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CoreMagazine.com: What is the target frame rate for the final version of Halo? What frame rate has the latest beta copies been running at?
Matt: All the builds so far have a frame rate cap at 30 FPS, which as you can imagine is well within the Xbox\'s capabilities. The final frame rate hasn\'t really been determined yet; it\'ll be as high as we can make it (within reason of course).
If the final version is in fact running @30fps.. then that is a huge let-down for me. I expect nothing less than 60fps in these next-gen all-mighty consoles. I know some of you don\'t care about framerates but it\'s a huge factor for me. Why can\'t the all mighty superpowerful better than GeForce 3 run games @ 60fps? I\'d be saying the same thing if MGS2 / GT 3 / etc were running @ 30fps. Shenmue disappointed me w/the framerate.
** Now the X-box hardware wasn\'t finalized before, and the kits were unfinished, so it\'s possible that the 30fps is temporary. Normally though, whatever framerate a game is running @ in production, stays the same. I\'ve never seen a game bumped from 30 to 60.
I\'m not sure of anyone\'s expectations or standards here, but for me 60fps has become the norm. For those that can\'t even notice the difference from 30 to 60, please don\'t bother replying.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
btw - you can read the rest of the interview here; http://www.coremagazine.com/news/4157.php3
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exactly... there\'s just no way they\'d let it be anything but 60 fps... if they\'re intelligent.
This is the flagship title, upon which a lot of the Xbox\'s reputation rests, if it ended up at 30 fps it\'d be a laughing stock.... they wouldn\'t do that.
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I\'m talking about the legions of sony and nintendo fans who speak based on figures. Xbox fans have fought the others for months now with games like halo. If it ended up 30 FPS, then DAMNIT the Xbox would be in for a slamming. A good slamming at that. You say that if it ended up 30 fps (which it won\'t), you wouldn\'t pay it out??? [mysterious voice]I know you too well young bobby, you definitely would [/voice]
now I lost my train...
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This is like the Red Faction 30 FPS disappointment. I wish developers would realize that framerate is more important than graphics.
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yes, but the developers doing red faction are going to push that framerate up as much as they can... this is just the same, mabye with the finalized chipset, they can find the REAL POWER all those x box fanboys were talking about ;) (remember? the one that would make the x box 3 times better than ps2?)
hehe... funny media people
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LOL!
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ack...shouldn\'t Halo be running at 90 fps then,i.e..3 times the power :D ??!! LoL,j/k...but seriously,if it does,that is like bad news for the console,people will have no faith in it from the start (the graphic thing has already bit them from behind with the media,this will cause low blows to the gut with other industry types),this is a game that has been in development for a long time.
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I\'m just glad to see I\'m not the only one concerned about framerates.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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I\'m sure that they won\'t release their flagship game at 30 fps. They would probably rather tone down the graphics or action on screen, before they would do that. Besides, if they haven\'t had a problem keeping it limited to 30 fps, when they turn the limiter off, who knows where it\'ll run. I\'m sure they\'ll do their best to get it to 60.
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can YOU distinguish betwen 30 and 60fps? I doubt it.
It isn\'t the fact that the developers are making it 30fps that would make the game run less smooth or fast or pretty, it is how they program it. Look at Test Drive Le Mans and F355. both very quick racers, one 30fps, the other 60.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
can YOU distinguish betwen 30 and 60fps? I doubt it.
It isn\'t the fact that the developers are making it 30fps that would make the game run less smooth or fast or pretty, it is how they program it. Look at Test Drive Le Mans and F355. both very quick racers, one 30fps, the other 60.
Eric Jacob
I don\'t want to get into this "how fast your eye can see" argument again, but yes, I can tell the difference between 30 and 60 FPS. If there was no difference, then why would developers even try to get their games up to 60 FPS?
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I can tell
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I can tell the diference between 30 and 60fps.
There was an artical about it in OPS2M I think :)
With the developer of GT3..
I think its ironic how all the great looking PS2 games run at a solid 60fps (GT3, MGS2, FFX, WipeOut) when all the not so good looking games have terrible fps.
Well, I guess its the quality of the developers.
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it is NOTHING like the red faction disappointement. IF Halo was only to be 30 fps, that would be a FAR greater disappointment. They are completely different games, Halo is extremely fast pased, and NEEDS a high framerate. Red Faction is slower based, that framerate isnt needed, but would be appreciated
He\'s right ya know. Halo will have more action and a more intense multiplayer and you can\'t have a great multiplayer game this generation with only 30fps. I had to suffer the constant slow downs of PD and Goldeneye, I don\'t want to experience that again in this time around.
