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Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: EThugg on May 09, 2001, 06:49:58 AM
This isn\'t really a debate, but it always seems to end that way, so I\'m putting this here.

After the recent Obi Wan, AI, Matrix 2, Buffy(I h8 the show, but love action adventures) etc announcements, the promise of at least a few more big announcements at E3, and a line up I was already interested in prior to both, I must say, XB\'s library is looking better and better. I can\'t wait to get my hands on it, and anyone who\'s already written it off is foolish IMO....
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: FatalXception on May 09, 2001, 07:37:43 AM
1.  It\'s going to end up a big debate because you put this in a PS2 site\'s debate forum.  

2.  Since you are a known Xbox fanboy, you will attract Sony and Nintendo fanboys like a virgin on prom night.

As to your opinion, well, that\'s all fine.  It\'s, after all, difficult to disagree with an opinion.  Buffy won\'t be very good, I think, that style of game, taken from a series usualy sucks.  I\'m looking forward to hearing about the Matrix games (even if it sucked, it\'ll be pretty sweet - and probably popular), as will a few of the others they are talkin\' about.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: RichG on May 09, 2001, 09:07:06 AM
I still think the XB line up is pants. I mean what the hell, Obi Wan, Buffy etc, yeah great. :rolleyes:
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: EThugg on May 09, 2001, 09:27:53 AM
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Originally posted by FatalXception
2.  Since you are a known Xbox fanboy


That says it all. Since you want to label people... unfairly.... **** you.


Rich.... what does \'pants\' mean? I\'m taking it that\'s bad. If so, go to hell. You could just say they aren\'t your thing, but you diss the entire lineup because what? There\'s something for everyone announced, and a real gamer wouldn\'t diss the lineup.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: EmperorRob on May 09, 2001, 10:09:52 AM
X-box lineup looks good to me.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: Heretic on May 09, 2001, 10:14:40 AM
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Originally posted by EThugg


That says it all. Since you want to label people... unfairly.... **** you.



I\'ve read enough of EThugg to know that only an Xbox fanboy would think that label is unfair.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: EThugg on May 09, 2001, 10:17:59 AM
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Originally posted by Heretic



I\'ve read enough of EThugg to know that only an Xbox fanboy would think that label is unfair.



If you say so :rolleyes:

You can **** off too, since with your lack of intelligence, you can\'t do much else. If you can\'t deal with a truely unbiased, honest opinions, then you got a problem. I personally suggested to no fewer than 4 people in the last week to pick up a PS2. And they did, and were happy.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: ProfessorX on May 09, 2001, 10:22:37 AM
Fact is this: All three systems have good software lineups so the playing field is even in that respect.  Third party support is no longer an issue for any of the three big players and you will start to see a gap come from somewhere...could be any thing graphics, audio, online...could be anything and I think Xbox is more capable than any of them to branch out into those areas with ease.
Title: About the line up
Post by: Heretic on May 09, 2001, 10:29:41 AM
Sorry, I almost always try to add to the topic along with any off-topic coments I would offer, so here ya go...

I want to see the rather phat list of Xbox games out  n\' running before I can get excited about any of them and will dismiss the hype for xbox on a PS2 forum as I please.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: EThugg on May 09, 2001, 10:36:07 AM
You can dismiss whatever you please, but PS2 looked great before there were games up and running, same with XB. And there are games up and running on XB. Munch, Malice, Halo, Azurik, Nightcaster, etc are all running. Are you saying you never got excited about a PS2 gamebefore you saw the finished game? If so, I\'ll call you a damn dirty liar! :p You can be excited about gamesthat aren\'t in stores. And the announced list of XB games looks great. It\'s got more hot properties than DC ever got. And I really liked DC, so it stands to reason, most people would be excited about XB (and GC for that matter. )
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: EmperorRob on May 09, 2001, 10:42:42 AM
BE NICE
















GO GO DONKEY RAPERS
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: Heretic on May 09, 2001, 10:43:44 AM
It\'s the promise of how great they\'re going to look that is putting me off. Just haven\'t seen it yet. Combine that with no trust of MS and you can see where I\'m at, right? Besides being at a PS2 forum...
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: EThugg on May 09, 2001, 10:51:16 AM
Have you looked at the close up Munch pics? See the moist eyes with their reflectiveness? I think XB will be fine in the graphics department. That\'s just my opinion though. We\'ll see....
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: Jumpman on May 09, 2001, 11:02:19 AM
In my ****ing opinion, the Xbox line-up doesn\'t look good or bad, just unclear. Halo is being developed by Bungie who never made a good game before and Munch is being developed by a Bunch of fools! Haha get it? Bunch munch? Ok it wasn\'t that funny but the last to Abe games were not anything special and they\'ve never even done a 3D game before.

But the point is we don\'t know whether Xbox games will be good or not because Microsoft doesn\'t have a developers that we absolutely know will make good games that you\'ll enjoy. They have the PC developers but what about the big name ones with their key franchises? Sega seems to be the only one that comes to my mind and they\'ll probably make ports of all their Xbox games.

