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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: unknown on May 20, 2001, 10:29:14 AM
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well its not what i expected but here it is:
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fps2media.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fe32001%2Fimage%2Fpreshow%2Finline_09.jpg&hash=6568fa954381ae06c1e6df3ef7c877047f18fe23)
hmm very interesting her eis the link to the page:
http://ps2.ign.com/news/34716.html
ohh ahhhh, it pretty big
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You see the black "box" at the back of the HDD?
Its the enthernet card/adaptor.
You plug the card in at the back of the HDD so it dosent take up as much space :)
I think it looks kewl!
The LCD monitor is also cool.. Does anyone know how much it will cost.
(estimate)
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How much is is supposed to cost??
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probably alot $$$$$$$$$$$$
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Novemeber 2001, eh? Well, I\'ll be damned. There is no way possible Sony is getting any money from me for an add-on , when two new consoles will be launching in the same month.
40 gigs. I imagine it will cost around $100-$150. Either way, it can be $50 dollars and I still won\'t buy it when its released. That $50 can go towards an Xbox or GameCube game.
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I\'d heard that it is supposed to cost nearly £200 in the uk, thats about $250 - 300 for all the folk in the US. Still tho, no need for it over here as basically no one has broadband access, think i might be using my money on mgs2, the getaway, Bond and the rest...
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Internet Adaptor should be around the 35 to 40 Pound region in the UK
Also i think the HDD won\'t be that expensive , i think they are wiating to see Microsofts and nintendos Final Console price before they anounce the Price of the HDD.
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nice! :D
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We got like 6 months to prepare....start squirreling away your change now. Then, when it get\'s released...BAM!!! Cash ready and waiting:)
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I think the fact that we got such a great responce on the Forum Clan name , just shows the intrest out there for ONLINE PS2 gaming......
Anyone looking forward to Tribes 2 ?.....
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Either way, it can be $50 dollars and I still won\'t buy it when its released. That $50 can go towards an Xbox or GameCube game.
Amen, with so many brilliant games and consoles in the comming months I\'m not going to splash the cash for a HD unless there\'s a true killer app for it, and since Championship Manager 4 will probably never come out in North America I\'ll put the cash towards a GC or an X-Box instead.
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I bet sony lowers there price of PS2 and then releases a package where the ps2 costs the same as the other systems with the HD and ethernet/56k in the box. All right when GC and Xbox are released. Hey, maybe they\'ll throw in Twisted Metal online in the package or something, that would be awesome.
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WOW! Nice stuff!!! :D
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i\'m thinking that it will be in a package with a game... like $75.....
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Fugly,I don\'t like having some black box sticking out the back of my black box
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I sometimes really wonder if is going to sell at all. It had better be darn cheap with some sort of subscription for a few months chucked in. It really should have been a pack-in.
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I\'ll pay $40 for the ethernet adapter before I even think of buying another console
Actually I doubt I will buy another console this year. The PS2 will have close to 20 kick ass games being released from November through Xmas, who would have time to play a 2nd console ????????
and no game will use the HD. The HD will be for multimedia internet stuff, not games. Maybe extra levels and stuff but no game will ever be loaded to Sony\'s harddrive cause I seriously doubt alot of people will buy the HD add-on.
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It\'s about time. They\'re also making a version of RealPlayer and Shockwave just for PlayStation 2. And Netscape is also making a web browser designed specifically for it.
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Originally posted by The_Rickster
I\'d heard that it is supposed to cost nearly £200 in the uk, thats about $250 - 300 for all the folk in the US. Still tho, no need for it over here as basically no one has broadband access, think i might be using my money on mgs2, the getaway, Bond and the rest...
that stinks, thats about the same amt. as the system, but theres no doubt ill still end up getting it
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Originally posted by The_Rickster
I\'d heard that it is supposed to cost nearly £200 in the uk, thats about $250 - 300 for all the folk in the US. Still tho, no need for it over here as basically no one has broadband access, think i might be using my money on mgs2, the getaway, Bond and the rest...
it will have both broadband and dial-up connection...this will be a well accepted add-on,despite a few here on this forum who don\'t want it,but i will all but guarantee success for it,Playstation gamers have been waiting for this moment for awhile now (the majority of owners won\'t be forking out for another new console anyways)...all the people i know who have PS2\'s are highly anticipating the hdd / online adapter.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
I\'ll pay $40 for the ethernet adapter before I even think of buying another console
Actually I doubt I will buy another console this year. The PS2 will have close to 20 kick ass games being released from November through Xmas, who would have time to play a 2nd console ????????
and no game will use the HD. The HD will be for multimedia internet stuff, not games. Maybe extra levels and stuff but no game will ever be loaded to Sony\'s harddrive cause I seriously doubt alot of people will buy the HD add-on.
i have the exact same plans as ddaryl :)
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Wow its so.......Big.
