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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Bozco on May 17, 2001, 05:56:21 PM
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ok i was at a local video game store and a worker there said the PS2 will lose to the Gamecube just like the PSONE lost to N64. He said the N64 had better games than the PSONE and that it was better. He said can i name 20 good games for the PSONE cause he can name 20 good N64 games. Whenever i said a game he would say most thought it stunk. But he said all the games he said everybody liked. He honestly thought the N64 did better. How sad is that
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I must say that\'s pretty pathetic.. but I\'ve had so many N64 VS PSX wars throughout the years that I won\'t even bother.
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I WILL bother since I am not fond of either, I can give an unbiased, less-hatred induced response.
Overall - PSX, easily. I could name 50 good games for PSx. ANd I dont think I could name 10 games for N64 I could stand playing.
Graphics - PSX. If you like mud and fog, go with N64 by all means.
Sound - cd or cart? duh.
multiplayer - N64, piece of cake on this one.
sports - PSX
RPGs - did N64 have an rpg?
puzzle - N64
Platform - N64
Overall, I believe N64 has a better ratio of crappy to less crappy ratio just because there arent very many games for it, but PSx has so many games, it beats it out.
I hatye both though.
PSX? I had 3 of them. The only other system I have EVER had break on me was my NES, and we all know that those were crap. I got so fed up in the last 2 years with all this style orver substance in nearly every PSx games, I quit buying the system.
N64? Carts, lack of RPGs. Insane kiddy appeal. Games get tiring very easily IMO. Controller is worse thant he Atari 2600\'s.
Eric Jacob
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Well all i have to say is that the sales say it all - what isn\'t the PSX up to 80 Million now
which is pretty damn impressive if you ask me
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Bozco, That guy at the store is a N64 Fanboy! I just have to name 7 games that N64 can\'t touch. GanTurismo 2, Tekken 3, RE 3, MGS, PE2, Soul Reaver and MOH underground. Theres more, but theres too much to list. I still play PSone games on my PS2. I still like MOH underground! :D
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Ah.
Overall, PSX by far. EVERYONE, no matter what kind of game you like, can find at least five of them on PSX worth playing. The sheer number of games and the incredible variety are much more palatable than whatever Rare decided to bring out every six months. IMO Rare is a pretty mediocre developer, but having almost no competition worth speaking of on N64, Rare garnered more shine then they deserved to, and will likely not mean so much to Nintendo now that GC has more support. The best two games of the last generation were N64 games, but overall the PSX had the best library, possibly of all time...
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
PSX? I had 3 of them. The only other system I have EVER had break on me was my NES, and we all know that those were crap. I got so fed up in the last 2 years with all this style orver substance in nearly every PSx games, I quit buying the system.
Eric Jacob
No way? You owned 3 Psones also? I owned three. Friggin\' sucked. One over-heated. The second, the cd laser went out. THe third fell and broke. So, wait, actually, I\'ve owned four.
Either way, in my opinion the Psone really won that era, but NIntendo even admits they messed up with the cartridge format and poor third party support.
Sony on the other hand had zero quality control, which meant alot of really bad games.
Uh? Wait? Why wasn\'t the Saturn an option? ;)
Virtua Fighter 2? Clockwork Knight 2? Bug!? Skeleton Warriors? Panzer Dragon? Nights? Virtua Cop 2? I can keep on listin\' em..
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Well, my first one started clicking one day. So I would shut it off, start it and it would be ok most of the time, the clicking was extra annoying, one day it would only play one game, Incredible Hulk The Pantheon Saga, after that day, nothing worked.
My second just up and stopped playing one day.
My Third Was a curious bunch. It would unexpectedly stop spinning in the middle of Gran Turismo, Medal of Honor, et al. But I could open the lid, spin the disk myself, shut the lid and it would most of the time catch itself and start spinning again. Then it stopped woring one day.
SO PSXs sucked.
Saturn was not included in the list because it is undoubtedly better, duh :) Can ANYTHING beat Panzer Dragoon? Saga? Shining Force 3? Burning Rangers? X-Men vs. StreetFighter? KOF 97? Radiant Silvergun? Soukougarentai? Deep Fear? etc,etc,etc!! Saturn is by far stil my favorite system.