That\'s why I\'m not getting Xbox. I don\'t know what to expect from it so I\'ll stick with someone more reliable. Aka Nintendo...
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: EThugg on May 09, 2001, 11:16:24 AM
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Originally posted by Jumpman

But the point is we don\'t know whether Xbox games will be good or not because Microsoft doesn\'t have a developers that we absolutely know will make good games that you\'ll enjoy. They have the PC developers but what about the big name ones with their key franchises? Sega seems to be the only one that comes to my mind and they\'ll probably make ports of all their Xbox games.

That\'s why I\'m not getting Xbox. I don\'t know what to expect from it so I\'ll stick with someone more reliable. Aka Nintendo...


If you\'ve read the presses impressions of Munch, you\'d know that Munch, and Malice, are both doing quite well.

Sega, Acclaim, Activision, EA, Konami, Tecmo, Universal, etc have big name games in development for XB. What are you talking about? Square , Nintendo and Sony are the only major companies not making XB games. And in Squares case, that may not be forever....

I don\'t doubt Nintendo will have great success with GC, and Sony\'s already had success with PS2, but these don\'t have to be at the expense of XB. The markets getting bigger and bigger. There\'s room for 3. And we all know what happens when one companies in control too long... if there are no options, there\'s no way to keep Sony and Nintendo in check.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: Jumpman on May 09, 2001, 11:26:05 AM
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If you\'ve read the presses impressions of Munch, you\'d know that Munch, and Malice, are both doing quite well.

Well, first of all I don\'t care. :p Second, I\'d like to see these expressions. Have they actually played both of the games yet?

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Sega, Acclaim, Activision, EA, Konami, Tecmo, Universal, etc have big name games in development for XB. What are you talking about?

If you read my last post attentively, then you would of known that I mean the Xbox isn\'t getting any MUST HAVE games like MGS2, FFX, Mario, in the lines of those games. And they ones that might be great will all be on other systems like Tony Hawk and what ever.
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Post by: ho3j on May 09, 2001, 12:08:29 PM
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Originally posted by Jumpman
In my ****ing opinion, the Xbox line-up doesn\'t look good or bad, just unclear. Halo is being developed by Bungie who never made a good game before and Munch is being developed by a Bunch of fools!


Erk...  Bungie have won themselves a huge and very loyal fan base because of their excellent Marathon and Myth series.  I am going to assume that you just haven\'t researched them and this is like a Mac gamer saying "Rare sucks" simply because they haven\'t had a chance to try many of thier games.  Really, you could not have said something farther from the thruth.

As for Oddworld, I think the quality of there current game speaks volumes about their talent.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: ho3j on May 09, 2001, 12:13:44 PM
"That\'s why I\'m not getting Xbox. I don\'t know what to expect from it so I\'ll stick with someone more reliable. Aka Nintendo..."

"Well, first of all I don\'t care."

In other words, you don\'t an Xbox because you don\'t know what to expect but at the same time you will not listen to the first clues about what to expect?  Then why bother entering this thread if all you are going to do is just going to bath yourself in ignorance and stand on the sidelines sticking your tongue out a the Xbox?
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: Heretic on May 09, 2001, 12:20:33 PM
I have not seen the moisture/reflectiveness in munch and it does sound impressive, although I wonder where you\'d see it during the game. The last still shot of munch I saw (from gamestock?) looked basically about as detailed as the PSX 2D version in a 3D world.  So you could say I\'m way behind the times. After downloading the Doom3 video with 56k I was so disappointed I swore off trying to see what\'s up in running mode for a while, at least until after E3.

The fact is, in just the last week or two I\'ve decided that term fanboy is no longer so derogatory as I once thought. It just means, to me personally, the willingness to overlook possible faults, the tendency to look on the bright side of a chosen console. On the flip side the ease with which those willing to bait, name call, insult each others intelligence, and stretch the truth in order to score points for a chosen side is trollish behavior. I\'m willing to look the other way when it comes from a obviously pro PS2 member on a PS2 forum and tend to use the skunk eye when reading all else. So EThugg, don\'t take it as a personal insult if you hear the term xbox fanboy coming from me. Troll however...

On a side note; I\'ve been through Abe\'s Oddysee. Doesn\'t matter how good the graphics are, I won\'t be picking up the sequels. Anyone looking forward to the xbox version needs to give the original a try first. Just a friendly warning
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: EThugg on May 09, 2001, 12:24:47 PM
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Originally posted by Heretic

On a side note; I\'ve been through Abe\'s Oddysee. Doesn\'t matter how good the graphics are, I won\'t be picking up the sequels. Anyone looking forward to the xbox version needs to give the original a try first. Just a friendly warning


I have Abes Oddysee and Exodus, I enjoyed both very much... Both games also reached greatest hit status I believe....

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailyradar.com%2Fimages%2Fscreenshots%2F010314034421screen_munchsmall7.jpg&hash=c1a70ae75d5232c24548d572e97b8b5142e67595)
I saw this in a video too, I can\'t find it though... It looks even better in motion.. you feel like your looking at a living creature. That\'s a in-game cinema, that\'s the reason for the angle. I wish I could find the video. When he closes and opens the eyelids... it\'s extremely realistic.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: Heretic on May 09, 2001, 12:34:55 PM
I\'m relieved you\'re not anticipating it just based on looks. Did you make through all the secret levels? I\'d honestly be impressed if you did. They just sort of sucked the fun right out of it me.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: ho3j on May 09, 2001, 12:36:01 PM
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Originally posted by Heretic
I have not seen the moisture/reflectiveness in munch and it does sound impressive, although I wonder where you\'d see it during the game. The last still shot of munch I saw (from gamestock?) looked basically about as detailed as the PSX 2D version in a 3D world.  So you could say I\'m way behind the times. After downloading the Doom3 video with 56k I was so disappointed I swore off trying to see what\'s up in running mode for a while, at least until after E3.