They better get it up to 60fps, thats for sure.
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can YOU distinguish betwen 30 and 60fps? I doubt it
Easily. I\'m sorry if YOU cannot.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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yeah its pretty easy to tell the difference
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I can tell the difference between 30 and 60fps.... you\'d have to be blind not to. Fortunately, I think, like GT3, we don\'t have to worry, the final game will be better than early versions.... although it\'s all speculation. It would suck if it was 30 fps... I would pass on it. I only like games like that for the eye candy. At least there\'s plenty of time still....
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The ignorance in here is astounding!
Matt: All the builds so far have a frame rate cap at 30 FPS, which as you can imagine is well within the Xbox\'s capabilities. The final frame rate hasn\'t really been determined yet; it\'ll be as high as we can make it (within reason of course).
The game has not been optimized for final hardware yet, so of course it\'s running only 30fps, you guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill. This has nothing to do with the final version of Halo running 30fps. Where did you get that from? He said that the current builds were running at 30 fps. Do you think that the current build is actually the finished game? If you do, then you are extremely stupid. I think this topic is reaching quite a bit for some negativity concerning the Xbox.
You guys totally disregarded the final sentence. he said that the final framerate wasn\'t really determined but they will make it as high as they reasonably can. That could be 60 or 70 fps for all we know! This topic is ludicrous, I can\'t believe you guys actually accepted the notion that Halo would be shipped running at 30 fps. Halo running 60+ fps is a given when optimized for final hardware. Just because they have final kits does not mean the game is optimized already, it\'s still about 5 months from launch so we will see big improvements between now and then.
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mabye, but what if when they were developing, they had the final specs for the x box, so they optomised the game for those specs, then they would have trouble moving it up, but nowhere in that article does it say that.
:D
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Originally posted by Falcon4
mabye, but what if when they were developing, they had the final specs for the x box, so they optomised the game for those specs, then they would have trouble moving it up, but nowhere in that article does it say that.
:D
They would need asteady framerate to debug other aspects of the game, hence the limiting of frames on the older dev. kits.
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Directxbox,
Notice the word IF included in my statements. This is all theoretical for none of us know the final outcome. It might be 30fps, it might be 60. Just because you think it will be doesn\'t mean it has to be. Relax, take a breather, and we\'ll see the results in the future. If it stays @ 30 what will you be mumbling then?
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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i am sure that they will have it runing fine but there is always that possibilty that they won\'t get it
but i will be very disaapointed if they can\'t
but like i said i am sure they will
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If you think about this
A.) XBox dev kits represent 50% of Xbox\'s final power
B.) 30 FPS would represent 50% of 60FPS
which means that Halo at this time is being capped at 30FPS on the incomplete dev kits because they can increase the polygons by twice as much and the game should expectingly run at 30FPS
but when they get the final dev kits the game should pretty much run at 60FPS from the get go. This means they can do all there final tuning and stuff and already have a game pretty muched locked in 60FPS.
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The dev. kits are complete..
They have been for a few weeks.
But maybe Bungie havent got theirs yet...
But I find that hard to belive cuz M$ bought up Bungie, so Bungie should get there kits pretty fast.
Maybe its on final hardware, maybe its not.
Does it say anything in the artical??
Wait for E3!
Its gonna bee great for all consoles.
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Your just assuming Faston. We don\'t know anything about weather the developers have the kits yet or not. Plus even if bungie got theres now, do you think they have anytime to exploit it before E3, I don\'t think so.
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This news would not affect my decision to buy this game, if i was getting a X box .....
but seeing that i am not , i only hope the PC version is as good.....
If not better ;).
j/k
:p
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I just don\'t get this thread. It is not even finished yet they said the latest was running at 30fps and the final will be as high as they can get it. So what is your point?
Nothing exactly next thread.
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I just don\'t get this thread. It is not even finished yet they said the latest was running at 30fps and the final will be as high as they can get it. So what is your point?
Nothing exactly next thread.
Why spend time posting?
Read and interpret the thread.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Originally posted by XBOX
Nothing exactly next thread.
why dont you go back to playing your video game console that isnt even out yet and I\'ll sit here and play Castlevania SOTN on my PS2!! HAHAHAHAH!!!!
