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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: gamer2000 on May 20, 2001, 07:53:27 AM
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Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon? I don\'t think so. Nintendo had arguably the best showing and they didn\'t show Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon. That just gives me that much more respect for Nintendo. I thought I\'d post that because I just realized this and maybe some of you guys still haven\'t realized it.
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That\'s where you\'re wrong. Mario, Pikachu, and Link were shown in SSB2. :p And Luigi Mansion is classified as a Mario game in my book.
I was not impressed with the games. They are still way too kiddie. The graphics of the system are good, but they are not any better than the Xbox or PS2 IMO.
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Stop that "nintendo is kiddie!" bull****! I\'m so sick of it. Nintendo makes great games. Fun and innovative. Don\'t be a hayta. Nintendo is #1 in my book.
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Originally posted by Animal Mother
Stop that "nintendo is kiddie!" bull****! I\'m so sick of it. Nintendo makes great games. Fun and innovative. Don\'t be a hayta. Nintendo is #1 in my book.
Well, there is no denying that the mass demographic auidence Nintendo tries to appeal to is the under 12 age group. This however does not mean the games are less compelling, interesting, and all in general fun.
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Come talk to me when Nintendo as a whole makes new games rather than more sequels.
Metroid, Luigi, SSB, Rogue Squadron, Star Fox, etc,etc,etc are all sequels to old games!! Come up with some new stuff would ya!
Eric Jacob
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Same sort of thing can be said about PS2.
GT3
Silent Hill 2
Resident Evil: CV Complete
Tekken Tag
DOA2: Hardcore
Ridge Racer 5
Wetrix 2
The sequels ain\'t the problem I don\'t think, its the fact that Nintendo have a target audience full stop. I mean both Sony and Microsoft don\'t really have any audience as kiddy and mature games will be released.
It does seem that the majority of Nintendo games are generally based for kids. So far the current list isn\'t promising either but there should still be more than enough mature games for the console. Its really too early to tell what will happen.
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Originally posted by gamer2000
Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon? I don\'t think so. Nintendo had arguably the best showing and they didn\'t show Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon. That just gives me that much more respect for Nintendo. I thought I\'d post that because I just realized this and maybe some of you guys still haven\'t realized it.
i DISAGREE compared to sony and ms nintendo was so lackluster. The games they showed off did not look bad, but they are nothing but the same old titles we new they already going to develope. And second they did not blow the competition out of the water so I say your wrong.
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Well I think Nintendo\'s E3 was disapointing, yet still the best E3 out of Sony and Microsoft.
I mean considering not much was known about the Nintendo Gamecube, it could have been a lot better. We didn\'t learn much new information and most of the games that were on show, you could have guessed they were in development.
The most interesting news was the release date of the Gamecube in my opinion. :)
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What you people don\'t seem to realize is that Nintendo does not makes games specifically for kids. They make games that can be enjoyed by broad audiences (Kids/Teens/Young Adults), whereas the developers that you people admire cater only to your specific age group (Teen/Young Adult). How could so many of you people be under such a false notion?
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Originally posted by XBOX
i DISAGREE compared to sony and ms nintendo was so lackluster. The games they showed off did not look bad, but they are nothing but the same old titles we new they already going to develope.
So I guess you\'re saying that you had no idea what games were being developed for Sony and MS. I don\'t know about you, but the majority of the titles that were announced for all three consoles weren\'t that much of a surprise. If I had to pick though, I\'d say Nintendo made the biggest splash on me with their upcoming games. I mean come on, can you honestly say that you knew...
Duke Nuken Forever
Raven Blade
Thornado
Metroid Prime
Turok Evolution
Perfect Dark Zero
Rogue Leader
Eternal Darkness
Resident Evil: 0
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dradon
Tekken Tag Tournament
Too Human
Rogue Spear
NBA Courtside 2002
RRV
1080 2 Snowboarding
Zelda GameCube
F-Zero
Wave Race: Blue Storm
Phantasy Star onlin Ver 2
Batman
NFL Blitz
NHL Hitz
Crazy Taxi
Extreme G3
18 Wheeler: American Pro Trucker
Legends of Wrestling
All Star Baseball 2002
Madden NFL
Tony Hawk\'s Pro Skater
SSX: Special Edition
Virtual Striker 3
Mario Gamecube
Kameo
Luigi\'s Mansion
Smash Brothers Melee
Rayman Tribe
Pikmin
Monkey Ball
Mario Kart
Donkey Kong Racing
were in the works for GC??
