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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: tHe GaMe on May 21, 2001, 03:09:21 PM
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Sony will probaly announce that it will drop it\'s price also at the same 199.00 slot.
So here it goes at launch
Gamecube - 199.99
PS2 - 199.99(Unofficial)
X-Box - 299.99
Which would u choose if you already have a PS2, I\'m going with Gamecube.
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I\'m going with xbox.
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definetly gamecube.
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Well I just don\'t really care for Nintendo franchises. I\'ve tried to like them but for some reason Mario and Zelda just don\'t do it for me.
There are a few games I do like that we\'re shown at E3 for GC but not enough to get me excited.
On top of that the PS2 just has so much more to offer me.
I\'m still holding out on Xbox as my 2nd console but I probably won\'t buy an Xbox at launch. Then again maybe I will who knows but I do have one pre-ordered
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Originally posted by ps2gamer_59
definetly gamecube.
Amen, who would in there ****ing mind buy a X-Box when you have two great systems with great games at a price of 199.99 .
For more info
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2763685,00.html
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well... i would definetly go for the gamecube... i don\'t know why.... but i woudn\'t buy an xbox.... i\'ll stcik with the PS2... the games are looking better and better everyday....
man... it has been like almost 2 months since the last time i actually turned on my PS2.... school suxors!
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Originally posted by samanvahedi
well... i would definetly go for the gamecube... i don\'t know why.... but i woudn\'t buy an xbox.... i\'ll stcik with the PS2... the games are looking better and better everyday....
man... it has been like almost 2 months since the last time i actually turned on my PS2.... school suxors!
2 weeks for me man, I only have to take one test(Algebra II), I\'m exempt from all my other classes. So I get out of school 6 day earlier than everyone else, yes.
Does anyone smell the late 1990\'s fued between Sony and Nintendo all over again. Somehow Billy has to do something that will spark fire back in the X-Box, because it is now lost, drop the price Billy Boy.
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X-Box
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Gamecube
Reason -
(a) X-Box will be a lot of PS2 ports. So GC offers more variety.
(b) Price is lower by $100.
(c) X-Box has no franciases.
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About time someone agree with me. I\'m sorry I see more games I want on the xbox than the gamecube. Oh yeah the xbox will look nice next to my ps2 and dc. I like all the 3rd party support xbox is getting. About time america is coming out with a decent console.
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Originally posted by Bobs software
X-Box
I wonder what a casual gamer would choose, if they already had a PS2.
HMMMMM, would they choose a system like X-Box that has a huge price tag, or a system with a 199.99 tag that is trying to aim at the teenage demographic.
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Originally posted by tHe GaMe
I wonder what a casual gamer would choose, if they already had a PS2.
HMMMMM, would they choose a system like X-Box that has a huge price tag, or a system with a 199.99 tag that is trying to aim at the teenage demographic.
The system with the 199.99 price tag main audeince is kids age 6-13 year. X box is smart for going for the same market sonys after. Instead of just kids like nintendo.
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I think GameCube, but I seen so much awesome games PS2 is pumping out I just might stick with only PS2. :D
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Originally posted by tHe GaMe
Sony will probaly announce that it will drop it\'s price also at the same 199.00 slot.
So here it goes at launch
Gamecube - 199.99
PS2 - 199.99(Unofficial)
X-Box - 299.99
Which would u choose if you already have a PS2, I\'m going with Gamecube.
where u get the info mate?
bill gates has constantly said that he will UNDERCUT sony even if it means a loss he has set aside 4 billion pounds just for losses. The last the games shop i work at heard (2 days ago) the x - box will retail at £189-99 2 undercut the expected psx2 drop 2 £199-99.
Gates has 2 huge premises one in hungary for the UK machines - sorry just some info - not important
cool
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I hate legacy games and most of them suck.
If all you can play on GC is Mario Circlejerk 55 and Mario Mantrain 3 then I\'d rather have an X-box.
And please God, no more Sonic.
