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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Samwise on May 18, 2001, 12:43:42 AM
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I think it\'s pretty ironic how PS2 fanboys always referred to Xbox as being a small PC and whatnot. But in reality PS2 is far more a mini-PC than Xbox, as PS2 will have Internet browsing, email, AOL deals, realplayer, Flash, DVD playback out of the box, keyboard, mouse, USB, printers, cameras, Firewire etc. MS on the other hand is stressing quite hardly that Xbox is a game machine, not a PC. That\'s why it can only play games and the DVD playback is an option.
Pretty ironic huh?
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:D
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Originally posted by Samwise
I think it\'s pretty ironic how PS2 fanboys always referred to Xbox as being a small PC and whatnot. But in reality PS2 is far more a mini-PC than Xbox, as PS2 will have Internet browsing, email, AOL deals, realplayer, Flash, DVD playback out of the box, keyboard, mouse, USB, printers, cameras, Firewire etc. MS on the other hand is stressing quite hardly that Xbox is a game machine, not a PC. That\'s why it can only play games and the DVD playback is an option.
Pretty ironic huh?
Thank you Sam.
Sam\'s post proves on thing about PS2 central... You don\'t have to kiss ass and be a PS2 fanboy to be a Moderator.
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I have said the exact same thing everytime someone refers to the Xbox as a computer. Now with the new partnerships Sony has announced, it is even closer to a computer then before. I mean, if you want a game console that shows no aspects of the "computer", then go for Nintendo which is stressing itself as a entertainment company, nothing more. MS is aiming for the same thing.
Sony on the other hand, call the Ps2 a "computer entertainment system". I don\'t think this is a bad thing, but it pretty much blows the Ps2 fanboy line--"The xbox is just a scaled down PC"--out of the water.
Now with the Square / Disney RPG, Naughty Dog\'s "Jax and Daxter", oh and the BRitney Spears DVD game, the fanboys can\'t even call Nintendo\'s system a "kiddie system".
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THe truth finally comes out:D
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"There were also indications that the hardware is not entirely stable yet - a crash during Nightcaster revealed a familiar looking PC boot screen, and a Microsoft representative explained that the memory configuration on the floor models was different than that of the final version."
Nuff said!
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Fastson, did you see my earlier post about final PS2 games crashing on final PS2 hardware? You (and everyone else) is only mentioning these problems with the unfinished games on development kits because it\'s MS. Sony isn\'t better it seems - when their games can crash on finished hardware. So, perhaps you shouldn\'t be so quick to point your fingers. :)
Nuff said!
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Sammy, I think you missunderstood me..
You said "PS2 is more PC-ish than Xbox!"
This is what this topic is about, right??
"a crash during Nightcaster revealed a familiar looking PC boot screen , "
PC BOOT screen..
PC in a box, thats Xbox! ;)
(j/k)
PS2 aint a PC!
PS2 is 100% a game console.
But SONY gives you the option to add extra stuff, like internet, Real Player, Cameras ect.
Its up to YOU!
I bought PS2 for the games.
EDIT: All systems crash, my PS2 has crashed about 4 times.
Twice in SSX (ahola ice jam) and twice in Rayman (the ice boss!)
But not in any other games :)
My PC crashes about 30 times a day! ;)
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What\'s the X-box\'s processor? A pentium. Exactly.
GPU? A modified GeForce 3. Exactly.
Emotion Engine + Sony\'s GS does not equal pc components. Don\'t mean to start a flame war, but those are the reasons ppl accuse the xbox of being pc-ish.
I\'m probably getting one, so I couldn\'t care less.
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- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Originally posted by datamage
What\'s the X-box\'s processor? A pentium. Exactly.
GPU? A modified GeForce 3. Exactly.
Emotion Engine + Sony\'s GS does not equal pc components. Don\'t mean to start a flame war, but those are the reasons ppl accuse the xbox of being pc-ish.
I\'m probably getting one, so I couldn\'t care less.
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- the trick is to keep breathing.
