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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Animal Mother on May 01, 2001, 06:08:33 PM
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Basically Microsoft is using it\'s bullying tactics. They are going to use this to take over the video game industry.
They bribed interplay into offering the Matrix for the Xbox with all this extra crap, and holding it from other consoles for atleast 6 months
Here\'s a sample of the document:
"5.3 Exclusivity. Licensee agrees that only Matrix for Xbox, and no other platform version thereof, including without limitation any Playstation 2 version thereof, shall include any online gameplay capability. Licensee further agrees that for a period of six months after the first Commercial Release of Matrix, Licensee shall not release in any Territory any interactive entertainment software product based on or related to Matrix and/or "The Matrix" or "Matrix 2" motion pictures (or further sequels to or derivative works thereof) as for any platform now known or hereafter developed, unless such product is an add-on or sequel to Matrix for the Xbox platform and approved pursuant to the terms of the Publisher Agreement."
This is SOOOOOOO Sketchy. It makes me not want an Xbox
http://ps2.ign.com/news/34075.html
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I\'ve argued with you in private, and I\'m too lazy to retype it all here, but I\'ll say this: Sony did it with MK3. Sega did it with DoA2. MS did take it a little further, but it\'s the same thing. Stop your whining. It sucks for the PS2 only (or GC only) ppl, but calling MS a bully for making a smart business decision is retarded.
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Sony could of paid to have the Matrix first, obviously Sony didn\'t want to do so.
I can\'t wait to hear all the lame MS is evil paranoia stroies
MS needs exclusives a heluva alot more then Sony. Interplay needed the money desperately. A deal was made and its only a loan not even a purchase
MS still gets to claim $20 a game sold in royalties and Interplay still has to pay back the 5 million
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MS took the rights agreement farther than they should have. But thats MS for ya. If they wanted to benefit us gamers (like they say all the time) They would let interplay include online play on all systems.
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Originally posted by Animal Mother
MS took the rights agreement farther than they should have. But thats MS for ya. If they wanted to benefit us gamers (like they say all the time) They would let interplay include online play on all systems.
Well thats one of the stupidest things I\'ve heard
Its about exclusives that sell systems. Its called business.
Looking out for gamers on another system is not in nintendo\'s, Sony\'s or Microsofts business agenda
MS is making a smart business move, just like SOny buying out Verant and Naughty Dog and such
Its a business Animal accept this and get an Xbox to play Matrix online, or forget about it
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Originally posted by EThugg
I\'ve argued with you in private, and I\'m too lazy to retype it all here, but I\'ll say this: Sony did it with MK3. Sega did it with DoA2. MS did take it a little further, but it\'s the same thing. Stop your whining. It sucks for the PS2 only (or GC only) ppl, but calling MS a bully for making a smart business decision is retarded.
man you pick fights with everyone
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Originally posted by Bozco
man you pick fights with everyone
Correction. Everyone who\'s wrong, or annoys me.
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Originally posted by EThugg
Correction. Everyone who\'s wrong, or annoys me.
Actually you pick fights with alot of people just because you think your right.
as for the annoying part, you probably shouldn\'t be calling the kettle black son
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Actually you pick fights with alot of people just because you think your right.
as for the annoying part, you probably shouldn\'t be calling the kettle black son
I don\'t care who I annoy, I only care who annoys me. And I\'ve fought with maybe a dozen of the 3000+ members here, just to clear up this whole \'I start fights with everyone\' nonsense.
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At this point it\'s only a licensing agreement. Even though the movie was a success doesn\'t mean for certain that the game will follow suit. Sure it\'s guaranteed sales on the name alone, but let\'s not get too excited about a game that at this point doesn\'t exist. Could be a AAA title, could be monkey dung. Heaven forbid that the Matrix 2 goes the way of many over-anticipated sequels, seriously.
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I agree. Most movie based games are donkey dung. I can\'t think of ANY GOOD ONES. Cept maybe die hard trilogy 1
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Originally posted by Animal Mother
I agree. Most movie based games are donkey dung. I can\'t think of ANY GOOD ONES. Cept maybe die hard trilogy 1
Yup. 5th Element sucked... the Grinch, 102 Dalmations, etc. Most of em sucked. I liked Die Hard Trilogy, Alien Trilogy, MIB and Lost World though.....