Originally posted by ddaryl
and no game will use the HD. The HD will be for multimedia internet stuff, not games. Maybe extra levels and stuff but no game will ever be loaded to Sony\'s harddrive cause I seriously doubt alot of people will buy the HD add-on.
If there will not be enough purchasers to warrant making a game for the HDD then why would they make online games?
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well it doesn\'t look like anything special
but it will get the job done - all i know is i will get one and it will rock
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Bah! I only support Nintendo or Sega add-ons. Sony (and MS) can shove their addons up their asses. Besides, I already think they will fail.
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Originally posted by Gohan
If there will not be enough purchasers to warrant making a game for the HDD then why would they make online games?
Dude
The ethernet / 56k modem adapter is sold seperately from the Hard Drive
If they don\'t forcefully bundle the HD with the ethernet adapter no companmy can program an Online game to run with the HD. The HD is for Sony\'s broadband plan of streaming data like Movies music and all other kinda of techincal set top box goodies.
if you are going to just online game then all you need is the ethernet / 56k modem adapter.
Kapeche\'
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Dude
The ethernet / 56k modem adapter is sold seperately from the Hard Drive
If they don\'t forcefully bundle the HD with the ethernet adapter no companmy can program an Online game to run with the HD. The HD is for Sony\'s broadband plan of streaming data like Movies music and all other kinda of techincal set top box goodies.
if you are going to just online game then all you need is the ethernet / 56k modem adapter.
Kapeche\'
Whoa, slow down, Eagle Scout. I was not questioning whether or not you recieved the "Sony Add-on Sage Merit Badge" but in THAT pic it looks to me as if they are attached to each other. If it is like you say then it will be an even BIGGER failure than I previously thought. Now they want to sell TWO add-ons? What good is the HDD without the modem?
BTW, What is Kapeche\'? Is that a french pastry? If you were trying to spell what I think, you were trying to spell, you are WAAAAAAAAAYYYY off. I think I might have a Kapeche\' for breakfast today. :laughing:
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The HDD will be a success !
I\'ll buy it in any case !
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the i really want the broadband access...i suppose the hard drive add on would be good for improving onloine capabilities as well...eh...ill have the moonay hopefully, so ill prolly get it. My friends are getting the other consoles, so i dont need to worry about buying them
mmm FFXI online...GT4...Twisted Metal...caww...gotta get online with PS2
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
the i really want the broadband access...i suppose the hard drive add on would be good for improving onloine capabilities as well...eh...ill have the moonay hopefully, so ill prolly get it. My friends are getting the other consoles, so i dont need to worry about buying them
mmm FFXI online...GT4...Twisted Metal...caww...gotta get online with PS2
Oh yes!
Im getting the HDD & BB adaptor too! (if its not tooo expensive!)
Who can live without Twisted Metal Online, SOCOM, Tekken 4 (I hope its online) FFXI, THPS3???? (all online gamez!)
Awww.. Cant wait :)
Bring it on SONY!
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Originally posted by Gohan
Whoa, slow down, Eagle Scout. I was not questioning whether or not you recieved the "Sony Add-on Sage Merit Badge" but in THAT pic it looks to me as if they are attached to each other. If it is like you say then it will be an even BIGGER failure than I previously thought. Now they want to sell TWO add-ons? What good is the HDD without the modem?
BTW, What is Kapeche\'? Is that a french pastry? If you were trying to spell what I think, tyou were trying to spell, you are WAAAAAAAAAYYYY off. I think I might have a Kapeche\' for breakfast today. :laughing:
no offense goku, bu latley youve been acting like an a$$
enough said
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I thought the HDD will be complete in the expansion bay but this monster is veerryy big!
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Originally posted by fastson
Who can live without Twisted Metal Online, SOCOM, Tekken 4 (I hope its online) FFXI, THPS3???? (all online gamez!)