On a side note; I\'ve been through Abe\'s Oddysee. Doesn\'t matter how good the graphics are, I won\'t be picking up the sequels. Anyone looking forward to the xbox version needs to give the original a try first. Just a friendly warning


You can swivel around the camera and look a Munch\'s eyes for a nice "wow" effect but beyond that it will most likely be useful for in-game cut-scenes (and a few places during the action where the camera switches to a much more cinematic view).  I was thoroughly entertained by Oddworld\'s style in the first two games for about an hour and then stopped playing but Munch is a different beast all together (3D obviously makes it much less restrictive, the game is a lot faster, and the interaction between Munch and Abe makes the puzzles more entertaining) so I would recommend trying it out before you make a decision.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: EThugg on May 09, 2001, 12:39:15 PM
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Originally posted by Heretic
I\'m relieved you\'re not anticipating it just based on looks. Did you make through all the secret levels? I\'d honestly be impressed if you did. They just sort of sucked the fun right out of it me.



No, I didn\'t beat em 100%, but I enjoyed them. Same as Rayman 1. 100% on these games is murder on anyone but the most devoted and talented gamers.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: Heretic on May 09, 2001, 12:46:55 PM
Oops, I should have waited for the whole thread to load, missed the shot. The pic shows the detail level on the characters, less the eyeball, is even lower than the PSX version. At least they are outside, a nice change of pace from the first one.

I check often and have seen neither on the shelves as greatest hits.
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Post by: IronFist on May 09, 2001, 01:07:19 PM
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Originally posted by Jumpman
...the last to Abe games were not anything special and they\'ve never even done a 3D game before.

That is irrelevant.  If they are making a great looking 3D game now, why would it matter if they have never made a 3d game before?  It doesn\'t make sense.

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Originally posted by Ethugg After the recent Obi Wan, AI, Matrix 2, Buffy(I h8 the show, but love action adventures) etc announcements, the promise of at least a few more big announcements at E3, and a line up I was already interested in prior to both, I must say, XB\'s library is looking better and better. I can\'t wait to get my hands on it, and anyone who\'s already written it off is foolish IMO....

Those four games might be good, but you should at least wait until you see some pictures/movies/impressions of them before you get excited about them.  And I agree, anyone who has already written the Xbox off is very foolish.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: datamage on May 09, 2001, 01:20:29 PM
For starters,

I know Ethugg is not an xbox fanboy. He just loves to stir things up and argue. :)

Secondly, I don\'t think the Xbox lineup is stellar, nor horrible. It\'s adequate IMO..  I\'m still undecided as to whether I\'ll be getting it or not. Though having SEGA\'s support is already enough reason to.

- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Post by: IronFist on May 09, 2001, 01:34:44 PM
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Originally posted by datamage
Secondly, I don\'t think the Xbox lineup is stellar, nor horrible. It\'s adequate IMO..  I\'m still undecided as to whether I\'ll be getting it or not. Though having SEGA\'s support is already enough reason to.

The PS2 and NGC are going to have equal, if not more support from Sega than the Xbox. ;)  This console war is going to rely on a lot more than one developer anyways, so it doesn\'t really matter. :)
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Post by: Heretic on May 09, 2001, 01:43:48 PM
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Originally posted by ho3j


(3D obviously makes it much less restrictive, the game is a lot faster, and the interaction between Munch and Abe makes the puzzles more entertaining) so I would recommend trying it out before you make a decision.


The puzzles in Oddysee were intelligent in addition to a lot of overall original content in story and gameplay but the agility feats I found too taxing to want to return for another version. Plus the scenery and goofy noises got old. I might be willing to give it another try if I hear the 3D version is much better and the dreaded black box ends up being too cheap to pass up.  Ya never know.

And yes, I\'ll fess up, the list of games is getting long and tempting.
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Post by: datamage on May 09, 2001, 03:11:54 PM
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This console war is going to rely on a lot more than one developer anyways, so it doesn\'t really matter.


True. But If SEGA develops games that are going to be exclusive to the box, then I\'m gonna have to get one. If the new Jet Grind doesn\'t appear elsewhere, or Panzer for that matter, then the box is mine.

On another note; Here\'s that Obi-wan game for xbox. Looks, err, well, decide for yourselves:

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(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gaming-age.com%2Fmedia%2F2001%2Fmay%2Fobiwan%2F3.jpg&hash=c5d071b9f38a75fa9aa95e1e62bd28e75891cf50)
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- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: Jumpman on May 09, 2001, 06:11:40 PM
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In other words, you don\'t an Xbox because you don\'t know what to expect but at the same time you will not listen to the first clues about what to expect? Then why bother entering this thread if all you are going to do is just going to bath yourself in ignorance and stand on the sidelines sticking your tongue out a the Xbox?

