you said in your quote so just accept the fact that you are wrong on this one. At this juction GT3 is clearly superior by internet picture standards
****Its clearly a little bit better, and as I eluded to previously, At that point in GT2000\'s dev cycle, GT2000 looked worse. And P:G will look much better when released. And if I think of additional arguments l8er on that support what I\'m saying, I can add them. Get over it, I\'m never wrong. :p
And faston, while I do think thats a ingame shot of the level, those aren\'t really ingame, with AI, and actual gameplay, and its a still shot, meaning it could have bad frame rate problems.
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Originally posted by fastson
Sorry to burst your bubble but that screen is ingame, unlike the other once posted above!
It is not! It has absolutely no jaggies (like the first pic), and is comparible to the pics shown on the link I provided. At best (upon closer inspection) it may be on a PS2 devkit since the overall quality is just below that of the first pic, however it most certainly is not from the game running on the PS2 console itself. (BTW, I had to cut-n-paste your pic to get it to work!).
I have no doubt that The Getaway will look great (perhaps closer to those renders than many believe), but you\'re fooling yourself if you believe your pic is an actual ingame screenshot from the game running on the PS2.
Also, given that NO movies of this game have ever been released and that few outside of the developers have ever seen this game in action AND that it\'s been delayed until next year, suggests that this game still has a long way to go. Therefore you shouldn\'t place such blind faith in the screenshots.
As I suggested above, perhaps the final game will live up to the promise shown in the early renders, who knows, but until then, high res FSAA pics are not the actual game but represent what they hope the final game will look like.
We\'ll see in future. ;)
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Originally posted by Dr Yassam
It is not! It has absolutely no jaggies (like the first pic), and is comparible to the pics shown on the link I provided. At best (upon closer inspection) it may be on a PS2 devkit since the overall quality is just below that of the first pic, however it most certainly is not from the game running on the PS2 console itself. (BTW, I had to cut-n-paste your pic to get it to work!).
It is ingame. And you know PS2 can do FSAA in software.
This was the latest build of the game. They havent added the civilians yet.
Both PSM2 and OPS2M said these pictures are ingame.
They even got to see the game at Soho\'s office in UK.
I have no doubt that The Getaway will look great (perhaps closer to those renders than many believe), but you\'re fooling yourself if you believe your pic is an actual ingame screenshot from the game running on the PS2.
It might not be running on PS2. (PSM2 or OPS2M never said it was)
I dont know, but Im sure this is IN GAME and it will look this good, if not better.
Also, given that NO movies of this game have ever been released and that few outside of the developers have ever seen this game in action AND that it\'s been delayed until next year, suggests that this game still has a long way to go. Therefore you shouldn\'t place such blind faith in the screenshots.
Well if to very big magazines says its ingame, who should I belive?
You or the editors?
Trust me!
As I suggested above, perhaps the final game will live up to the promise shown in the early renders, who knows, but until then, high res FSAA pics are not the actual game but represent what they hope the final game will look like.
The first pictures that was posted in here are not from the game.
But the pic I posted is IN GAME action.
There are others aswell, Ill try and find them so you\'ll see!
We\'ll see in future. ;)
Yes, we\'ll see this E3!
Im ready to be blown away by Getaway!
And Im sorry about the fricking cut and paste.
You know how XOOM is :rolleyes:
/FAST
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Originally posted by fastson
Yes, we\'ll see this E3!
Im ready to be blown away by Getaway!
I hope you\'re right and the magazines too (remember, some mags believed those early screenshots were ingame!) ;)
Let\'s see what happens at E3 (which IMO will be one of the best shows EVER, for ALL gamers!).
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Impressive model!
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Is this how the characters are gonna look ingame?
Wouldnt suprise me!
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As you can see, this is the same truck model as the one I showed before.
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China town :D
Now if you dont belive me buy the PSM2 magazine with the preview of The Getaway and READ!
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Yes, nice pics, although I have seen them already (plus I live in London and know some of the locations shown! :)). I have read an article where they said the game looks excellent, but nothing which says those are actual ingame shots from the PS2 (of course, we know that for the head and truck pics :)).
This is my main point. I\'m sure the Getaway will look great, but I\'m not convinced that those screenshots are from the game running on the PS2 itself, espescially once other aspects of the game are added (characters, traffic, AI, physics, gamecode etc). I\'ll keep an open mind, but I\'m skeptical.
Hopefully, the game will be revealed at E3 (although recent news suggests this may not be the case).
As for buying PSM2...absolutely not...I\'ll just find a copy in my local store and read it there! :D
Hopefully there will be an article in an all formats magazine, since I find such sources to be more reliable and less bias (nothing against PSM2).
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Dr Y: You should have trusted me man!
Look for yourself!
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I scanned it from the magazine. (OPS2M #05)
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I N G A M E !