Awww.. Cant wait :)
Bring it on SONY!
Fastson, if Sony released Ken Kutaragi\'s dried feces wrapped in tin foil with "PS2" on it, you would buy it.
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
Fastson, if Sony released Ken Kutaragi\'s dried feces wrapped in tin foil with "PS2" on it, you would buy it.
Was your remark necessary ? ...:rolleyes:...
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
Fastson, if Sony released Ken Kutaragi\'s dried feces wrapped in tin foil with "PS2" on it, you would buy it.
If Bill Gates sold his shopped of **** you would buy it.
Shut up Xbox fanboy!
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Originally posted by unknown
no offense goku, bu latley youve been acting like an a$$
How so? Wait a second, I don\'t care. I\'m sorry if somehow I hurt your feelings; but seriously get over it. :rolleyes:
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Here\'s a proven formula:
add-ons=failures
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Here\'s a proven formula:
add-ons=failures
Yes for SEGA.....
But all SEGA hardware has failed..
:D
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Originally posted by fastson
Yes for SEGA.....
But all SEGA hardware has failed..
:D
:mad: Your lucky we don\'t know each other in person...
Name any add-on that succeeded. You can\'t. None have. And Sony won\'t break that cycle anytime soon.
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Originally posted by EThugg
:mad: Your lucky we don\'t know each other in person...
Name any add-on that succeeded. You can\'t. None have. And Sony won\'t break that cycle anytime soon.
There havent been so many addons...
Sonys wont be a failure! (Im pretty sure, cuz Sony are good at marketing, and very good at hardware)
:)
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Originally posted by fastson
There havent been so many addons...
Sonys wont be a failure! (Im pretty sure, cuz Sony are good at marketing, and very good at hardware)
:)
-SegaCD
-32X
-N64DD
These have been horrible failures and have all made an impact on their respected companies. It doesn\'t matter if there hasn\'t been so many because the basic idea of an add-on is terribly flawed. You have to spend a lot of time and resources into it, a lot of money, you have to guess at the number of people who will buy them, and developers will have to do that too. Trust me, Sony probably won\'t make any money off of their add-on.
Marketing won\'t save them since Sega did a really good job with marketing the 32X and it still failed. And PS2 isn\'t exactly the world\'s best hardware. Developers will disagree with what you just said...
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Originally posted by fastson
There havent been so many addons...
Sonys wont be a failure! (Im pretty sure, cuz Sony are good at marketing, and very good at hardware)
I seriously want to believe that you are joking.
There is no way that the add-on will even crack HALF of the PS2\'s installed user base. Take into acount that the PS2 already has a huge user base and the fact that if this add-on is more expensive than the average game then it will NOT sell. Even though Sony has all those excellent people working in marketing. Maybe if they tell us about the HDD/BB adapter that will be released in the year 2034 it will make people buy the ones out now. :rolleyes:
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Actually, not all add-ons have failed. Just think about the N64 Expansion Pak.
While only 2 or so games actually require it (btw those 2 games were huge sellers, Majora\'s Mask and Donkey Konk 64) many others can utilize it for bigger levels, more characters, ect.
It had a pretty good user base as well.
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Originally posted by Solid Snake 88
Actually, not all add-ons have failed. Just think about the N64 Expansion Pak.
While only 2 or so games actually require it (btw those 2 games were huge sellers, Majora\'s Mask and Donkey Konk 64) many others can utilize it for bigger levels, more characters, ect.
It had a pretty good user base as well.
Don\'t Forget Perfect Dark , you had to have the expantion pack or you only got half the game.
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Maybe not all the PS2 owners will get the addon.
But enough of them prob. will.
Thats what I think anyway!
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Even if the HDD doesn\'t rack up sales the network adaptor will attract many people. Especially at such a cool price. :cool:
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I\'ll have both (HDD and NIC). Actually, I don\'t care who thinks it\'ll fail, I\'m still getting it. No one knows it\'ll fail until it actually does. I like the idea of online gaming and net use on my PS2, so it\'s already bought. If it fails, it\'s my loss.
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well my plans still stands as it was beofre, i AM gettign the hdd and adaptor
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Originally posted by Solid Snake 88
Actually, not all add-ons have failed. Just think about the N64 Expansion Pak.