Eric Jacob
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Saturn was not included in the list because it is undoubtedly better, duh
*cough*
ahem.. I won\'t bother. ;)
- dm
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Originally posted by pstwo
Bozco, That guy at the store is a N64 Fanboy! I just have to name 7 games that N64 can\'t touch. GanTurismo 2, Tekken 3, RE 3, MGS, PE2, Soul Reaver and MOH underground. Theres more, but theres too much to list. I still play PSone games on my PS2. I still like MOH underground! :D
i was so pissed when i got him i started this thread, FF7 beats all the games on the N64 combined except Bond which was a great game
Oh AlteredBeast what were you doing to your PSONE i have owned mine for 4 years and it works perfectly, and the saturn sucked man, yeah its so much better than the PSONE, it sold so many more consoles and the games looked so much better wait NO, genesis was the last good sega console, dreamcast was alright not good or great
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Bozco, how would you realize that Saturn was good? You are a Sony Fanoby after all. Read all your posts as if from an outside source and you will be quite mystified on how dumb you sound. I used to be like you with Sega, but I dont force my opinions on others like I used to.
Yes, it is true, some people have these things called opinions. I happen to think Saturn had better games. Who cares that the games looked worse than their PSX counterparts, they played the same, and sometimes better (thank you NiGHTS pad!) , BTW I still have not seen anything quite as beautiful on PSX as the water in Panzer Dragoon, or the textures in Panzer Dragoon 2.
You have owned yours for 4 years because you were either too young or too poor to own one when it came out. I got my upon launch. So old it could play Japanese games with a simple swap trick. Good luck finding one of thsoe that still work because they were made like an Edsel, piece o trash.
If you dont think Dreamcast was very good or great, then you are truly pathetic, or just arent trying to have fun.
Saturn games:
Panzer, Panzer 2, Daytona ONLINE, Duke 3D ONLINE, Sega Rally ONLINE, Virtual On ONLINE, Shining Force 3, Panzer Saga, Radiant Silvergun, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, X-Men vs. Streetfighter (arcade perfect), Sakura Wars 1 and 2, Virus, Deep Fear, Courier Crisis, Shining Wisdom, Burning Rangers, Quake, etc etc,etc,etc, et effing cetera!
Hold on, refresh my memory, did YOUR 32bit console have ONLINE play? Cause I cant remember if PSX did or not, because I believe mine broke.
Eric Jacob
PS - I did nothing to PSX, it just didnt feel like working 3 times straight.
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i didnt force sh** on you, i just told you how saturn sucked and psx was better
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you obviously put alot of theought into that well detailed response. :rolleyes:
Eric Jacob
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Panzer, Panzer 2, Daytona ONLINE, Duke 3D ONLINE, Sega Rally ONLINE, Virtual On ONLINE, Shining Force 3, Panzer Saga, Radiant Silvergun, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, X-Men vs. Streetfighter (arcade perfect), Sakura Wars 1 and 2, Virus, Deep Fear, Courier Crisis, Shining Wisdom, Burning Rangers, Quake, etc etc,etc,etc, et effing cetera!
Panzer / Panzer 2 - awesome games.
Daytona - 15fps, clipping 2 feet in front of you, no thanks.
Duke 3D - umm, low resolution rehash of the original PC game, nah I\'ll pass.
Sega Rally - Great game. No comments.
Virtual On - Graphically disappointing, played well.
Shining Force 3 - I\'ll take Final Fantasy Tactics.
Panzer Saga - Never went through it,.. heard from many sources that it was great. Looked intriguing.
Radiant Silvergun - The king of shooters.
Resident Evil - Umm, PSX version was much better.
Tomb Raider - See above.
X-men VS Streetfighter - 4mb cart goodness. Bless Capcom.
Sakura Wars 1 / 2 - Never played them.
Virus - "
Deep Fear - "
Courier Crisis - "
Shining Wisdom - Don\'t tell me this is that early 2d game using rendered sprites .. ugh.
Burning Rangers - Never played it, but coming from Sonic Team it should be good.
Quake - yuck.