God your an idiot. You seem to have a little hatred going for me don\'t you? You really took that out of concept which was a dumb thing to do.

I said I don\'t care because I\'m not interested because I don\'t know what I\'m getting into with the Xbox you ****ing moron. God I hate it when people attack me for idiotic reasons like that... GGGGRRRR.  Listening to what clues? I just stated my opinion. I\'m sorry if you disagree with it but you can\'t change it. How is it ignorant if I\'m simply not interested for valid reasons? DUMB ASS.

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That is irrelevant. If they are making a great looking 3D game now, why would it matter if they have never made a 3d game before? It doesn\'t make sense.

The graphics are irrelevant. I\'m talking about gameplay and a lot of developers have ****ed up when they convert their games from 2D to 3D . It kind of screws them up and it makes the game seem different. Examples: The PS2 Street Fighter, Donkey Kong 64, Sonic Adventure, ect. Some can do it perfectly, but others can\'t.

Oddworld is just going to have trouble making the game good while sticking to some original features. I\'m not saying they can\'t make it good but I\'m just saying its a possibility since other developers have experienced this.
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Post by: Falcon4 on May 09, 2001, 06:45:51 PM
yes, i agree with jumpman, if any of you know of age of empires II:age of kings, the sequel to the series will be their first 3d strategy game. i think it is also going to be one of the first, they may mess it up, they may do it good. but i hope they do it good, cuz i love that series....
their strat. games are just unbelieveable...
developers have trouble going from sprites, to polygons.. its that simple... it makes games look better and run faster when they are 3d too......
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: IronFist on May 09, 2001, 07:18:59 PM
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Originally posted by Jumpman
The graphics are irrelevant. I\'m talking about gameplay and a lot of developers have ****ed up when they convert their games from 2D to 3D . It kind of screws them up and it makes the game seem different. Examples: The PS2 Street Fighter, Donkey Kong 64, Sonic Adventure, ect. Some can do it perfectly, but others can\'t.

Oddworld is just going to have trouble making the game good while sticking to some original features. I\'m not saying they can\'t make it good but I\'m just saying its a possibility since other developers have experienced this.

Good point.  It is hard to convert a game from 2d to 3d, and a lot of developers struggle with this.  The Oddworld developers are a very talented group of people though.  They know how important it is to keep the 2d game\'s playability while putting it into 3d, and I\'m sure they have thought about the problem a lot.  They know how important this game is for the Xbox\'s success when it is launched.  We will see when the game is out though.
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Post by: ho3j on May 09, 2001, 07:53:56 PM
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Originally posted by Jumpman

God your an idiot. You seem to have a little hatred going for me don\'t you? You really took that out of concept which was a dumb thing to do.

I said I don\'t care because I\'m not interested because I don\'t know what I\'m getting into with the Xbox you ****ing moron. God I hate it when people attack me for idiotic reasons like that... GGGGRRRR.  Listening to what clues? I just stated my opinion. I\'m sorry if you disagree with it but you can\'t change it. How is it ignorant if I\'m simply not interested for valid reasons? DUMB ASS.


Why would I feel hatred to you?  Frankly I was startled by your Bungie and Oddworld comment since your posts that I have read over the past month have seemed balanced.

"I said I don\'t care because I\'m not interested because I don\'t know what I\'m getting into with the Xbox you ****ing moron. "

Exactly my point.  How does that make sense?  You clearly stated that you do not want an Xbox because you do not know what it has to offer.  However, when Ethugg tells you about people\'s responses to the games you say you don\'t care... because you are not interested in the Xbox?  Don\'t you see the circle there?

If you will not be interested in the Xbox until you learn more about it but then shrug of the information presented to you then why enter an Xbox-related thread?  The only thing you will be able to do is state that you don\'t care and that you don\'t know anything.

"I have no interest in Too Human because I don\'t know enough about and I will not learn more about because I have no interest in it".  That may be an opinion but it is a worthless one and I am sure it would drive you mad if someone said it.
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Post by: EmperorRob on May 09, 2001, 08:04:13 PM
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Originally posted by Jumpman

God your an idiot. You seem to have a little hatred going for me don\'t you? You really took that out of concept which was a dumb thing to do.


I think you meant "out of context".

Also STOP QUOTING 18 DAMN TIMES IN YOUR POST
If you have something to say, then SUMMARIZE, you do not have to respond to every single letter of every word posted!
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Post by: AlteredBeast on May 09, 2001, 08:43:36 PM
Wow, those Obi-Wan pics suck pretty bad.

but I guess this is LucasArts we are talking about. The last good games to come from them after the long dry spell of pure crap was Grim Fandango and the new Monkey Island game, beyond that, expect crap from them.


Eric Jacob
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Post by: ho3j on May 09, 2001, 09:11:07 PM
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Wow, those Obi-Wan pics suck pretty bad.

but I guess this is LucasArts we are talking about. The last good games to come from them after the long dry spell of pure crap was Grim Fandango and the new Monkey Island game, beyond that, expect crap from them.