Need more proof?
:D
Im not like the others, I dont LIE!
/FAST
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And as I said earlier, you can also find articles from magazines that claimed the original renders were ingame screenshots also! This is not proof (well, not yet anyway!). Once I read similar information from "new" articles in "all format" magazines or websites, then I\'ll be more inclined to accept such claims. Until then...nice pics (even though they\'re a couple of months old!) ;)
I shall check out the article in PS2M, but I\'m really more interested in seeing such information in a non-PS2 magazine/website. Hence, I\'ll be grateful if you know of such an article, likewise, I\'ll let you know if I find one.
These were the most recent articles I read a few months ago;
http://www.dailyradar.co.uk/news/game_news_1823.html
http://ps2.ign.com/previews/14483.html
Both contain the SAME screenshots you\'ve shown, but neither are 100% confident on whether these are actual ingame shots (as OPS2M claims).
Anyway, this could go on forever, since we\'ve both made our points here, so let\'s leave it on hold for the time being until further information about the Getaway is revealed. Agreed? :)
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Agreed! :D
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I can\'t wait till xbox comes out, then all this BS about power and graphics will finally end.
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I can\'t wait \'til XB comes out, \'cause then I can play Munch...
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I cant wait for GT3, FFX, MGS2, DMC, Onimusha(yes I live in europe), Getaway, Dropship, Agent Under Fire, MoH Frontline ect. to come out!
Ahh.. Sweet, sweet games!
/FAST
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Originally posted by fastson
I cant wait for GT3, FFX, MGS2, DMC, Onimusha(yes I live in europe), Getaway, Dropship, Agent Under Fire, MoH Frontline ect. to come out!
Ahh.. Sweet, sweet games!
/FAST
I can\'t wait to play some of those.... poor Europeans, no Onimusha yet?
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I cannot wait til XB comes out so I can play Panzer dragoon, JSR-F, etc.
I cannot wait til VF4 comes out for PS2.
I cannot wait til Shenmue3 comes out for GC (you know its gonna happen!)
Eric Jacob
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I cannot wait til Shenmue3 comes out for GC (you know its gonna happen!)
Actually it would make more sense for Shenmue3 to come out on Xbox, considering it has a Built in HD, which a game like shenmue badly needs.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Actually it would make more sense for Shenmue3 to come out on Xbox, considering it has a Built in HD, which a game like shenmue badly needs.
Shenmue is coming to GC. IGN has done pretty much everything else but confirm it.
MGS2 is also coming to the GC for those that didn\'t know. :D
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MGS2 is also coming to the GC for those that didn\'t know.
Well your making big claims here, so please provide me with the proof. It had better not be some ****ty worthless RUMOR.
I would love to see the offical statement. Untill then it\'s all speculation. IGN has been wrong many, many times before, so be careful what you read. Anything is possible, but we will never know till we hear an offical statement.
RUMOR\'S RUMOR"S......
Shemue would totally rock on XBOX, the HD would play an enormous part in the overall quality of the game
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yes Ogodlything, it would be nice with the HD, but GC is a texture monster, no more, no less.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Well your making big claims here, so please provide me with the proof. It had better not be some ****ty worthless RUMOR.
I would love to see the offical statement. Untill then it\'s all speculation. IGN has been wrong many, many times before, so be careful what you read. Anything is possible, but we will never know till we hear an offical statement.
I\'ll talk to you in 2 weeks. Then all questions will be answered. :D
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I\'ll talk to you in 2 weeks. Then all questions will be answered.
Hell we will all be talking alot, when E3 comes round. None the less there is nothing to support your claims right now, we will have to wait.
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Originally posted by fastson
This is a ingame shot of The Getaway!
The game is also in early development. (not like PG)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmembers.nbci.com%2Ffastson%2Fps2%2Fcompare%2FTGps2.jpg&hash=e8d7f6029ecb40e09468d1dcf3a7d6e6bc698377)
And yes, this is IN GAME!
Sofar Xbox hasnt impressed me at all!!
/FAST
where is the in game shot of getaway? Face it until we see a real in game shot of getaway stop drooling over concepts. Because the game will look nothing like that.
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Originally posted by fastson
This is a ingame shot of The Getaway!
The game is also in early development. (not like PG)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmembers.nbci.com%2Ffastson%2Fps2%2Fcompare%2FTGps2.jpg&hash=e8d7f6029ecb40e09468d1dcf3a7d6e6bc698377)
And yes, this is IN GAME!
Sofar Xbox hasnt impressed me at all!!
/FAST
Stop saying that because you have no proof of this. No where else does it say this is getaway runing on ps2 hardware. Just stop lying to yourself. You can\'t even go to your favorite place of ign.ps2 and find them saying this. Until this is proven it still is concept. And nothing more than that.