Here\'s some more Saturn goodness;
Guardian Heroes, Sillhouette Mirage, Six-men scramble, Pocket Fighters, SFZ 3 (best version IMO), Vampire Saviour, Elevator Action Returns, Thunderforce V (psx port sucked), Dragon Force (yum!), All of the Parodius series, Cotton.. and more that I forgot.
The point of my post? Well, I was just bored, and wanted to comment on some Saturn games. There\'s a flipside to every coin, tons of Saturn games sucked, and tons were great. It was definitely worth having a Saturn especially to import. Sadly, I don\'t have one, but had a friend who imported like crazy. PSX was overall better IMO though.
- dm
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dont you mean Zero 3, datamage? :-) Yes, thanks to Capcom and SNK, we got some of the best fighting games on Earth arcade perfect.
I remember when Sega announced that VF3 was going to be released with an 8 meg ram cart!!! wowza that wouldve been cool.
Duke 3D DID have online play though. And CCe wasnt nearly as bad as Daytona USA originally on Saturn.
I guess you could add Darius Gaiden, Virtua Fighter 2, Magic Knight Rayearth, Virtua Cop, among others to the list.
Eric Jacob
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dont you mean Zero 3, datamage? :-)
hehe oops. (will edit my post now) ;-)
It\'s a shame some of the Saturn modes were taken out of the DC version.
- dm
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
you obviously put alot of theought into that well detailed response. :rolleyes:
Eric Jacob
yep
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Originally posted by pstwo
Bozco, That guy at the store is a N64 Fanboy! I just have to name 7 games that N64 can\'t touch. GanTurismo 2, Tekken 3, RE 3, MGS, PE2, Soul Reaver and MOH underground. Theres more, but theres too much to list. I still play PSone games on my PS2. I still like MOH underground! :D
I wouldn\'t say the N64 couldn\'t touch those games. No system sucks, games are the deciding factor. The thing is, that the best rated games between both PSX and N64 were mostly N64, but the PSX had waaaay more good games, so it easily beats out the amazing games N64 has.
You can\'t say the N64 can\'t touch those games, because it\'s all a matter of personal taste. For example, I didn\'t really like Gran Turismo 2 or Resident Evil 3. But then again, I don\'t like racing simulators, and I guess I expected more from RE after Code Veronica for the DC. I may say that Ocarina of Time was great, but I know a lot of people who hated it.
BTW, what\'s everyone\'s top two games from each system?
PSX - Chrono Cross / Metal Gear Solid
N64 - Ocarina of Time / Perfect Dark
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n64 was a piece of **** for gamers like me who like fighters, action,RPGs and racers. n64 was good for people who liked platformers, pokemon crap and bad accliam games
Some n64 games were great, really good like zelda mario kart and turok (first one)
psx won IMO
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Originally posted by Metal_Gear_Ray
n64 was a piece of **** for gamers like me who like fighters, action,RPGs and racers. n64 was good for people who liked platformers, pokemon crap and bad accliam games
Some n64 games were great, really good like zelda mario kart and turok (first one)
psx won IMO
Nintendo 64 was horrible for Fighting and RPG. I disagree with you on racing. It had a huge selection of racing games.
It was good for platformers, FPS, and adventures.
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I agree with bos_hardware n64 was the console which made me bitter towards nintendo and GC (so far) is helping it.
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Originally posted by Bozco
i was so pissed when i got him i started this thread, FF7 beats all the games on the N64 combined except Bond which was a great game
Oh AlteredBeast what were you doing to your PSONE i have owned mine for 4 years and it works perfectly, and the saturn sucked man, yeah its so much better than the PSONE, it sold so many more consoles and the games looked so much better wait NO, genesis was the last good sega console, dreamcast was alright not good or great
Remember, just because a system sells more doesn\'t mean it is great. I mean, by all means the Neo-Geo was a great system, that didn\'t sell alot.
The Saturn problems was.
1: US suprise launch.
2: Price ($400, I believe).
3: Complicated design--which by the way, the PS2 sort of took after.;)
4:A bad taste left in some gamers mouths, after the Sega Cd / 32x fiasco.
Personally, I thought the Saturn was an excellent system and have plenty of great memories. I also enjoyed my Psone--err, my many Psone\'s...