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look i likes the look of HALO , and if i was going to GET a X BOX then this would be THE game i would ensure i buy on launch day.
But all this nonsence about the frame rate ..... 30 FPS is the Same as RED faction AFTER ALL , and even though i have not played it from what i have Heard it only gets in the way of the game play now and then.
If you still want to bash this game so be it but atleast give it a chance......
Remember you DON\'T HAVE TO BUY IT YOU KNOW !
so why BASH IT !
Leavethat for the Army Men Games ! lol.
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Originally posted by ooseven
look i likes the look of HALO , and if i was going to GET a X BOX then this would be THE game i would ensure i buy on launch day.
But all this nonsence about the frame rate ..... 30 FPS is the Same as RED faction AFTER ALL , and even though i have not played it from what i have Heard it only gets in the way of the game play now and then.
If you still want to bash this game so be it but atleast give it a chance......
Remember you DON\'T HAVE TO BUY IT YOU KNOW !
so why BASH IT !
Leavethat for the Army Men Games ! lol.
From what I have heard is the Red Faction is suffering from frame rate drop-off (ie: sub-30fps moments, once you get below 20fps things get pretty bad).
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Originally posted by ho3j
From what I have heard is the Red Faction is suffering from frame rate drop-off (ie: sub-30fps moments, once you get below 20fps things get pretty bad).
Hmmmmm i play a lot of Team Fortress with a 56k modem and i am used to lag, so this fream rate problem will just seam as if i am playing online on my PC.....lol
God i hate 56k modems i wish i had Cable or ADSL !
Note:
look i know some people can get a great ping with a 56k modem but for me ISP and onnection it runs like a DOG.
Can anyone help me ?
will insalling a modem accelirator programme help to improve ping ?
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i dont think those modem accelerators work.... do you hav 2 lines 1 for homecalls and one for faxes?
im getting rid of one phone line and my dailup and getting a dsl which does all of that for $4 american more...
i wouldnt trust modem accelerators...
wait. i just remembered.. if you want satelite tv, with a broadband conn. to the net... you can get it. and you can send stuff to the net fast too... now if i only could find it... its in the latest popular science magazine.. like $200 for sat. tv and internet..(broadband..)
go pick up the latest issue of pop sci... it should have it in the "whats new" section.
p.s bad ping is caused usually by overloaded servers...
(there are many in the "zone" gaming service by MICROSOFT)
no flame intended.:D
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Originally posted by Falcon4
i dont think those modem accelerators work.... do you hav 2 lines 1 for homecalls and one for faxes?
im getting rid of one phone line and my dailup and getting a dsl which does all of that for $4 american more...
i wouldnt trust modem accelerators...
wait. i just remembered.. if you want satelite tv, with a broadband conn. to the net... you can get it. and you can send stuff to the net fast too... now if i only could find it... its in the latest popular science magazine.. like $200 for sat. tv and internet..(broadband..)
go pick up the latest issue of pop sci... it should have it in the "whats new" section.
p.s bad ping is caused usually by overloaded servers...
(there are many in the "zone" gaming service by MICROSOFT)
no flame intended.:D
Thanks for the info mate but it looks like i have to wait till the Broadband Rev\' is wide spread in the UK :(.
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Originally posted by Claypool 2001
why dont you go back to playing your video game console that isnt even out yet and I\'ll sit here and play Castlevania SOTN on my PS2!! HAHAHAHAH!!!!
FYI: That mean FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
I don\'t know where u get this misinformation that I don\'t like ps2 or something. Because I have had my ps2 since October 2000. So umm I see you drawing conclusions. Second I don\'t advocate xbox or ps2. I see them both as strong console. And I point out pointless xbox trash. Just like I would wOULD point out ps2 trash.
Then there is you. Who clearly bye your comments like ps2 far too much. TOO the brink of fanboyism
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Have you ever played a version of Tekken3 on PAL and then on NTSC?...there is one hell of a difference in the frame rate. Anyone who not understand the difference in frame rate should take this a good example.
Also check out the difference between TTT and DOA2. The frame rate is the only reason that I did not buy TTT and bought DOA2 instead.
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Also check out the difference between TTT and DOA2. The frame rate is the only reason that I did not buy TTT and bought DOA2 instead.
Umm, dude, I hate to break it to ya, but they both run @ 60fps. :)
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
/me is going through e3 overload.