Yes, I am aware of that. But despite those \'PC components\' Xbox won\'t have all those PC\'ish options that PS2 has - i.e. almost all the things I mentioned earlier. But to be honest I don\'t really care about the insides of the Xbox - I only care about the games it\'ll deliver, and in that regard I can\'t be anything but positive. :)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Now with the Square / Disney RPG, Naughty Dog\'s "Jax and Daxter", oh and the BRitney Spears DVD game, the fanboys can\'t even call Nintendo\'s system a "kiddie system".
Give me a break Living-In-Clip...Jak and Daxter is attractive not only for children...and the fact that developers will make games for each "age-band" doesn\'t mean PS2 is a kiddy-console like Nintendo\'s one!
Nintendo has a different Target(Younger market)
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Nintendo has a different Target(Younger market)
You\'re half right. They do have a target market... "Gamers."
If GC is for kids, then Xbox is a PC, and PS2 is nothing but a jaggy machine...
-Eik
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True true.
But hardware wise the X-Box is more PC-ish.
But why is that a bad thing?I love PC\'s
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How can a partnership denote PC qualities? AOL has lots of 56k connections up, hell, they outnumber broadband users as a company themselves practically, and lots of people who use AOL may love to on the PS2... and lets also not forget that flash websites, such as MS\'s X-Box website, and many others cannot be viewed by systems without the plugins. A partnership with these two companies means that more people will be open to both surfing the web with a PS2 and cruising more websites. I know a lot of people who used a DC with a VGA adapter just to surf the web, but complained because they couldn\'t view certain pages.
Then of course there\'s RealPlayer for streaming videos... I personally hate RP and wish it to the depth of hell... but that\'s just my opinion of course ;)
In any case, having companies support your system to make surfing the web an easy task can\'t be a bad thing. We all love to play games online, but I also do a lot more with my BB connectionthen play CS, B&W and a few others. You may call it "PC-ish" sammy, but I call it tools for the enviornment.
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believe at this current moment that PS2 is more PC with all the new options that will come but i bet when Xbox finally gets its Online up and going it will have plenty of these options
but hell no one sould argue whether the PS2 is like a PC - i mean come on Sony even calls it a "Home COMPUTER Entertainment System" or something like that
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Samwise where the **** are you getting your info from?how the hell do you know what the Xbox is going to have and what it isnt?alot of the new PCish things for the PS2 are for the internet,the things you require to view the web properly these days,and i am very happy that sony,has these deals wrapped up.
My views of you as a mod have really gone down,i carnt believe you started a thread like this!!!!!!!
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I think its ironic MS is so scared of Xbox being tagged as a PC yet the only way they can distinguish it as not being one is to withhold features most consumers would find very useful. Sony has no such fear and is making the most of the PS2 being a powerful affordable home computer.
Correct me if I\'m wrong but I think at the root of the xbox=PC argument was the games generally have a PC look about them. So far it appears to still hold true. Some PS2 and GC devs have shown they can manage to break that mold. Care if you do, don\'t if you don\'t.
Here\'s irony and a paradox: a PS2 fanboy is no worse than a anti-fanboy "fanboy".
Generalizing and trash talking about consoles is okay by me, doing it to PS2 fans here isn\'t. Geez Sam, aren\'t you supposed to be one of the guys that goes around trying to keep the peace?
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My views of you as a mod have really gone down,i carnt believe you started a thread like this!!!!!!!
Ethan_Hunt shut your F*Cking mouth you should like such a DlCK. Go pull your head out of SONY\'S ass.
Samwise is an excellent MOD, just because he\'s not biased towards XBOX, and isn\'t a morbid FANBOY like you doesn’t give you a right to pick on him.
Generalizing and trash talking about consoles is okay by me, doing it to PS2 fans here isn\'t. Geez Sam, aren\'t you supposed to be one of the guys that goes around trying to keep the peace?
MY GOD, FANBOY alert!!!! attention FAnboy alert.
Samwise I have a great deal of respect for your integrity here, I know it\'s hard to speak the truth some times, and in that process you take the risk of getting flamed by these lamers, but remember these FANBOYS who can\'t stop sucking on SONY\'s Dlck, simply aren’t worth it. It\'s funny how the only people here who objects to your thread samwise just happen to be anti-Xbox(of course they wont admit it)
PS2 = mini PC oh and yeah a console to.