While only 2 or so games actually require it (btw those 2 games were huge sellers, Majora\'s Mask and Donkey Konk 64) many others can utilize it for bigger levels, more characters, ect.
It had a pretty good user base as well.
They both sold very well but the expansion pak did not. I am willing to bet money that there are more DK64 and PD out there than expansion packs.
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I don\'t like addons either... I\'m not sure how well it\'ll sell (and it rhymes ;)). I think the harddrive will have a hard time selling itself. I for one won\'t be getting it if it\'s more than $5. :)
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Gohan,
Do you know what the Expansion Pack sales are? If you don\'t, then all you are doing is grasping at strews. Now, you could be right that the expansion pack sold far far less then DK64 and/or Perfect Dark. But without evidence, your arguement doesn\'t hold water.
Now, I myself am not cool to the idea of add-ons. So, I don\'t really think this HDD will succeed in any level. But until it happens, no one can say it will.
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I don\'t like add-ons if they offer nothing but a little extra power(32X)...and I should never buy an hypothetical "256X" for my PS2 capable of pushing twice the number of polys....to play 3? or...4? Games which take advantage of it...it should be a Big failure !
The HDD is quite a different matter and if it will be the key to play games 10 times more extensive...well...I think 50-100$ is nothing for every reasonable guys !
...how much do you spend for a game ? 50$?....so...what\'s the problem if I spend 50-100$(for example) to play 10-100 games 10 time more extensive ?...tell me.......
let\'s wait and see what Sony has to offer us...don\'t be so dull-minded....
- ...if 2 or 3 add-ons failed doesn\'t mean all the add-ons will necessarily fail...
- ...The HDD is not a 32X or a 64DD...
- ...Sony is not Sega(take it in the right manner...it\'s not a provocation...Sega failed with two great products(Saturn and Dreamcast)
- ...I think future PS2 models will have a Built-in HDD
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Originally posted by BizioEE
I don\'t like add-ons if they offer nothing but a little extra power(32X)...and I should never buy an hypothetical "256X" for my PS2 capable of pushing twice the number of polys....to play 3? or...4? Games which take advantage of it...it should be a Big failure !
The HDD is quite a different matter and if it will be the key to play games 10 times more extensive...well...I think 50-100$ is nothing for every reasonable guys !
...how much do you spend for a game ? 50$?....so...what\'s the problem if I spend 50-100$(for example) to play 10-100 games 10 time more extensive ?...tell me.......
let\'s wait and see what Sony has to offer us...don\'t be so dull-minded....
- ...if 2 or 3 add-ons failed doesn\'t mean all the add-ons will necessarily fail...
- ...The HDD is not a 32X or a 64DD...
- ...Sony is not Sega(take it in the right manner...it\'s not a provocation...Sega failed with two great products(Saturn and Dreamcast)
- ...I think future PS2 models will have a Built-in HDD
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sono d\'accordo BizioEE!!
stiamo parlando della SONY qui!
:D
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Originally posted by fastson
sono d\'accordo BizioEE!!
stiamo parlando della SONY qui!
:D
...e gia\' fastson...la gente sembra non capire....secondo me l\'HDD avra\' un grande successo...ne sono sicuro...prova ad immaginare un gioco come GT4 dove puoi scaricare sul tuo hard-disk nuovi circuiti,macchine,motori potenziati ecc.....non sto nella pelle :).....a presto fastson !
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The N64 expansion pack was an add-on? I don\'t think it is. It\'s more of a accessory like the Rumble Pack and it did quite well if I\'m not mistaken.
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Originally posted by Simchoy
Gohan,
Do you know what the Expansion Pack sales are? If you don\'t, then all you are doing is grasping at strews. Now, you could be right that the expansion pack sold far far less then DK64 and/or Perfect Dark. But without evidence, your arguement doesn\'t hold water.
I checked NPD but I don\'t feel like paying for the info. So I guess I don\'t have facts to back it up but I am almost positive that is the case. Is that worth anything? Nope. :)
Originally posted by BizioEE
...if 2 or 3 add-ons failed doesn\'t mean all the add-ons will necessarily fail...
Its not a matter of 2 or 3 add-ons being a failure. ALL add-ons fail. The general public is just not likely to buy add-ons for their consoles. Which means developers are not likely to develop with these add-ons in mind.