Eric Jacob


These are almost certainly shots from the PC version and IGN even says as much.
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Post by: Black Samurai on May 09, 2001, 10:41:01 PM
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Halo is being developed by Bungie who never made a good game before.

5 years ago had anyone ever heard of Rareware?

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Originally posted by Jumpman
The last two Abe games were not anything special and they\'ve never even done a 3D game before.

How many 3D games did HAL make before they put out Mario 64? Oh yeah, none. :rolleyes:

Can you be anymore of a lamer? Where is the troll patrol when you need them?
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Post by: TheOgodlyThing on May 09, 2001, 11:46:33 PM
MY God!!  Those obi -wan Pics are from the PC GAME. Those are not xbox pics!!!!!

Besides Lucas ARTS sucks. Maybe in the future they will make a good game for a change.
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Post by: datamage on May 10, 2001, 03:25:30 AM
Oh well. I took the screenshots from Gaming-Age and nowhere did they say they were from the PC version.

- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.

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These are almost certainly shots from the PC version and IGN even says as much.


Hmm I just took a gander over @ xbox.ign.com. Couldn\'t find any references to obi-wan so... care to enlighten me?
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Post by: ho3j on May 10, 2001, 07:03:30 AM
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Hmm I just took a gander over @ xbox.ign.com. Couldn\'t find any references to obi-wan so... care to enlighten me?


NP.  http://xbox.ign.com/news/34310.html  : "Expect a wealth of new information on the game from E3, but for now enjoy previous PC screens of the game below."

"Spinning Sabre Attack" and "Great Lighting and Battle droid death" are the ones that Lucas Arts is showing with their announcement.  Hopefully Lucas Arts have been working on bringing it over since they first canceled Obi-Wan for the PC last year.
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Post by: datamage on May 10, 2001, 09:06:59 AM
Thanks ho3j.


- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
Title: XB lineup looking better and better....
Post by: Jumpman on May 10, 2001, 11:37:03 AM
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Exactly my point. How does that make sense? You clearly stated that you do not want an Xbox because you do not know what it has to offer. However, when Ethugg tells you about people\'s responses to the games you say you don\'t care... because you are not interested in the Xbox? Don\'t you see the circle there?

Ok your missing some obvious information:


 I have different preferences than everyone else. Good reviews or impressions never make me want to rush out and buy the game. I\'m fucy about games. Only the best gets in my house. That\'s why I don\'t care.

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If you will not be interested in the Xbox until you learn more about it but then shrug of the information presented to you then why enter an Xbox-related thread? The only thing you will be able to do is state that you don\'t care and that you don\'t know anything(who does know about how the games will play then?).

I\'m not shrugging anything off. The Obi-Wan and Buffy news is bull**** to me and I explained the Oddworld thing. I just expressed my opinion( not knowing how the games will play so no Xbox for me).  Relax. And don\'t mention my immature swearing and insulting in my last post. I was in a bad mood and didn\'t mean to go off on you like that. I just don\'t like having my opinions bashed.

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"I have no interest in Too Human because I don\'t know enough about and I will not learn more about because I have no interest in it". That may be an opinion but it is a worthless one and I am sure it would drive you mad if someone said it.

1. I wouldn\'t care what someone else says about that game or any other GameCube game.

2. Its not a worthless opinion if they don\'t know what their getting into.

3. I should point out that I\'m not interested in the Xbox right NOW. My opinions could change since I\'m a openminded gamer. I had the full intention of buying a PS2 last year but decided to go with DC instead since the games were better(and I was once a DC basher too but all that changed).

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I think you meant "out of context".

Also STOP QUOTING 18 DAMN TIMES IN YOUR POST
If you have something to say, then SUMMARIZE, you do not have to respond to every single letter of every word posted!

Whats wrong with you? Did a Donkey kick you in the penis while you were trying to rape it? ;)

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How many 3D games did HAL make before they put out Mario 64? Oh yeah, none.

Ugh, Hal did not make Mario 64, EAD did. Also, did you not read where I said some may make the change perfectly where as other won\'t? I JUST SAID ITS A POSSIBILITY, fool.

 
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Can you be anymore of a lamer? Where is the troll patrol when you need them?

Yeah! I\'m a troll for not knowing who some Mac developer is and for not being interested in Munch or the Xbox! :rolleyes:
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Post by: CS2x on May 10, 2001, 01:01:57 PM
Haha...everythinh thread turns into a massive argument on these forums..dear, dear.....
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Post by: EThugg on May 10, 2001, 01:25:26 PM
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Originally posted by Heretic

I check often and have seen neither on the shelves as greatest hits.


http://www.us.playstation.com/product_detail/product_detail.jhtml?PRODID=188&CATID=101

Oddysee is a GH game.


Everyone else- You guys have said sooo many things, and I\'m too lazy to address them all, so I\'ll just say this: At this pre-launch, pre-E3 time, I\'m more than happy with the titles announced so far.
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Post by: Black Samurai on May 10, 2001, 03:28:55 PM
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Ugh, Hal did not make Mario 64, EAD did. Also, did you not read where I said some may make the change perfectly where as other won\'t? I JUST SAID ITS A POSSIBILITY, fool.