XBOX= game console -and just because it has pc components doesn’t mean it\'s a pc. It\'s how they use the system, and PS2 is trying to be a mini-portable home
PC
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Don\'t over react Ethan.
Sam was only trying to inform those who bash the X-Box for being to PC-ish,while ignoring the PC-ishness of the PS.2.
Sony is just getting alot of people to work with them.They are trying to appeal to all age groups.
MS will do the same.
(Do keep in mind that the X-Box is 100% normal x86 hardware)
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(Do keep in mind that the X-Box is 100% normal x86 hardware
not really, but very close. Anyhow what\'s your point?
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That even though they have games that aren\'t PC ports (it was talked about that it would only have a bunch of ports and very few original games),and say all the time that this is a games console.It\'s still based on available technoligy.
But they are right,doesn\'t matter what it\'s based on it is a games console.It\'s being marketed as one,it\'ll have alot of games.It\'s a games console,
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Well, oh well, this thread has certainly gotten some people out of the bush. :)
By Ryu:
In any case, having companies support your system to make surfing the web an easy task can\'t be a bad thing. We all love to play games online, but I also do a lot more with my BB connectionthen play CS, B&W and a few others. You may call it "PC-ish" sammy, but I call it tools for the enviornment.
I never said that I think PS2 is bad, or the deals, hardware, options etc for PS2 are bad. Not at all. I was simply pointing out the irony in what many fanboys had been using against a rival console - I think AlteredBeast would be more than happy to classify this as a classic example of having double standards. On a personal sidenote, I\'d much rather surf on my computer monitor with high resolution and a high refresh rate, but to each his own.
By Ethan:
Samwise where the **** are you getting your info from?how the hell do you know what the Xbox is going to have and what it isnt?alot of the new PCish things for the PS2 are for the internet,the things you require to view the web properly these days,and i am very happy that sony,has these deals wrapped up.
My views of you as a mod have really gone down,i carnt believe you started a thread like this!!!!!!!
Um... I think you\'re going a bit over the top here. All I said was the truth and I wanted a debate in this nice console debating forum. Just because I\'m a moderator doesn\'t mean I\'m stupid, that I don\'t have an opinion nor that I am a 100% Sony fanboy. If me being unbiased offends you, or the fact that I also have opinions, then I can\'t do anything but regret your views. I hope I\'ll gain back some respect from you in the future. If not, well, then there really isn\'t much I can do about it. I can only hope you\'ll think this through rationally and eventually conclude that I am right.
By Heretic:
Generalizing and trash talking about consoles is okay by me, doing it to PS2 fans here isn\'t. Geez Sam, aren\'t you supposed to be one of the guys that goes around trying to keep the peace?
[/b]I don\'t think untrue trash talking of consoles is okay. But how am I \'trash talking\' PS2 fans? For speaking the truth? I can\'t help to think that the people who are offended of this thread are the very people that it applies to. The onces who weren\'t in such a hurry to diss Xbox because \'it\'s a PC\' or whatever, don\'t take offence in this (note, I\'m not saying that this does indeed apply to you...). And trust me, I keep order and peace in here every single day.
Bottomline is: PS2 is a good console. But it does seem pretty ironic to me how Sony is making it a "computer entertainment system" whereas MS (the evil PC software developer) is focusing more on a "games-only" machine. And I think any levelheaded gamer would agree with me here - they shouldn\'t take offense at least.
PS. Thanks for those who stood up for me. :)
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Sam was right, everyone should stop ridin\' on \'im. It seems obvious that some fanboys can\'t take the critisizm as well as they dish it out... how sad.
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Sam was right, everyone should stop ridin\' on \'im. It seems obvious that some fanboys can\'t take the critisizm as well as they dish it out... how sad.
Indeed
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Samwise, I was already keen on the fact that the PS2 is indeed a mini PC. I just never looked at this post because I new some people would flame you (I knew WHO too) and what it would be about. I have looked at nearly all other topics and appreciate the nod towards my passion of DS looking :) thanks a bunch and be on the lookout, believe it or not, they run rampant on here!
Eric Jacob
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Amazing, that some of you think Sam should keep his opinion to himself or be a Ps2 fanboy.