Originally posted by BizioEE
...The HDD is not a 32X or a 64DD...
But it is STILL an add-on. See above.
Originally posted by BizioEE
...Sony is not Sega(take it in the right manner...it\'s not a provocation...Sega failed with two great products(Saturn and Dreamcast)
What does that have to do with add-ons?
Originally posted by BizioEE
...I think future PS2 models will have a Built-in HDD
To do so would be a slap in the face to all the people that waited in line overnight just to buy a PS2 and all the people who drove around for hours trying to find one. Do you really think that Sony would disrespect almost ALL of their loyal gaming customers by re-releasing the PS2 with a HDD which would allow companies to design better games and at a lower price no less? I highly doubt it.
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Originally posted by Gohan
Its not a matter of 2 or 3 add-ons being a failure. ALL add-ons fail. The general public is just not likely to buy add-ons for their consoles. Which means developers are not likely to develop with these add-ons in mind.
it\'s only your opinion...it\'s only your thought...nothing more...nothing less.....I trust Sony and I don\'t care about your opinion...Sony is the King of Marketing...and you are only a gamer....no offense.....
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The HDD can\'t realy be described as JUST another ADD-ON, the purpose behind it will offer Playstation 2 owners the ability to nt only store Information but obtain or transfer new App.s and Add-on\'s via the internet adaptor.
now sorry to point out a Gigantic flaw with the SEGA and Nintendo addons......
They where talked about and only released on a limited basis, the PS2 HDD and Internet Adaptor will be a World Wide Launch with some rather tasty games.
Plus the partnerships that where shown at E3 , shows the public the commitment that SONY has to deliver this.
the 32X and 64DD had very few developers to back them.
Why i remember reading an atricle at the time that said that the 64DD, would alow a game like Zelda to have continual game play.
And what is meant by that is,if you go away form the game, the game carries on, Creaters heal themselfs, NPC might move town, Corpes will decay, entire dungones might even change as the enemy creates better defences etc etc etc......
and what happend ?
NOTHING
THE PS2 will have it\'s own versions of these possible killer apps , plus having Final Fantasy 11 and a possible online version of Gran Turismo will HELP TO SHIFT UNIT\'s
i mean you only have to look at the responce the online clan got, to seethat there is DEMAND out there for this.
51 Tribal Dragons can\'t Wrong ;)
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oh and P.S (sorry to start a new post but this IS important)
here\'s what Mr Metal Gear Solid said about this matter....
CVG: How do you see online features? Will there be any online features in Metal Gear Solid 2, and if not, how will you build them into future games?
Hideo Kojima: We’re actually thinking of the hard drive, making it [MGS2] hard drive compatible. We don’t know if we can do it, because it’s really a matter of timing. We really don’t know if we can do it within the time-frame. Like in the previous game there was a camera where you could take pictures; with a hard drive you could take thousands. Things like that. There’s plenty of fancy stuff you can do with the hard drive, but we’re not sure if we can do it. But we have ideas.
CVG: Specifically about online though…
Hideo Kojima: That will probably come after the hard drive things. We can do hard drive stuff then we’ll start thinking about online stuff.
By the looks of things, the next Project that he could work on could be an ONLINE game perhaps ?
:)
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Great News ooseven...you\'re always so accurate and punctual...your truly James Bond :)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Great News ooseven...you\'re always so accurate and punctual...your truly James Bond :)
Thank you mate.
i am just trying to calm this situation down by showing everyone , that the HDD and Internat addond is not just another ADD-on that will fail.
SONY and all there partners have big plans for this and we are all lucky enough to own a PS2.
Now all we have to do in the mean time is sit back and wait, oh and maybe try and make things go quicker by playing a "little" ;) Gran Turismo 3 A spec and MGS2 to pass the time ;)
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None the less i don\'t see the HDD being as succesful as the N64 expansion pack. First off the Expansion pack was 10 times cheaper, and also Nintendo game the EP away with some of it\'s games like Donky Kong.
Anyhow only time will tell the fate of SONY\'S planned HDD, though you will not see me wasting my money on it, id rather spend it on a Steering wheel for GT3
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Originally posted by BizioEE
it\'s only your opinion...it\'s only your thought...nothing more...nothing less.....I trust Sony and I don\'t care about your opinion...Sony is the King of Marketing...and you are only a gamer....no offense.....