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i don\'t really care about this "Matrix" game already,first it is just a game based on the movie (duh!) and most movie to games made are usually not worth their wait in gold anyways,in other words they suck the majority of the time. maybe it might surprise us,but i highly doubt it in the end. oh,second Interplay is making it,i\'m not that hardcore a follower of their brand of games,it might include some unnecessary quirky weirdness :D third,the hype for this game is becoming as bad as MGS2 (except it has no basis to fall on as whether it will be good or a waste of time),i don\'t remember seeing any pics of it either,anyone??
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I thought The Matrix sucked. Microsoft can do whatever the hell they want with the license for all I care.
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This is what people are talking about when they say MIcrosoft is giving a better deal to developers. Even with this deal Interplay pays less royaltys to microsoft than they would with sony under normal conditions. Microsoft is basicly saying I\'ll give you this to hekp you out if you give me this to help me out. While it can look sketchy from certain view points, you have to look at it from others views if you don\'t want a biasd view. But it does suck for us PS2 owners.
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It\'s not like the MATRIX video game will be good, hell Microsoft could very well dig their own hole. I predict that happening.
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Oh yea. MS is soooooo evil for gettin\' the rights to The Matrix. You know, if Sony wanted it , they could of got it. This is a pretty lame idea, that MS bullied their way to get the Matrix rights.
They very notion that Sony gives a damn about gamers is funny. MS done a smart buisness move, quit cryin\' about it.
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Originally posted by dbv23
This is what people are talking about when they say MIcrosoft is giving a better deal to developers. Even with this deal Interplay pays less royaltys to microsoft than they would with sony under normal conditions. Microsoft is basicly saying I\'ll give you this to hekp you out if you give me this to help me out. While it can look sketchy from certain view points, you have to look at it from others views if you don\'t want a biasd view. But it does suck for us PS2 owners.
Dude you got it backwards. MS is lending Interplay 5 million then charging them more royalties per copy sold and on top of that Interplay has till 2003 to pay back the 5 million
If anything I think Interplay is getting screwed but they must be hurting so bad for money they had to do this.
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Oh no! Microsoft is so evil! :rolleyes:
BTW Bozco, if you have a problem with EThugg, then please settle it in private. I\'m getting pretty tired of seeing your remarks about him in nearly every post.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Oh no! Microsoft is so evil! :rolleyes:
BTW Bozco, if you have a problem with EThugg, then please settle it in private. I\'m getting pretty tired of seeing your remarks about him in nearly every post.
All i said was he picks fights, i dont have any problems with him
oh and 182ways how did the matrix suck???
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I just wish The matrix could of been on Ps2 first.....I hope its cool
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bahhh i don\'t care about The Matrix ! ofcourse the movie was good ! but for a game ? nahh let MS have it !
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Some of you are passing on the game (in talk anyways) pretty early.... Methinks if this were Sony aquiring the 6 month exclusive, at least half of you (that are dissing it now) would be singing its praises.... The game might be bad, but it might be good too. MS dug themselves a hole how? By making a smart decision that will move a few extra units with the mainstream, and add to reasons XB will succeed?
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Looks like the Gates mister is up to his old tricks, if you cant beat them buy them out :laughing:.
but hey dose this news realy matter ?
Sony didn\'t want to waste money on a game they will get 6 months later ;).
ok so the PS2 version wont have online capability
but heck we have a whole host of PS2 excusives that will its only fair the X box has one too :D.
Well done for the X box and Ps2 i say Well done..........
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Basically Microsoft is using it\'s bullying tactics. They are going to use this to take over the video game industry.
They bribed interplay into offering the Matrix for the Xbox with all this extra crap, and holding it from other consoles for atleast 6 months.
Well I would agree with you except Sony bankrolled Square\'s Final Fantasy movie which cost over 100 million dollars. Now I don\'t know about you but there was a little backscratching going on.
Don\'t get me wrong Sony was absolutely right in doing so. They are going to make a killing on the game and the movie will be an absolute success(IMHO).