Some of you sit and ***** about how the Xbox is nothing but a mini-pc, but has anyone announced a third party USB zip drive for the Xbox? Uh. No. They sure did for the PS2 though. How about the Real Player / AOL partnership? Or maybe the HD add-on? I mean, at least MS is throwing in the hard-drive, where as Sony\'s whole hard drive seems to be an after thought. It is just ironic, that some PS2 fanboys sit and complain that the Xbox is NOTHING but a mini-pc. Well, maybe so. But, MS has said time and time again they are making a game machine. Where as Sony is adding all these things--making it more a PC then even the Xbox, and don\'t even market it as a game console. It is a "computer entertainment system". Now, I don\'t personally see the big deal in it. As long as the games are good, I don\'t give a damn what they market it as. But it doesn\'t make sense for Ps2 fans to trash the Xbox, just because it has PC parts and the MS logo.
Give me a break Living-In-Clip...Jak and Daxter is attractive not only for children...and the fact that developers will make games for each "age-band" doesn\'t mean PS2 is a kiddy-console like Nintendo\'s one!
Maybe so. But, who is to say Mario isn\'t attractive to mature gamers? The fact is, people go around making fun of Nintendo because their games are somewhat "kiddie\'ish" in looks, and yet Sony seems to have plenty of "kiddie" games on their system. I personally love these so called "kiddie" games, but if a fanboy is goin\' to point out something out about another system, they should at least look at theirs first and notice the irony of it.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Maybe so. But, who is to say Mario isn\'t attractive to mature gamers? The fact is, people go around making fun of Nintendo because their games are somewhat "kiddie\'ish" in looks, and yet Sony seems to have plenty of "kiddie" games on their system. I personally love these so called "kiddie" games, but if a fanboy is goin\' to point out something out about another system, they should at least look at theirs first and notice the irony of it.
...I know what you mean...and yes...agreed...however I love the Nintendo "so called kiddie games" too and I can\'t wait for Mario and Nintendo\'s first and second Party Games ! ;)
I never meant "Younger Market" as something denigrating !
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Originally posted by Samwise
But how am I \'trash talking\' PS2 fans?
By saying the following;
Originally posted by Samwise
I think it\'s pretty ironic how PS2 fanboys always referred to Xbox as being a small PC and whatnot.
In a PS2 forum the statement is flame bait. Substitute xbox bashers or MS h8ters for PS2 fanboy and it might not have seemed so bad. Instead it pigeonholes those here who view Xbox as little more than a powerful PC(whatnot?) into the lame category of PS2 fanboy. The irony trying to be pointed out only comes into play by ignoring the basic difference in the CPU\'s but I guess you went over that and don\'t care. So much for irony. You guys should know damn well the PCish factor leveled at xbox has nothing to do with surfing the net, email, or zip drives. Come to think of it, just the title alone was enough to warrant catching crap. And so it flows- while good old Sam the mod gets backed up by TOT with his colorful potty mouth and repeated screams of fanboy. Doesn\'t that make you feel all warm and fuzzy Sam?
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Heretic, I think you\'re wrong. I said PS2 fanboys - I didn\'t say PS2 fans. I hate fanboys and whatever system they love doesn\'t matter to me! If they\'re PS2 fanboys then they\'re just as bad as GC/Xbox fanboys in my opinion. There\'s no excuse for being a fanboy. Don\'t think because I\'m moderator at a PS2 forum I like PS2 fanboys more - because I don\'t. If you have a problem with that, then there\'s nothing I can do.
I know the Xbox components are more "PC\'ish" than PS2, but the IRONY here is that EVEN though Xbox has PC\'ish components it focuses on GAMING and it doesn\'t have all those non-gaming options that PS2 does. That is a fact my dear man. And here is the irony I was talking about - do you understand it now?
BTW, you don\'t have to lecture me about anything. I should think I know what I\'m doing. :rolleyes:
Oh well, can\'t please them all.