Correct me if I am wrong; but are the PS2 add-ons not targeted at gamers? I could see if they were marketing it at the couch potatoes to use as a quasi VIVO but its not. Can you name me ONE add-on that was successful? Until that happens then I can safely say that all add-ons fail. BTW, for an add-on to be even close to being considered a success it has to sell to at least half of a consoles installed userbase.
Originally posted by ooseven
Plus the partnerships that where shown at E3 , shows the public the commitment that SONY has to deliver this.
the 32X and 64DD had very few developers to back them.
So Macromedia, RealNetworks, etc. are developers because they supplied software? IMO, Sony is more concerned about digital convergence than they are about gaming. Sony\'s "commitment" is to making a VIVO/VAIO/DVD/(I guess gaming) device.
Originally posted by ooseven
i mean you only have to look at the responce the online clan got, to seethat there is DEMAND out there for this.
51 Tribal Dragons can\'t Wrong
Big difference between demand in a PS2 online forum and the average Joes hanging on the block. I don\'t even have to mention that a lot of the people that voted in the poll won\'t even buy the add-ons. I can sign up for the 2003 Mustang Future Owners Club but does that mean that when it comes out I will own one? Probably not. It\'s probably just a lot of wishful thinking.
BTW, I seriously want these peripherals to be successful; but I am a realist.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
None the less i don\'t see the HDD being as succesful as the N64 expansion pack. First off the Expansion pack was 10 times cheaper, and also Nintendo game the EP away with some of it\'s games like Donky Kong.
Anyhow only time will tell the fate of SONY\'S planned HDD, though you will not see me wasting my money on it, id rather spend it on a Steering wheel for GT3
ok the N64 expansion pack was only used for a very small hand full of games (3 or 4 in the UK if i can remember)
it\'s only used to expand on the on board memory of the Nintendo 64.
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The HDD and Internet Adaptor for the PS2
is alredy being developed for.
6 games SO far (excluding FF11 and posible online version of GT3 [GRAN TURSIMO B :SPEC working title]) the last time i checked.
it will alow the storage of save games files.
download of addon\'s (mod\'s and skins)
Download of music and movies (Thanks to AOL)
Access to the Internet ( thanks to netscape)
and thats not even alowing for Bigger and better games where a small portion of tha game can be stored on the rather nice 40GB HDD.
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Well like i said ooseven, we will have to wait and see how it plays out. Either way I will not spend any more money on my psx2, except maybe purchasing a Weel for the racers.
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Fine but please remeber to
NEVER SAY NEVER.....
If Sony carrys on they way they have started the development of the HDD and IA (internet Adaptor).
It Will take off
Plus some top of the range games will help to shif the "ODD" unit or two.
Remeber you don\'t have to buy this ADDon to enjoy the next wave of games, unlike PERFECT DARK :mad:.
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true but if you want games that really take hold of the HDD potential then you know what console i\'m talking about.
450 canadian for PS2
Then you have the HDD which will cost around 200 canadian
modem $65 canadian
etc...
Man ooseven this is coasting some doe.
Anyways i\'m sure there is lots of HARDCORE sony gamers out there that buy a HDD for psx2. Altough i feel that the casual gammer wont be interested in the HDD nor it\'s COST
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Originally posted by BizioEE
...e gia\' fastson...la gente sembra non capire....secondo me l\'HDD avra\' un grande successo...ne sono sicuro...prova ad immaginare un gioco come GT4 dove puoi scaricare sul tuo hard-disk nuovi circuiti,macchine,motori potenziati ecc.....non sto nella pelle :).....a presto fastson !
Hhehe.. I really dont know any italian :)
I just had my Italian friend translate for me :D
And yes... It will be sweet do download new tracks, cars, maps, and all that to games :) (Like GT4)
I agree bit ooseven and BizioEE! :D
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Originally posted by Solid Snake 88
Actually, not all add-ons have failed. Just think about the N64 Expansion Pak.
While only 2 or so games actually require it (btw those 2 games were huge sellers, Majora\'s Mask and Donkey Konk 64) many others can utilize it for bigger levels, more characters, ect.
It had a pretty good user base as well.
The EP was a failure. The installed base for it is very small compared to the N64\'s overall userbase.
These addons will fail, and if I knew anyone in person who disagrees, I\'d wager money on it. Fortunately for me, I hang around people with common sense.