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Originally posted by XBOX
Stop saying that because you have no proof of this. No where else does it say this is getaway runing on ps2 hardware. Just stop lying to yourself. You can\'t even go to your favorite place of ign.ps2 and find them saying this. Until this is proven it still is concept. And nothing more than that.
Hmm, well cant you see the artical I scanned?
In there IT SAYS its ingame!
Cant you read?
/FAST
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Originally posted by fastson
Hmm, well cant you see the artical I scanned?
In there IT SAYS its ingame!
Cant you read?
But that\'s the problem fastson, they\'ve taken the same pics shown on the internet a few months ago and today claim they\'re ingame, whereas the internet previews of the game were not so sure.
Now if PS2M or OPS2M had some new exclusive Getaway pics, then perhaps it would make for a stronger arguement.
Anyway, we\'ll know for sure soon.
No more posts from me in this thread. ;)
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Originally posted by Dr Yassam
But that\'s the problem fastson, they\'ve taken the same pics shown on the internet a few months ago and today claim they\'re ingame
Hmm.. Let me just tell you that the issue of OPS2M was released before (or right after) the pic\'s were released.
There is about 1 month delay for us in sweden to get the "newest" UK PS2 MAG.
So this issue is several months old.
If you look close you can see its ingame (small jagges edges)
/FAST
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Originally posted by fastson
Hmm.. Let me just tell you that the issue of OPS2M was released before (or right after) the pic\'s were released.
There is about 1 month delay for us in sweden to get the "newest" UK PS2 MAG.
So this issue is several months old.
If you look close you can see its ingame (small jagges edges)
/FAST
1-Official mags are NEVER trustworthy, even the best ones.
2-Having jaggies doesn\'t prove it\'s in game. It proves it a-could be in-game, b-could be fake, or c-could just be ****ty quality pics.
I believe it\'s \'a\', but it\'s also early, and isn\'t yet bogged down with full AI, physics etc.
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who cares?..................MGS2 HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!
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BizioEE... please wake up. This dream you are living where Getaway looks like that on PS2 must come to an end some time.
I just saw GT3 on PS2... and boy was I dissapointed. Not as great as the concept art led me to believe. I have no reason to believe that Getaway will be any different.
Originally posted by BizioEE
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psera.com%2Ffile-bin%2Fpreviews%2F000018-2.jpg&hash=24b20b07819cc08f398a8501d9ac502d06e8211f)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psera.com%2Ffile-bin%2Fpreviews%2F000018-3.jpg&hash=f9658fb1b240cd8e35a8c39650181edf312e475b)
PS2 doesn\'t need FSAA via Hardware...
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Originally posted by TheMistaWhoKnow
BizioEE... please wake up. This dream you are living where Getaway looks like that on PS2 must come to an end some time.
I just saw GT3 on PS2... and boy was I dissapointed. Not as great as the concept art led me to believe. I have no reason to believe that Getaway will be any different.
Did you see the final game or the demo?
And what concept art are you talking about ?
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We haven´t seen anything yet. Just wait and see what the PS2 can do. We will all look at this topic and say in 2004 that LOL we didnt think that the Getaway shots were for real back in 2001.
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bossiman, youre right, but thats not only with the ps2, its with all consoles.. once they figure out how to optomise games for each system, they can make things look alot better... hopefully then they will comeout with a sequel to getaway that looks very close to real... systems become better over time, look at psx and n64 for example...
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well, now I wouldnt say N64, that thing was maxed out by Mario64!! hahaha :D
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by Bossieman
We haven´t seen anything yet. Just wait and see what the PS2 can do. We will all look at this topic and say in 2004 that LOL we didnt think that the Getaway shots were for real back in 2001.
Precis!
Just you wait ;)
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
well, now I wouldnt say N64, that thing was maxed out by Mario64!! hahaha :D
Eric Jacob
hahaha:rolleyes:
If you think Mario 64 maxed out the N64 then you are a gimp.
PS- the Saturn, 32X, SegaCd, and DC were all flops!
This has no relevance to what\'s going on but since you like bashing Nintendo so much, I thought humiliate your favorite company for no reason.
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Originally posted by TheMistaWhoKnow
BizioEE... please wake up. This dream you are living where Getaway looks like that on PS2 must come to an end some time.
I just saw GT3 on PS2... and boy was I dissapointed. Not as great as the concept art led me to believe. I have no reason to believe that Getaway will be any different.
hahahaha. all these ps2 games look bad but ANYTHING xbox looks good right. LOL.
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hahahaha. all these ps2 games look bad but ANYTHING xbox looks good right. LOL.
Well you just said it, i would think the xbox games look better considering it\'s alot more powerful system and easier to develop for than PS2.
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Also GT3 looks good, but Gotom is already looking better with only 5 months of development time, on incomplete hardware.