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I think Samwise was totally in the right to post this subject. The PS2 is becomming more an more like a PC with it\'s functionality every day. Hell you can even program on it thanks to Ybasic or whatever that program Sony released in Europe was. Not to mention the Linux dev kits that while being meant only for developers are being sold to anyone who can foot the cash. (Least, that\'s the way I understand it.) I don\'t think there\'s anything wrong with that. Remember that all these add-ons are just that... add-ons. The PS2 can be a Mini-pc... IF you want it to be one. At it\'s core, it\'s still a kick ass gaming console.
Now I\'m not going to act all innocent and say I\'ve never called the Xbox a mini-pc. I have, several times. But I wasn\'t complaining about the functionality.. I was complaining about the archetecture. Personally, no matter how well it works, I still think MS set the console industry backward a few steps by using off the shelf PC components and sticking to the X86 archetecture. Yeah, it\'s tried and true.. but there\'s gotta be a better way out there. It\'s through experimentation and trying new things that more efficent and better hardware configurations are discovered. The Dreamcast, PS2, and GameCube have all created (or hired someone else to create) new archetecture for their consoles. And I applaud their efforts to further the industry through innovation. But not Microsoft. They may have the most powerful hardware, capable of creating graphics which will send you into an eplileptic seziure of joy... but as Ryu once said.. As far as innovation and originality is concerned, Xbox\'s hardware brings nothing new to the gaming table.
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TheOgodlyThing,i havent got my head up Sonys Arse,you ****,i have a DC,will get an Xbox,and Gamcube,all i was saying was,how does Samwise know what Xbox is going to have and what it isnt?
And look at what this thread did,just made people angry!!!ok,you siad i was a **** with my head up sony arse!!!didnt know sony was an actual person but there you go,now if i had made this thread,then i would have got **** on BIG time,but because a mod made this thread,it is ok to say what you like.
Look i dont what to have any bad feelings with people on this forum ok,so what do you say no hard feeling TheOgodlyThing and Samwise?
p.s And Samwise i am sorry for what i said,but that is how i felt at the time i read it,but i am sorry now.
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i dont what to have any bad feelings with people on this forum ok,so what do you say no hard feeling TheOgodlyThing and Samwise?
I\'m sorry if i got angry, i admit i got abit overboard and could have handled it a bit better. Anyhow it\'s COOL
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can you feel the love :p
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Convergence, the over-used buzz word as of late, is a reality. Expect MS to follow similar actions when Xbox is available to the public, and when online play is close to a reality. Sony is just a little further down the road at this point. No biggy, really.
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Thanks samwise and TheOgodlyThing,for no hard feelings,i think the best thing for me to do,is just stay out of this thread,see ya later people: )
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Originally posted by Samwise
I think it\'s pretty ironic how PS2 fanboys always referred to Xbox as being a small PC and whatnot. But in reality PS2 is far more a mini-PC than Xbox, as PS2 will have Internet browsing, email, AOL deals, realplayer, Flash, DVD playback out of the box, keyboard, mouse, USB, printers, cameras, Firewire etc. MS on the other hand is stressing quite hardly that Xbox is a game machine, not a PC. That\'s why it can only play games and the DVD playback is an option.
Pretty ironic huh?
Yeah your right but.......
I think Sony wants to do more that just hold back Excusive games from Microsoft.
Remember when the X box was announced, was there the start of this whole you can use our PS2 like a make shift PC......
Looks like with this console war none of the companyes want to be out done by ANY of their rivals.
Nintendo rain on Microsofts Launch by moving their\'s before the X box.....
Microsoft starts to steel games form the PS2....
And Sony aim for Microsofts online promise..
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To everyone who thinks Sam should not post this here I want you to do something. Hit the back button on your browser and look at the name of this forum, what does it say? CONSOLE DEBATING!!! Sammy has every right to post this here.
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Originally posted by Samwise
I hate fanboys
Originally posted by Heretic
a PS2 fanboy is no worse than a anti-fanboy "fanboy".
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Originally posted by Heretic
a PS2 fanboy is no worse than a anti-fanboy "fanboy".
READ this very carefully before you call anyone a FAnBOY AGAIN ! :mad:
Originally posted by Samwise
Heretic, I think you\'re wrong. I said PS2 fanboys - I didn\'t say PS2 fans. I hate fanboys and whatever system they love doesn\'t matter to me! If they\'re PS2 fanboys then they\'re just as bad as GC/Xbox fanboys in my opinion. There\'s no excuse for being a fanboy. Don\'t think because I\'m moderator at a PS2 forum I like PS2 fanboys more - because I don\'t. If you have a problem with that, then there\'s nothing I can do.