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The EP was a failure
You know what i just remembered, he is right.
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Originally posted by EThugg
The EP was a failure. The installed base for it is very small compared to the N64\'s overall userbase.
That\'s what I\'ve been trying to say but no one wants to believe. BTW, If you find a sucker to take that bet let me know cuz its always nice to take someone else\'s cash.
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Originally posted by Gohan
That\'s what I\'ve been trying to say but no one wants to believe. BTW, If you find a sucker to take that bet let me know cuz its always nice to take someone else\'s cash.
Will do... :D
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no offense,but it\'s always the person who doesn\'t want an add-on,to be the first to say it will fail...it\'s been pointed out by others here that this "add-on" is unlike all the other add-ons because it\'s going to be more apart of the system itself rather than just an added piece of hardware. it will be used in a much different way than what item came out previously..it will have interactions with other hardware items (online adapter / digital camera / printer / sound devices / etc.) as well,so it doesn\'t just serve one purpose and it seems to be a developers dream of sort,more ideas can be explored. you have to look deeper at things before you finalize an answer and say it will fail. my opinion says it will be a smash hit!! then again my opinion is better anyways! :D
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Originally posted by MeTaL=DeaTh
no offense,but it\'s always the person who doesn\'t want an add-on,to be the first to say it will fail...it\'s been pointed out by others here that this "add-on" is unlike all the other add-ons because it\'s going to be more apart of the system itself rather than just an added piece of hardware. it will be used in a much different way than what item came out previously..it will have interactions with other hardware items (online adapter / digital camera / printer / sound devices / etc.) as well,so it doesn\'t just serve one purpose and it seems to be a developers dream of sort,more ideas can be explored. you have to look deeper at things before you finalize an answer and say it will fail. my opinion says it will be a smash hit!! then again my opinion is better anyways! :D
That was a right-purdy speech, but it\'s bull. It\'s no different than any other add-on. A developers dream? If they need a HD, they\'ll go over to XB were the HD\'s installed base is 100%. It\'s more apart of the system? What? ITS A ADDON! It\'s not a part of the system, or it would have been in the big blue box with the system. The addons will fail, without a doubt. Trust me, this is coming from some one who owns Sega CD, 32X, N64 EP.... I would buy these addons too if they were worth it... they aren\'t. Just like pocket station, the link cable, etc they won\'t have much support. At least with older addons, some games needed them. No game on PS2 will ever need the addons.
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Originally posted by Gohan
That\'s what I\'ve been trying to say but no one wants to believe. BTW, If you find a sucker to take that bet let me know cuz its always nice to take someone else\'s cash.
Hey Big sucker...I bet 250$...the HDD will be a success...
...I\'m waiting for you !
each member here is witness to our bet...so...if you won\'t pay me when you\'ll lose...I\'ll open a Thread in all the Forum to laugh at you !
Do you accept ?
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Hey Big sucker...I bet 250$...the HDD will be a success...
...I\'m waiting for you !
each member here is witness to our bet...so...if you won\'t pay me when you\'ll lose...I\'ll open a Thread in all the Forum to laugh at you !
Do you accept ?
Of course I accept, even though I know that this will be forgotten and you will never pay me. How are we going to know if it is succesful? Are we going to wait until the PS3 launches?
Originally posted by MeTaL=DeaTh
no offense,but it\'s always the person who doesn\'t want an add-on,to be the first to say it will fail...it\'s been pointed out by others here that this "add-on" is unlike all the other add-ons because it\'s going to be more apart of the system itself rather than just an added piece of hardware. it will be used in a much different way than what item came out previously..it will have interactions with other hardware items (online adapter / digital camera / printer / sound devices / etc.) as well,so it doesn\'t just serve one purpose and it seems to be a developers dream of sort,more ideas can be explored. you have to look deeper at things before you finalize an answer and say it will fail. my opinion says it will be a smash hit!! then again my opinion is better anyways!
Just about everyone in this thread that says it will fail plans on buying the add-ons despite the odds.
More apart of the system rather than an added piece of hardware?
You do realize that the HDD and BB adapters are hardware items that will be added to the PS2 correct?
developer\'s dream? More ideas can be explored?
How is this different from the lofty goals set for the SegaCD and 32X?