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It\'s sounds true that *Bill GATES* wants to take over the video gaming industry. Sometimes i think Bill says this to developers, "Ok, I\'ll give you 1 billion if you make it for my system only for 4 years!" Who won\'t take that offer. If I was Bill i would do that. I know I\'ll make back the billions and more. If bill does that to only the best games, for example GT3 sold over 1 million in the first 48hr he will make back his billions offers in just 2 years. Soon, we all have to get the X-box. This is just the begging of what Bill Gates will do. If this happen I\'ll just play with PSone games on my PS2. I never part with PS2. When the DC came out, in just 2 months i sold it for a PSX. and played with it until PS2 came out. I just like Playstation. I get the feeling that Bill is just try some new business venture out. It\'s just temporary. But you know Sony will not depart from PLAYSTATION!! I think most of Sony profits comes from PLAYSTATION system.:D
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Im pissed
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Who likes their PSX? How \'bout their PS2? You think these two machines have/are proving to the world that Sony offers some of the very best games on the videogame front? How do you think that came to be? Sony playing nice-nice? Grow up...
Sony is as huge a megacorporation as Microsoft and for all the same reasons. Ridge Racer, Wipeout, Tekken... these games came to us because Sony arranged exclusive agreements with their producers.
Getting to the top is all about playing "King of the Mountain"...and to win, you gotta shove everybody else off. Strong-arm tactics, muscle, threats, ... that puts you on top. It put Microsoft on top with Windows. It put Sony on top with electronics. And as long as it works, companies will continue doing it.
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Even though I don\'t like Billionaire Bill all that much I do think that it\'s smart with the whole Interplay thing. Kinda like the Maffia. If Interplay can\'t pay then as the motto goes. If you can\'t beat \'em Join \'em as a first part...mwahahahaha mwahahahahaha. I still love my 2nd:( PS2 anyways. Specially with all the June games out. XBox however doesn\'t interest me.
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It\'s very strange that on the IGN PS2 site there is now no record of this news story, i checked this mornning and there was nothing about the matrix ?
now seeing that some PS2 sites have said this is only a rumour at the moment, i have to say i will wait till E3 or some pupblic anouncment by Interplay, Sony or Microsoft.
P.S.
Remember Gates can not use this method to buy every software developer under the sun, after all wasn\'t it that kind of behaviour that lead to the case against Microsoft........
Yeah keep it up MS and not only will your software company be split in half but your X box developing too..
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Originally posted by ooseven
It\'s very strange that on the IGN PS2 site there is now no record of this news story, i checked this mornning and there was nothing about the matrix ?
now seeing that some PS2 sites have said this is only a rumour at the moment...
I\'ll stop you there Mr. Bond. The story is still there, http://xbox.ign.com/news/34024.html and at the address in the first post.
This info was taken from... well, read the link. It\'s legal and official. It doesn\'t matter how many PS2 sites don\'t like it. I\'m sure the references were removed on IGN cause MS said they weren\'t ready to break the news, it was supposed to be a E3 thing.
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Originally posted by Animal Mother
MS took the rights agreement farther than they should have. But thats MS for ya. If they wanted to benefit us gamers (like they say all the time) They would let interplay include online play on all systems.
Now animal, stop being a bad fanboy. Interplay didn\'t have the money to include online play for the PS2 and GC and therefore the features wouldn\'t have been included in them anyways. However, Microsoft LOANED them $5 million dollars to add the feature (and then some) but the only stipulations were that Microsoft had 6 months exclusivity and that none of that $5 million dollars could be used to add the same features to the PS2 and the GC games. Why isn\'t that reasonable. If I were Microsoft (or any other company) I\'ll be damned if you use MY MONEY to develop MY COMPETITOR\'S games. What MS did was SMART and GOOD BUSINESS. If you argue this fact, animal, you are saying that Microsoft should loan Interplay money to make PS2 and Xbox games as good as the Xbox version. Does that sound reasonable to you? Does that sound reasonable to anyone? That would be nice of Microsoft to do so, but no one gets to the top by being nice.
Nice guys finish last.
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Originally posted by Animal Mother
I agree. Most movie based games are donkey dung. I can\'t think of ANY GOOD ONES. Cept maybe die hard trilogy 1
Damn, seems like a case of sour grapes in here! :D You people seem to have some really severe selective memory because you can\'t seem to remember a little game called Golden Eye. That game was kinda good... :D What distinguishes a good movie-based game from a bad one is the developer and Shiny is developing The Matrix game. They have a pretty, er, Shiny track record if you ask me.
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Originally posted by Flamebrain
It\'s not like the MATRIX video game will be good, hell Microsoft could very well dig their own hole. I predict that happening.
Agreed, most movie tie-ins are rubbish.
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IT\'S GONNA SUCK! :laughing: ;)
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I\'ve never seen so many psychics on one forum! I didn\'t know you could tell a game would suck before even seeing screens...