I know the Xbox components are more "PC\'ish" than PS2, but the IRONY here is that EVEN though Xbox has PC\'ish components it focuses on GAMING and it doesn\'t have all those non-gaming options that PS2 does. That is a fact my dear man. And here is the irony I was talking about - do you understand it now?
BTW, you don\'t have to lecture me about anything. I should think I know what I\'m doing.
Oh well, can\'t please them all.
Wise words From th Wise man, read and Take in !
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Thank you 00seven, I\'ll let your post speak for itself and not bother with him again.
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Damn being in the UK sucks, before I can comment I need to read through about 20 posts. :)
Here are my wise words. :p
First thing I really hate when people use bad language to try and prove a point, when really it just prooves how much of a **** they are.
Anyway back to the thread.
From what I can tell your saying PS2 is more PC like than X-Box because of all the additional extras.
Well that is true to a sense but by no means does it prove that fact.
For starters these extras are, extras. No one forces you to purchase them and its not like Sony included them in the original package. However they wernt money grabbing like Microsoft and used some lame excuse that because this is a "real" console for games you HAVE TO BUY a DVD remote to use the DVD. Yeah nice one Microsoft. ;)
Secondly, these extras aren\'t bad. Games consoles have evolved over the years, they can now play DVDs, they can now surf the net etc. This means what ? That a console is more PC like, well if thats true then I want my console to be more PC like.
Finally X-Box will have these features. I would put money on it that the X-Box will eventually be able to go online and the likes.
So really this debate isn\'t about the extras. Its down to one thing, image. Believe it or not the Playstation has invented quite a good image among casual gamers as being "cool" whilst Microsoft is seen as nerdy, the X-Box is seen as a small PC.
Any fanboys who are going to argue about this aren\'t obviously the hardcore gamers they make out to be.
Prehaps technically the console with the most addons is like a PC but in theory what fanboy is going to know that, they are basing there facts down to image, and theres no doubt about it that a microsoft console is more pc like than a sony console based on the image of the two companies.
Microsoft try to avoid this attention by saying its a games machine only. I bet it has the same addons soon enough (repeated myself I know but its true).
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In my opinion Samwise started this debate and a lot of gamers tired to argue about which is more PC like in terms of hardware. Well neither they are both consoles. They will probably both have internet access and in turn flash support too.
In terms of image which is what started this whole thing off (people accusing the X-Box to be PC like) well you can see where there coming from. I mean I don\'t agree with them but Microsoft, the biggest company in the PC world is making this console. Its based on x86 archutecture. Its leader is Bill Gates and The Rock. ;)
Finally no im not a fanboy in anyway. I own many consoles from different companies and a PC. I like games. Im not loyal to any particular console company.
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Originally posted by RichGUK
Here are my wise words. :p
First thing I really hate when people use bad language to try and prove a point, when really it just prooves how much of a **** they are.
now how is that for IRONY - :D j/k
but dang for a minute there i thought we were debating about the PCishness of each console... oh whats that we were ok then back to the topic
i think that each console will slowly turn to Portable PCs with the introduction of the internet - The Internet is bringing in a lot of accessories that weren\'t needed before
like the Iomega Zip Drive wouldn\'t be needed if there was no Internet stuff - for one the Zip drive will store custom features of games and stuff like that - well where would you get those - from the internet
really i love my PC and don\'t really mind my PS2 being turned into one - as long as it stays portable
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This is ironic. PC,PC, and more PC. The poor PC cant be a PC by itself no more. All along these new consoles are all secretly PC wanna bees buzzing all around. Thats old. The PS2 is quickly turning in to PC port machine enjoying many originals and thier follow ups. Ironic. The XBox was accused of this. I dont want to see the PC type games on the PS2..I want to see PS2 games! I already have these games for PC. And by the way PC games won E3...again. KEEP PLAYING. :D
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So from what I read so far, people think that PC components are bad. What\'s so bad about PC components if they all contribute to an awesome system like Xbox is? PS2 can internally be a game machine, but that don\'t mean sh*t if all it does is run web browsers and Linux. The only PC part in Xbox is the Pentium III and that\'s it! The NV2A may be based on the GF3 but it won\'t work in a PC.