I am a fool eh? :laughing:

Do you guys ever wonder if Jumpman would talk so much trash in person?
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Yeah! I\'m a troll for not knowing who some Mac developer is and for not being interested in Munch or the Xbox! :rolleyes:

You are a troll because every post you make is either garbage or a flame. You are a child and should be treated as such. Someone should take you over their knee. Maybe then you would know to respect your elders.

Peace and Love.

I\'m out.

-ONE-
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Post by: Jumpman on May 10, 2001, 03:50:43 PM
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I am a fool eh?

Anyone who abuses the canadian term "eh" to make a cheap shot is a fool, yes. Any gamer who doesn\'t know EAD made Mario 64 is a fool too, especially a Nintendo gamer.

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Do you guys ever wonder if Jumpman would talk so much trash in person?

Haha, you\'ll never find that out will you?

 
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You are a troll because every post you make is either garbage or a flame. You are a child and should be treated as such. Someone should take you over their knee. Maybe then you would know to respect your elders.

Very few people here will agree with that.

You seem to be lost in this world... times have changed since you were 14.

All of my posts are garbage or flame? Have you ever read my "what do you think of me thread". It seems that a lot of people respect me and my opinions. You many think their garbage but don\'t make yourself look bad by trying to speak for everyone. I may be significantly younger than most of the people here, but that doesn\'t mean ****.

Respect my elders...why? Just because their older I should respect them? What ever happened to earning someone\'s respect?
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Post by: TheOgodlyThing on May 10, 2001, 04:07:07 PM
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You are a child and should be treated as such. Someone should take you over their knee. Maybe then you would know to respect your elders.



Funny you mention that cause I was telling this young lad (JumpMan )all about that in another thread. Looks like i\'m not the only one that agrees on this.



Originally by Jumpman

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Very few people here will agree with that.



I agree with it
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Post by: Jumpman on May 10, 2001, 05:02:16 PM
Ugh. Go away Ogodlything, you are a worm, a fanboy, and a troll(remember the pic you got). I make fun of your kind and kick them while their down, how could you NOT like me? All the trolls hate me and I love it. :)
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Post by: IronFist on May 10, 2001, 05:55:30 PM
And another thread goes down the crapper.
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Post by: TheOgodlyThing on May 10, 2001, 08:49:46 PM
Yepp, JUMPMAN likes to kill threads off.

Jumpman you are a disease, a CANCER of this PLANET and "I" am the cure. {THE MATRIX}

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how could you NOT like me


Cause your an ASSH0LE, plain and simple. LOL, LOL
don\'t you just love those LOL.

Now let\'s see if he even bothers to respond, or if he\'s smart enough  he\'ll just read my little post, be a man about it and Shut up. Cause the last thing we need here is a thread taken over by some stupid argument.
Cause as far as i\'m concered this argument is over.

Peace Out!
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Post by: MeTaL=DeaTh on May 10, 2001, 10:23:24 PM
TheOgodlyThing and JUMPMAN together = thread killers! :)
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Post by: TheOgodlyThing on May 10, 2001, 11:15:17 PM
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TheOgodlyThing and JUMPMAN together = thread killers!



Not anymore my friend
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Post by: Samwise on May 11, 2001, 02:29:29 AM
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Jumpman, for a 14 year old, you have a lot of rage dont you
:laughing:

Classic stuff old Bobbo!
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Post by: Jumpman on May 11, 2001, 02:49:19 AM
I kill of threads? The people who always attack me are the ones killing them off.

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Jumpman you are a disease, a CANCER of this PLANET and "I" am the cure. {THE MATRIX

You are a nerd for quoting the matrix and your still a fanboy and troll.


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Cause your an ASSH0LE, plain and simple. LOL, LOL
don\'t you just love those LOL.

You just proved my point. :) Your kind doesn\'t like the way I treat you, I don\'t expect/want you to like me.

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Cause as far as i\'m concered this argument is over.

*sigh* I see you were expecting this thread to closed so then I couldn\'t reply. Pathetic. Arguing with you is easy and boring since your just a common troll. This post took about 3 minutes, 3! 3 minutes I could of been doing something else though...:(

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Jumpman, for a 14 year old, you have a lot of rage dont you

**** you ass-hole! ;)
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Post by: SonyFan on May 11, 2001, 03:01:12 AM
I think we should put up a poll as to weither everyone thinks Jumpman is a troll or not. For once, I finally agree with TheOGodlyThing.. you are a troll Jumpman. Nearly every thread I\'ve seen you posted in has (litterally) gone down in flames. You breed conflict like a disease, and play the innocent "Who me?" character hoping noone will notice under your geius of "Hardcore Gamer". I honestly think you enjoy getting into arguments, and try to use your PS2 support to get people to leave you alone. You\'re not as bad as N-Player2 or the other supposedly "Sony Supporting" trolls around here.. but you\'re not far removed.