And second they did not blow the competition out of the water so I say your wrong.
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I don\'t think any one company blew anyone out the water this E3. Sony, MS, and Nintendo all looked spectacular to me.
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Rasputin,
I think you\'re wrong here. Of course Nintendo isn\'t gonna say that a game like Luigi\'s Mansion is specially aimed at 12 years and under. They would never make such a statement to the media, they would only hurt their own sales potential. :nut:
But Nintendo knows it\'s biggest buck and that\'ll always
be the young gamer.
If you read most of the interviews with developers (3rd party ), every time they stress that they think about what game of theirs goes to what console.
Every dev says that their mature game goes to PS2 and XBOX and their kiddy or \'all ages game\' goes to a Nintendo console.
Xample : Konami - huge multiplatform dev. MGS2 to PS2
Silent HIll 2 to PS2 , the X versions to XBOX.
Konami stated officially Silent Hill 2 won\'t appear on NGC because of it\'s gruesomeness.
Maybe you say : " But it\'s coming to GBC or GBA ! "
That\'s always been the case, because the handheld is a graphic less explicit format. That\'s why GB always had stacks of mature games like PSX and the N64 didn\'t.
When I had my N64 and I played Diddy ( which was fun though ) ppl said it was gay or that I should grow up ! )
The kiddy image is, and will always be, Nintendo\'s paradoxal dillemma. Their strength is their weakness or vica versa. ( maybe their strength portion is just a bit bigger ! ) :D
Knotter8
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The ONLY games that could even be thought of as kiddie are Pikmin and Luigi\'s Mansion. Out of all the games shown and announced how does that make the GCN lineup kiddie? Get your head out of your ass.
Hey Altered, why did Sega\'s remakes sell the best?
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Nintendo did alright if your a Nintendo fan
Overall E3 pretty much left no doubt in my mind that Xbox will be my 2nd console
Nintendo makes some cool games I guess but I really think they\'re overrated. I still see a heluva alot more games on the PS2 that interests me a lot more then 90% of GC titles thus far.
I honestly don\'t understand how anyone came to the conclussion that Nintendo stole the show.
Everything I\'ve seen says SOny has alot going for them
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Dammit, how many times must I say that Nintendo, as a whole, isn\'t the one developing these so called "kiddy" games (Go ahead, name one.)?? They\'re all coming from Rare, Rare and HAL (Pokemon and Banjo). Why is this so hard to get through to you people??
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Originally posted by hyper
Dammit, how many times must I say that Nintendo, as a whole, isn\'t the one developing these so called "kiddy" games (Go ahead, name one.)?? They\'re all coming from Rare, Rare and HAL (Pokemon and Banjo). Why is this so hard to get through to you people??
it really doesn\'t matter now does it. They\'re all Nintendo 2nd parties so it techically Nintendo
Don\'t take it so seriously, but the fact remains the GC is already geared towards the young.
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Gohan, me and you are two different guys. I dont really care at ALL what games sell the best. I just like what plays the best, and what has been playing the best from Sega has alot of the time been new stuff for the past couple years.
Look at:
Sega GT
Jet Set Radio
PSO (arguably just a MRPG with the glorious PS name slapped on it)
Monkey Ball
Air Trix
Skies of Arcadia
Chu Chu Rocket
Outtrigger
etc.
Sells the best? most of these games sold HORRIBLY, but these are some of the best games Sega has offered the past couple years.
Show me some games Nintendo has made in the past couple (2) years that have been new.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Gohan, me and you are two different guys. I dont really care at ALL what games sell the best. I just like what plays the best, and what has been playing the best from Sega has alot of the time been new stuff for the past couple years.
Look at:
Sega GT
Jet Set Radio
PSO (arguably just a MRPG with the glorious PS name slapped on it)
Monkey Ball
Air Trix
Skies of Arcadia
Chu Chu Rocket
Outtrigger
etc.
Sells the best? most of these games sold HORRIBLY, but these are some of the best games Sega has offered the past couple years.
Show me some games Nintendo has made in the past couple (2) years that have been new.
Eric Jacob
So what it all comes down to is; does a game necessarily have to be new to be good??