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From what I\'ve read the NV2A is basically a GF.3 which has been modified to use the UMA instead of the normal onboard memory.
But there doesn\'t seem to be alot of info available on it.
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According to some sources Xbox represents the peak in graphics possible using the PC technology that has been the standard over the last thirty years. The only thing wrong with the concept is graphics-wise it has always been a makeshift setup for handling that particular application, while we\'ve seen steady improvement over the years its now reached the point of noticeably diminishing returns with substantial increases in processing power.
For the record: I think Sam is the Man, I like him as a person and respect him as a mod. You may well say ‘you got a strange way of showing it dude\'. True, but if I didn\'t think highly of him I\'d never of bothered to try and say more than just my little spiel about the topic at hand.
We all hate, the important thing is to try our best not to
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Originally posted by Heretic
For the record: I think Sam is the Man, I like him as a person and respect him as a mod. You may well say ‘you got a strange way of showing it dude\'. True, but if I didn\'t think highly of him I\'d never of bothered to try and say more than just my little spiel about the topic at hand.
Ok, thanks man. I respect that. No hard feelings. :)
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"So from what I read so far, people think that PC components are bad. What\'s so bad about PC components if they all contribute to an awesome system like Xbox is?" - DirectXbox
Well the Pentium III used in the Xbox is a modified version, so I\'m not quite sure if it would work in a PC either. The thing is, it\'s x86 archetecture using slight modifications of off the shelf hardware. As has been said before, x86 archetecture is NOT optimal for gaming. The Xbox kicks ass in graphics, but that\'s because it has the NV2A. If it wasn\'t for the graphics chip.. the Xbox wouldn\'t be able to do jack sh*t. Now the PS2 on the otherhand has a weaker (and often neglected) GPU in it. A lot of what the NV2A does in the Xbox, the Emotion Engine does in the PS2. If the GPU in the PS2 were beefed up to the NV2A\'s standards, there\'s no way in hell the Xbox could keep up with Sony\'s console.
So really, even though it\'s the most powerful console out there this generation, the P3 processor is really holding the Xbox back from what it could have been if it had an archetecture (and processor) fully optimised for gaming.
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Those are some serious thoughts being thrown there. I do believe that MS knew the NV2A(200mil to Nvidia to develop) would not need much CPU remember it started out at 500MHZ the move to the 733 was mostly symbolic. The Graphics Synthesizer in the PS2 was ahead of its time. The concept alone was market changing. The PS2 looked to blow everyone out of the market. In order the save thier part of the market Nvidia developed the GPU which promised to help slower CPUs and take the lions share of the graphics processing chores. Now the GF3=NV2A are almost CPU-GPU all on thier own not relying on the Main Prossesor for as much help as before. The P3 is backing up the NV2A which is the real star of the X-Box. Keep PLaying.:D
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Originally posted by Ethan_Hunt
Samwise where the **** are you getting your info from?how the hell do you know what the Xbox is going to have and what it isnt?alot of the new PCish things for the PS2 are for the internet,the things you require to view the web properly these days,and i am very happy that sony,has these deals wrapped up.
My views of you as a mod have really gone down,i carnt believe you started a thread like this!!!!!!!
Just what the hell are you referring to???
So you think that the Dev kit is what the final Xbox will look like? Why don\'t you read the CVG article on what the final Xbox looks like...
You know what they said? IT boots up in under a second and the only thing you see is an Xbox logo...
Learn to think before you open your mouth.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
I think Samwise was totally in the right to post this subject. The PS2 is becomming more an more like a PC with it\'s functionality every day. Hell you can even program on it thanks to Ybasic or whatever that program Sony released in Europe was. Not to mention the Linux dev kits that while being meant only for developers are being sold to anyone who can foot the cash. (Least, that\'s the way I understand it.) I don\'t think there\'s anything wrong with that. Remember that all these add-ons are just that... add-ons. The PS2 can be a Mini-pc... IF you want it to be one. At it\'s core, it\'s still a kick ass gaming console.