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
It\'s about time. They\'re also making a version of RealPlayer and Shockwave just for PlayStation 2. And Netscape is also making a web browser designed specifically for it.
1: RealPlayer is the death of streaming media.
2: Netscape is horrible.
:)
Moving on..
Add-ons fail. Every add-on has failed, the only actual "add-on" that has worked was the Nintendo RAM package and still, you sometimes see games that should of used it--but didn\'t, i.e, Conkers Bad Fur Day.
Sony can very easily sell the ethernet adapter. NO problem. People with broadband will pay for something like that. A hardrive is another thing in general. Microsoft knew this, that is why the are selling the Xbox with a hardrive, and it was a smart move. Sony cannot and I don\'t care how much marketing they do make the HD add-on a true success. At best it will have limited novel appeal for online game "bonus" (i.e, extra levels). Wait, I rephrase. If Sony can sell the add-on at $20-$50 dollars and have plenty of compelling reasons to own the HD, then they could make this a runaway success. But, guess what?
1: They can\'t sell it for such a cheap price. Lets face it folks, you don\'t get 40 gig hardrives that cheap.
2: There is no actual compelling reason to shell out the money.
And where does this leave developers? Developers have to look at how many people bought the add-on and then develop for that number, which makes it very confusing and risky for developers. Developers know for a fact that every Xbox machine sold has a HD that can be used. But, now they will have to look at sell stats to see how many PS2 HD\'s was sold and debate if it is worth the extra cost and development or if they should (1) move to project over to the XBox or (2) scale it down and make it for the PS2 without HD support. A mixed enviorment is never a good thing, and that is exactly what Sony is creating.
Moving back to the first point of add-ons failing at the consumer level, you can look at any add-on like Sega\'s 32x, Nintendo\'s 64DD and Atari\'s Jaguar CD or even the vaporware 3DO M2 and see that the past of add-ons is not good. Consumers do not like to purchase something like a console and then be told that if they want to feel the "full potenial" of the console they need to shell out even more cash. Then I see some of you mentioning Sony eventually making PS2 units with the HD built in.. This is a actually a good point, but a few problems..
1: As mentioned by someone else (Gohan, I believe) this is a direct slap in the face to those who stood out in the rain and cold for a PS2 on the launch. Sony does not need to upset so many gamers.
2: They could very likely knock the PS2 price down $100 and then make a bundle package that includes the HD for a total of the already common price of $300, but market confusion will still exist. The basic consumer isn\'t smart and if they see a PS2 that says $200 that is missing a HD and then they see one that is $300 that has this "device", they are most likely going to purchase the cheaper of the two, unless compelling titles exist that make them want to use the extra $100 for the add-on.
Overall, the add-on has a very grim fate.
I will eventually, maybe pick one up, not quite sure. I know I won\'t pick up a broabband adapter, as my satelite service doesn\'t allow online gaming , etc. And if the HD is only going to be used for extra things such as levels, there is no way I\'ll buy it. Come November, there will be two systems that I need to buy not an upgrade to a year old system that should still be holding its own games wise .
Yes for SEGA.....
But all SEGA hardware has failed..
News flash: The Sega Genesis was far from a failure. And the only reason the Master System failed was because of Nintendo\'s tight control over developers.
And as for the comment that there hasn\'t been that many add-ons, someone must be living under a rock.
Lets see here, we will count add-ons that come to mind and add-ons that never even made it out of the development door for "unknown" reasons.
32X (Released) {failure}
Sega CD (released) {failure}
Jaguar CD (released) {failure }
64DD (released-Japan only) {massive failure}
M2 (not released) {3DO add-on }
Super CD (not released) {developed by Sony }
This is just the well known ones. If you do alittle research you can find more add-ons and it also depends on what you consider an add-on. Example; one could consider the RAM packages offered for the Saturn and Nintendo 64 as add-ons, and if so, you would need the sell stats for both the console and the amount of RAM packages sold. If the RAM packages do not at least meet HALF the console user base, then the RAM package would be considered a failure.
(And before someone mentions the DUAL SHOCK being an add-on. It wasn\'t. It was a controller. If you want to include it as an add-on, I will mention the ROBOT , POWER GLOVE, and many other obsecure 8-BIT controllers that did fail. But to be simple, it is not an add-on. It is a controller. Big difference.)
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WOW! I would say that about raps it up