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Originally posted by ddaryl
it really doesn\'t matter now does it. They\'re all Nintendo 2nd parties so it techically Nintendo
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Technically, no. What angers me is when people call any game even remotely related to Nintendo "kiddy," (doesn\'t matter if it comes from Silicon Knights or Retro) which in fact only come from two branches of the company.
Don\'t take it so seriously, but the fact remains the GC is already geared towards the young.
How is the GC geared toward the young?? I just can\'t figure out the logic behind that...
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Of ocurse not, many of Sega\'s, Nintendo\'s, etc.\'s sequels are great games, but when you are playing the same game as you were the year before with a couple new features or twists, it gets quite annoying. Case in Point would be Mario Party 3.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Show me some games Nintendo has made in the past couple (2) years that have been new.
Thats the thing. Nintendo hasn\'t made a game in a while. Most of their resources have been working on the GCN and GBA.
When Nintendo does make a new game it tends to be copied so when they come out with a follow-up people complain about Nintendo making another rehash.
BTW, Don\'t get me wrong. I am in no way a Nintendo Fanboy w/ my head up Yamauchi\'s ass. Its just thatI was really impressed by what was shown from Nintendo and I don\'t understand when someone rights something off because it is "kiddie". I don\'t want to rant but I think it may be a bit of an over compensation on their part. If you want me to go into details I will. :D
Hey Altered, I wasn\'t bashing just in case you thought I was.
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I believe all three Mario Parties were made by Hudson Soft, but published by Nintendo. The only major rehash that came from Nintendo was Pokemon, a gateway to hell opened courtesy of HAL. That\'s about all the recycled crap I can name though. As for Nintendo having new titles... Gohan said everything I wanted to in his post.
I\'m in no way bashing Sega or anything. Just wanted to get it clear that Nintendo doesn\'t burp up old titles every time.
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yes both Sony and Nintendo have a long list of sequels to games, but Ninendo has to be innovative to win, this is the same reason why the Tomb Raiders and the Residental Evils got worse as they went on, look at games like the Gran Turismo\'s and you see that they arent just sequels there whole new games, totally innovative
Both Sony and Nintendo need games that are not just the same old junk but new and exciting
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well what really kills a system for me was the fact that no so much it has sequels - i mean sequels make a lot of sense to me - why not make another game based on game that sold well and was accepted very well
but anyway i hate it when a console gets a lot of games based on the same genre - Sony had a great amount of variety while N64 had mostly Platformers - i know that has changed a little with the GC and i hope that they can make a lot of cool games in eacg genre
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Gohan dont worry bout it.
Why does Nintendo let it\'s biggest liscenses out to be whored around with another company?
Eric Jacob
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Nintendo is all about the Dollar signs. They know that Mario is arguably the most recognized character in video games so why not use that knowledge to make oodles of dough. Insted of putting out a cartoony tannis/golf game they can plaster Mario\'s name on it and it will sell a couple million more. All of the gaming companies just want to make cash and as much of it as possible, its just that Sega and Nintendo happen to have some of the most brilliant minds in gaming so people try to convince themselves that Nintendo is in the business to please us. Case in point. Nintendo has put out a whopping 5 pokemon games in the course of a couple years. If that isn\'t bad enough, they bamboozle the kidds into buying TWO versions of the EXACT same game just to get 2 or 3 more critters. How sickening is that? Then they make a game for the N64 that requires an expensive transfer pack so that the kids can see their captured critters in 3d(Not that they look much different in 2D or 3D). To us this may be sickening; but in a business sense that was one of the most ingenious business tactics the gaming world has ever seen. I guess that is why they have been around for so long and will remain around for much longer.
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Sorry about the rant. I guess I had to elaborate to explain the whoring out of Nintendo mascots.
BTW, this could be applied to ANY company that pastes their mascots all over crap and releases countless rehashes.
And don\'t get me wrong. A lot of these rehashes from Sony, Nintendo, and Sega are nothing less than brilliant.
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Pimping would be a better term than Whoring.
:laughing:
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Originally posted by Ashford
Pimping would be a better term than Whoring.
lol
The way I figure it is that it IS Nintendo\'s own product being given away for money. If Sony put a ton of Nintendo mascot\'s on the PS2 THEN it would be pimping. :D