Now I\'m not going to act all innocent and say I\'ve never called the Xbox a mini-pc. I have, several times. But I wasn\'t complaining about the functionality.. I was complaining about the archetecture. Personally, no matter how well it works, I still think MS set the console industry backward a few steps by using off the shelf PC components and sticking to the X86 archetecture. Yeah, it\'s tried and true.. but there\'s gotta be a better way out there. It\'s through experimentation and trying new things that more efficent and better hardware configurations are discovered. The Dreamcast, PS2, and GameCube have all created (or hired someone else to create) new archetecture for their consoles. And I applaud their efforts to further the industry through innovation. But not Microsoft. They may have the most powerful hardware, capable of creating graphics which will send you into an eplileptic seziure of joy... but as Ryu once said.. As far as innovation and originality is concerned, Xbox\'s hardware brings nothing new to the gaming table.
SonyFan,
You don\'t have to have an entirely different architecture to make a console. And in fact, the x86 IS a new architecture. How many other consoles utilize it? ZERO.
Why try and re-invent the wheel? You only end up doing injustice to yourself. MS realized that to get the greatest bang in the least amount of time, the X86 was the best way to go. It would keep their costs low, people were already familiar with it, and it is a very powerful architecture. Sure, they could have gone with a different machine altogether, but that would mean higher costs incurred, and there are no appearant benefits to having a different architecture. The Xbox is already touted as the most advanced of the next gen consoles.
So why would MS go for a different architecture? For the sake of saying they did and to incur a higher cost? That is a stupid reason to do anything.
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Originally posted by TheMistaWhoKnow
You don\'t have to have an entirely different architecture to make a console. And in fact, the x86 IS a new architecture. How many other consoles utilize it? ZERO.
Why try and re-invent the wheel? You only end up doing injustice to yourself. MS realized that to get the greatest bang in the least amount of time, the X86 was the best way to go. It would keep their costs low, people were already familiar with it, and it is a very powerful architecture. Sure, they could have gone with a different machine altogether, but that would mean higher costs incurred, and there are no appearant benefits to having a different architecture. The Xbox is already touted as the most advanced of the next gen consoles.
So why would MS go for a different architecture? For the sake of saying they did and to incur a higher cost? That is a stupid reason to do anything.
And to piggyback of THeMistWhoKnow\'s post, you guys also have to realize that this is Microsoft\'s FIRST attempt at a console. It does not make sense for them to enter into the fray and try to revolutionize gaming w/ a unique architecture that has never been thought of before. Maybe w/ the Xbox2 but not their first outing. THe same goes for the PS2. Do you think Sony would still be around if they tried to break into the industry with a chip like the Emotion Engine? Developers are already hesitent to jump on board w/ a new company and if the architecture is totally new to them they are even less likely to support them.
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Originally posted by fastson
"There were also indications that the hardware is not entirely stable yet - a crash during Nightcaster revealed a familiar looking PC boot screen, and a Microsoft representative explained that the memory configuration on the floor models was different than that of the final version."
Nuff said!
hehehe, you arn\'t that bright, are you? :) The games were on PC\'s!!!!!! They were on unfinished development kits and the final console was shown with final hardware behind closed doors.
By the way, I was at E3. Nintendo\'s games also crashed. Silicon Knight\'s Eternal Darkness went down like the titanic.
At least the xbox and gamecube won\'t boot up with a browser using flash, real audio and the like.
This is what is so unattractive about the PS2 to me. I own a laptop and two desktop PC\'s, the last thing I need is another computer (ala PS2), thanks but no thanks.
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You Dont have to make PS2 into a computer. They only offer the products, no one is forcing you to go online with it, buy a keyboard and mouse, or anything else. Fact is, without all the so called computer attachments, without all them, the machine still has some GREAT games.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
You Dont have to make PS2 into a computer. They only offer the products, no one is forcing you to go online with it, buy a keyboard and mouse, or anything else. Fact is, without all the so called computer attachments, without all them, the machine still has some GREAT games.
Eric Jacob
Indeed, nobody says you have to buy those things. GT3, MGS2, FFX etc. runs just fine without those. They are just options.