The Saturn was the 2D powerhouse of the 32bit era. While Sony fans\' couldn\'t enjoy Capcom\'s "VS" series to the fullest extent, Saturn owners was. Not to mention the Japanese Saturn controller was sent from heaven.
By the way, the Dreamcast was an excellent system that sadly died too soon. When the DC came out, I bought 5 games and played them constantly, for months. When the Ps2 came out, I bought 6 games and barely played them at all. The DC truly ushed in a new era of gaming, with titles like Resident Evil: Code Veronica, Crazy Taxi, Soul Calibur. I mean, don\'t you find it a tad bit funny that alot of the bigger DC titles are goin\' to the PS2 and everyone is excited? It is because the DC was home to some of the most excellent games. And if Sega didn\'t make quality systems and games, then why is it such a big deal that they are a third party now?;)
Moving on..
I was one of the people who was excited with the N64 when it was known as "Project Reality", then the Ultra64, and then finally, after many delays, the Nintendo 64. I got one on launch day, after waiting out in the cold and had Mario64. After that, I didn\'t get to enjoy it much. Only a few games interested me, games like Zelda. I never liked the N64 controller either. So, sadly I didn\'t really care for my N64. But, with the GameCube I do see a certain restored faith in Nintendo.
On a side note: After see\'in all the complaints of the original PS breaking down and now Ps2 problems, it doesn\'t seem like Sony makes their systems to last. My SNES I actually laid on a furnance and melted the system , so that it was massively deformed and it worked perfect, until I gave it away to one of my little cousins (I bought another). I\'ve dropped my Saturn, spilled stuff on my Genesis, and both have worked perfect.
Weird.
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Yes Living-In-Clip, selling less doesnt make it worse of a system but I always thought the N64 got its ass spanked and everybody else had till this jerk store owner said this, and my psone has stains all over it, its been ripped from the wall by my dad, its been dropped, its been kicked, but thank god it was never drop kicked
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I was one of the people who was excited with the N64 when it was known as "Project Reality", then the Ultra64, and then finally, after many delays, the Nintendo 64
Yup, tell me about it. I remember preaching to my friends about \'Project Reality\' which turned out to be \'Disappointed Reality.\' .. Load-management, performance resembling an onyx workstation. Oh man, the list goes on forever. Nintendo messed up hard-core. I\'m glad I got rid of mine quickly, no game on that pitiful system impresses me.
- dm
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N64: can anyone say: blurry textures?
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PSX: can anyone say crappy graphics overall? :D
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PSX: can anyone say crappy graphics overall?
Crappy graphics from a 32bit system that surpassed those of a superhyped pitiful 64bit machine. And no, not the Jaguar.
- dm
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Originally posted by datamage
Crappy graphics from a 32bit system that surpassed those of a superhyped pitiful 64bit machine. And no, not the Jaguar.
- dm
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L:laughing:L! PSX does NOT have superior graphics when compared to the N64. Why do people keep saying graphics don\'t win a console war and they use N64 as an example? Explain that please.
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Except for a few games, the N64 really did suck. And out of all those games, Mario64 still stands as the best one, in my opinion.
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LL! PSX does NOT have superior graphics when compared to the N64. Why do people keep saying graphics don\'t win a console war and they use N64 as an example? Explain that please.
Hmm, better texturing + higher polygon throughput. Not to mention more stable framerates. People? The majority = ignorant
The N64 is supposed to be the superior machine, and it\'s not. MGS could never be done on that machine, well, @ 15fps it could have. The n64 had horrendous textures, horrible framerates, and extremely low-polygon usage. I have seen and played almost every N64 game, 99% look horrible. The textures and resolution in Zelda make me sick. Argue all you want, it\'s obvious that you\'ll defend Nintendo @ whatever cost. I have played and seen all, and own most. I don\'t care for loyalty.
And btw, when ppl use that phrase, they mean better hardware, not better graphics. Hardware wise, the N64 is supposed to be superior.