BTW: You are also a hypocrite. So blatantly you say you don\'t care what other people think or say of the GameCube and it\'s games. Yet nearly every Nintnedo bashing thread has a post from you.. vigilantly defending Nintnedo and it\'s licences. Not to mention the fight you gave me and Livin in Clip after we speculated on how the shift from a 2d platformer Metroid to a 3D shooter may destroy the heart of the series. It seems to me like you care an awful lot about what other people think of the GameCube (And Nintnedo in general).. but you\'re just not willing to admit that when you try to put others down for doing exactly what you do. Defend their console of choice. (Which in this case, happens to be the Xbox)
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Post by: Jumpman on May 11, 2001, 03:27:21 AM
Some harsh words in there, SonyFan. But here is the thread where I asked what everyone thought of me.

http://194.47.16.181/forums/showthread.php?threadid=8877

It would appear that most people do not think I\'m a troll and respect my opinion.

I\'ll respond later.
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Post by: Black Samurai on May 11, 2001, 03:52:14 AM
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Anyone who abuses the canadian term "eh" to make a cheap shot is a fool, yes. Any gamer who doesn\'t know EAD made Mario 64 is a fool too, especially a Nintendo gamer.

I never knew Canada had exclusive rights on the term eh.

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Originally posted by Jumpman
You seem to be lost in this world... times have changed since you were 14.

Not much. A punk is still a punk.

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Originally posted by Jumpman
All of my posts are garbage or flame? Have you ever read my "what do you think of me thread". It seems that a lot of people respect me and my opinions. You many think their garbage but don\'t make yourself look bad by trying to speak for everyone. I may be significantly younger than most of the people here, but that doesn\'t mean ****.

If you had asked what people think of you in just about any other thread that you have posted in you would have received a LOT of different replies. Some people won\'t even enter a post that you start, let alone reply.

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Originally posted by Jumpman
Respect my elders...why? Just because their older I should respect them? What ever happened to earning someone\'s respect?

Well, You have to earn respect first and that is something you have not done. Should I respect you because you are the toughest 14 year old on the net? :rolleyes:
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Post by: SonyFan on May 11, 2001, 03:56:31 AM
Nice example there Jumpman... First of all, most of the people at these forums didn\'t respond to your thread. About half of them that did post in your thread don\'t care for you or just don\'t have an opinion one way or another (and most of THEM hated you at some time, but are over it now). The rest are, for the most part, Newbies who haven\'t even been around long enough to really know you.

Why are you so concerned with conveying the point that people here like you, or at least respect you? Is it so that you can establish some kind of backup and credibility for your weak arguments and flames? Eh, whatever. Dude, you\'re not nearly as well liked or respected here as you would like to think (or as you would others to think). Don\'t try to take that as me saying most people here don\'t like you. From feeling the way the wind has been blowing lately, I\'d say most just don\'t care about you or find you mildly annoying.
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Post by: EThugg on May 11, 2001, 06:19:05 AM
errrr..... what going on here? Oh well, seems I did put it in the right forum after all. :p
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Post by: Heretic on May 11, 2001, 07:44:04 AM
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Originally posted by EThugg


http://www.us.playstation.com/product_detail/product_detail.jhtml?PRODID=188&CATID=101

Oddysee is a GH game.



My mistake EThugg, sorry. It should remind me what I\'ve not seen doesn\'t mean damn a thing. Exxodus could of made the list too for all I know.
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Post by: EThugg on May 11, 2001, 08:07:20 AM
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Originally posted by Heretic


My mistake EThugg, sorry. It should remind me what I\'ve not seen doesn\'t mean damn a thing. Exxodus could of made the list too for all I know.



It could be, I\'m pretty sure I saw it with the queer green spine, but I can\'t be sure...
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Post by: Jumpman on May 11, 2001, 11:16:40 AM
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Nice example there Jumpman... First of all, most of the people at these forums didn\'t respond to your thread. About half of them that did post in your thread don\'t care for you or just don\'t have an opinion one way or another (and most of THEM hated you at some time, but are over it now). The rest are, for the most part, Newbies who haven\'t even been around long enough to really know you.

Why are you so concerned with conveying the point that people here like you, or at least respect you? Is it so that you can establish some kind of backup and credibility for your weak arguments and flames? Eh, whatever. Dude, you\'re not nearly as well liked or respected here as you would like to think (or as you would others to think). Don\'t try to take that as me saying most people here don\'t like you. From feeling the way the wind has been blowing lately, I\'d say most just don\'t care about you or find you mildly annoying.

First of all, I don\'t care about what people think of me. I don\'t care if they like or hate me.

Second, I\'m not expected to be liked. If you click on the link I provided that you would of realized that.

Just look at what I said.

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Man why do so many people like me? I thought I was one of the most hated members here(kind of like the HHH of PSX2Central). Now I find out that everyone has nothing against me. That\'s shocking news for me! I wanted to see some hatred and all I got was friendly replies. Ugh. I thought more people would be jumping at the chance to insult me but unfortunately I guess I\'m actually a liked member ...:(

Whether you like me or not, I don\'t care. I do not need any assistance nor do I want any.

Regarding the troll statement, I think that\'s bull****. The system I prefer the most is obvious but so what? I don\'t make BS statements about Sony, Sega, or MS and I barely ever start threads. If insulting people for being moronic is being a troll then I guess I\'m guilty. I know there is another member here who likes that...

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I never knew Canada had exclusive rights on the term eh?

You seemed to use it as an insult which is pathetic. You agressively attacked me in a USA thread in rants and raves so it make perfect sense that you were insulting my home country. Either way, I simply don\'t care...

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Not much. A punk is still a punk.

The word "punk" is not used anymore in the regular teen vocabulary so obviously stuff has changed since you were one....

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If you had asked what people think of you in just about any other thread that you have posted in you would have received a LOT of different replies. Some people won\'t even enter a post that you start, let alone reply.

Assumptions assumptions... Read above- I don\'t care what other people here will do.

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Well, You have to earn respect first and that is something you have not done. Should I respect you because you are the toughest 14 year old on the net?

Wow did that hurt. You didn\'t answer my questions.

Then should I respect you just because blah blah blah... :rolleyes:

(in case you don\'t know then I\'m saying your statement means **** to me)

This started as me giving my valid opinions towards the Xbox\'s games and now I\'m defending myself, again. People seem to like attaxking me. (:))
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Post by: TheOgodlyThing on May 11, 2001, 11:50:59 AM
Pathetic!!!  

Looks like this thread is comming to a hault. Hopefully not.
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Post by: Black Samurai on May 11, 2001, 12:15:26 PM
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Originally posted by Jumpman
You agressively attacked me in a USA thread in rants and raves so it make perfect sense that you were insulting my home country. Either way, I simply don\'t care...

I don\'t remember that happenening; but If I did you probably deservied it.

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Originally posted by Jumpman
The word "punk" is not used anymore in the regular teen vocabulary so obviously stuff has changed since you were one....

I was trying to be PC but if you wish....A b*tch is a b*tch is a b*tch, and you, young one, are a b*tch.

Now don\'t get mad at me because you and the rest of the trench coat mafia can\'t get dates to the prom. You are and will always be a b*tch in my book. Regardless of if you care or not. I could go on and on about little sh!ts like you that act unbecoming of themselves when they are online. I am pretty sure that this is some type of cry for help. Your mother doesn\'t love you and you want to take it out on the rest of the world. Its ok, young one. Don\'t be afraid to cry. If it\'s any consolation, I want you to know that your mother does love me. As a matter of fact I am the reason that your younger brother is half black. ;)

Peace and Love

-ONE-
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Post by: Jumpman on May 11, 2001, 12:42:13 PM
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I was trying to be PC but if you wish....A b*tch is a b*tch is a b*tch, and you, young one, are a b*tch.

Now don\'t get mad at me because you and the rest of the trench coat mafia can\'t get dates to the prom. You are and will always be a b*tch in my book. Regardless of if you care or not. I could go on and on about little sh!ts like you that act unbecoming of themselves when they are online. I am pretty sure that this is some type of cry for help. Your mother doesn\'t love you and you want to take it out on the rest of the world. Its ok, young one. Don\'t be afraid to cry. If it\'s any consolation, I want you to know that your mother does love me. As a matter of fact I am the reason that your younger brother is half black.  

Peace and Love

-ONE-

Dropping the argument I see...what ever. More free time for me then. :)
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Post by: EmperorRob on May 11, 2001, 01:19:28 PM
JUMPMAN STOP HITTING THE MF\'N QUOTE BUTTON

I WARN YOU ONE MORE TIME AND I WILL RELEASE THE DONKEYS
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Post by: RichG on May 12, 2001, 12:52:06 AM
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Originally posted by EThugg


Rich.... what does \'pants\' mean? I\'m taking it that\'s bad. If so, go to hell. You could just say they aren\'t your thing, but you diss the entire lineup because what? There\'s something for everyone announced, and a real gamer wouldn\'t diss the lineup.


You don\'t want to insult me, i\'ve done nothing but respect your opinions and stick up for you in the past. I simply think the X-Box lineup is pants, thats just my opinion. So I obviously can\'t be a real gamer then, having an opinion and all.
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Post by: Samwise on May 12, 2001, 02:59:31 AM
There will be no more people bashing and bad language in this thread. If you can\'t argue any other way, then don\'t bother.
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Post by: EThugg on May 12, 2001, 02:09:44 PM
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Originally posted by RichGUK


You don\'t want to insult me, i\'ve done nothing but respect your opinions and stick up for you in the past. I simply think the X-Box lineup is pants, thats just my opinion. So I obviously can\'t be a real gamer then, having an opinion and all.


Maybe I was being too dramatic... but what the hell does \'pants\' mean???
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Post by: TheOgodlyThing on May 12, 2001, 02:11:20 PM
I believe it\'s a term the british use, what it mean who knows
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Post by: AlteredBeast on May 12, 2001, 03:33:22 PM
Jumpman - you obivously DO care what others thin of you, as you started a thread about it.

I do not, unfortunately care what most people think of me. You are a jackass IMO. You have been a jackass IMO for 98% of the time on this board. Every thread that you are heavily involved with DOES go to crap nearly every time. This used to happen to me alot, but since I can WIN arguments, they dont last long. The final word on the subjuect should be that you shut up and risk worse embarassment.

Eric Jacob

BTW - I dont know of too many people who will put down someone in a thread designed for positive omment about yourself. If you would ask most of the Ye Olde, still posting memebrs, you are a jackass, plain and simple.
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Post by: IronFist on May 12, 2001, 04:39:17 PM
Why hasn\'t this thread been close yet?  It\'s just another thread for people to throw mud and make new enemies.