- dm
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Originally posted by datamage
Hmm, better texturing + higher polygon throughput. Not to mention more stable framerates. People? The majority = ignorant
The N64 is supposed to be the superior machine, and it\'s not. MGS could never be done on that machine, well, @ 15fps it could have. The n64 had horrendous textures, horrible framerates, and extremely low-polygon usage. I have seen and played almost every N64 game, 99% look horrible. The textures and resolution in Zelda make me sick. Argue all you want, it\'s obvious that you\'ll defend Nintendo @ whatever cost. I have played and seen all, and own most. I don\'t care for loyalty.
And btw, when ppl use that phrase, they mean better hardware, not better graphics. Hardware wise, the N64 is supposed to be superior.
- dm
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Your alone on this one. MGS was not as good looking as Zelda:OOT or PD. It was too dark and was jaggie loaded. The N64 looked better because of alpha-bending, something the PSX didn\'t have and desperately needed.
Find me a PSX game that looks better than CBFD, and then you\'ll be right.
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I sold my N64 to some kid just a week before I got my
PS2.
Overall the N64 dissappointed me in some way. On the
other hand I had some nice gaming times with it.
Like Metal Gear Ray said , if you\'r taste is fighting games, RPG\'s and stuff like that N64 was a bad taste.
As for the graphics. 1st and 2nd party games had great
graphics and some 3rd party did. Alot of 3rd party ports
sucked bigtime.
But the overall N64 public consensus was I guess that it
had blurry graphics and less fluid animation than PSone.
Ha, alot of ppl even think of the PSX\'s pixelated textures
as stylish.
Technically, on paper the N64 sure had more advanced power. But fact is that it also had less polygon power than PSX at 150.000 versus 360.000 of PSX.
Correct me if I\'m wrong though.
On the other side : Rogue Sq. looked superb.... with that 4MB expansion that is.
Anyhow : Nintendo messed up for me. Hate it when kiddy games dominate a console. So far what I\'ve seen of NGC hasn\'t changed that much.
Imo PSX won that generation.
Now, with XBOX, PS2 and NGC it\'s a whole different ballgame.
Knotter8
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Your alone on this one. MGS was not as good looking as Zelda:OOT or PD. It was too dark and was jaggie loaded. The N64 looked better because of alpha-bending, something the PSX didn\'t have and desperately needed.
Do you even know what alpha blending is?
I don\'t stand alone, and if I do, I don\'t need an army to fight with. Both systems look horrible now, but @ the time, n64 made me puke. Perfect Dark? Oh man, I don\'t know how people could withstand those incosistant framerates. To play a real FPS, get a PC.
You can argue it all you want, because there\'s no definitive answer. One man\'s piece of ****, might be another\'s masterpiece.
- dm
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Originally posted by datamage
Do you even know what alpha blending is?
I don\'t stand alone, and if I do, I don\'t need an army to fight with. Both systems look horrible now, but @ the time, n64 made me puke. Perfect Dark? Oh man, I don\'t know how people could withstand those incosistant framerates. To play a real FPS, get a PC.
You can argue it all you want, because there\'s no definitive answer. One man\'s piece of ****, might be another\'s masterpiece.
- dm
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Relaxe man, it\'s not that big of a deal. The N64 has better graphics, woop di doo! They still lost in the end.
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Relaxe man, it\'s not that big of a deal. The N64 has better graphics, woop di doo! They still lost in the end.
I\'m as calm as can be.
And I\'ll leave your comment alone, since we\'re back to the beginning. Frankly I don\'t care for the past.
- dm
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datamage is not alone on this one. We all know I hatye both of these systems equally, and N64 looks like ass. CBFD was not that good looing IMO. MGS DOES look better that Zelda, because n MGS you could tell what was supposed to be wood, metal etc. on N64 is all the same!
Eric Jacob
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N64 had those trademark blurry textures, where as the PS had trademark jaggies and couldn\'t handle 2D very well.
Seems like a fair trade off to me.
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couldn\'t handle 2D very well.
No, I can think of a few notably great 2D efforts, one of the best being the very game your picture comes from :D
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PSX Sucks Blah blah blah
N64 is for Kiddies Blah blah blah
Sorry but hasn\'t this argument been done 1000 times before ?
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I think the N64 Realy isn\'t all that ,i only say that because i realy Do miss my Super Nintendo :crying:......