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oh yeah look as these specs for the x box compared to gamecube and my answer which one i will buy should be obvious lol
Expected Early 2002 X-BOX Retail £189-99
CPU: 733 MHz Intel
Graphics Processor: 250MHz custom Xchip, developed by Microsoft and nVIDIA
Total Memory: 64 MB
Memory Bandwidth: 6.4 GB/sec
Polygon Performance: 125 M/sec
Sustained Polygon Performance: 100+ M/sec (transformed and lit polygons per second)
Micropolygons/particles per second: 125 M/sec
Particle Performance: 125 M/sec
Simultaneous Textures: 4
Pixel Fill Rate - No Texture: 4.0 G/Sec (anti-aliased)
Pixel Fill Rate - 1 Texture: 4.0 G/Sec (anti-aliased)
Compressed Textures: Yes (6:1)
Full Scene Anti-Alias: Yes
Micro Polygon Support: Yes
Storage Medium: 2-5x DVD, 8GB hard disk, 8MB memory card
I/0: 2-5x DVD, 8GB hard disk, 8MB memory card
Audio Channels:64 (up to 256 stereo voices)
3D Audio Support: Yes
MIDI DLS2 Support: Yes
AC3 Encoded Game Audio: Yes
Broadband Enabled: Yes
Modem Enabled: No
DVD Movie Playback: Remote control package required
Maximum Resolution: 1920x1080
Maximum Resolution (2x32bpp frame buffers +Z): 1920x1080
HDTV Support: Yes
Expected Summer 2002 Gamecube Retail £ TBC
expected retail £ 199-99 - £249-99
MPU("Microprocessor Unit")* IBM Power PC "Gekko"
Manufacturing Process 0.18 Microns Copper Wire Technology
Clock Frequency 405 MHz
CPU Capacity 925 Dmips (Dhrystone 2.1)
Internal Data Precision 32bit Integer & 64bit Floating-point
External Bus Bandwidth 1.6GB/second(Peak)
External Bus Bandwidth 1.6GB/second(Peak) (32bit address, 64bit data bus 202.5MHz)
Internal Cache L1: Instruction 32KB, Data 32KB (8 way) L2: 256KB (2 way)
Internal Cache L1: Instruction 32KB, Data 32KB (8 way) L2: 256KB (2 way)
System LSI "Flipper"
Manufacturing Process 0.18 microns NEC Embedded DRAM Process
Clock Frequency 202.5MHz
Embedded Frame Buffer Approx. 2MB
Embedded Frame Buffer Approx. 2MB Sustainable Latency : 5ns (1T-SRAM)
Embedded Texture Cache Approx. 1MB Sustainable Latency : 5ns (1T-SRAM)
Texture Read Bandwidth 12.8GB/second (Peak)
Main Memory Bandwidth 3.2GB/second (Peak)
Color, Z Buffer Each is 24bits
Image Processing Function Subpixel Anti-aliasing, Multi-texture Mapping/Bump/Environment, MIPMAP, Real-time Texture Decompression, Real-time Decompression
Other Real-time Decompression of Display List, HW Motion Compensation Capability
*The Gekko MPU integrates the power PC CPU into a custom, game-centric chip.
(The following sound related functions are all incorporated into the System LSI)
Sound Processor Special 16bit DSP
Instruction Memory 8KB RAM + 8KB ROM
Instruction Memory 8KB RAM + 8KB ROM
Data Memory 8KB RAM + 4KB ROM
Clock Frequency 101.25 MHz
Maximum Number of Simultaneously Produced Sounds ADPCM: 64ch
Sampling Frequency 48KHz
System Floating-point Arithmetic Capability 13.0GFLOPS (Peak) (MPU, Geometry Engine, HW Lighting Total)
Actual Display Capability 6 million to 12 million polygons/second
Actual Display Capability 6 million to 12 million polygons/second (Display capability assuming actual game with complexity model, texture, etc.)
System Main Memory 24MB Sustainable Latency : 10ns or lower (1T-SRAM)
A-Memory 16MB (100MHz DRAM)
Disc Drive Data Transfer Speed 16 Mpbs to 25 Mbps
Media 8cm NINTENDO GAMECUBE Disc based on Matsu****a\'s Optical Disc Technology
Media 8cm NINTENDO GAMECUBE Optical Disc Approx. 1.5GB Capacity
Input/Output Controller Port x4
Digicard Slot x2
Analog AV Output x1
Digital AV Output x1
High-Speed Serial Port x2
High-speed Parallel Port x1
Power Supply AC Adapter DC12V x 3.5A
Main Unit Dimensions 150mm(W) x 110mm(H) x 161mm(D)
both mighty impressive - all this info can be found at
http://www.sggc.co.uk
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You purchase your systems based on specifications? How incredibly superficial. Anyhow, we all know that the X-Box is just Bill\'s PS2 equivalent, so if you do purchase an X-Box, you will, in effect own two PS2\'s. If you already own a PS2, buy a Gamecube if you either desire or require variety. Is Oddworld really worth a 250-300 dollar console purchase? I think not. Do Eternal Darkness and Resident Evil 0 warrant a $200 Gamecube system purchase? Hell yes, as well as all of the other amazingly enjoyable software packages Nintendo has in store for it\'s customers. If you already own a PS2, do not buy another PS2 (X-Box). Now now, I know what you\'re thinking. The X-Box will have all of those PC ports. This is true, but since you people are in fact on the internet, I take it that you all own personal computers.
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Saying Xbox is PS2\'s equivalent is like saying Gamecube is for kiddies
Halo, Oddworld, Malice, Project Gothem, DOA3, Project Ego to name a few won\'t be on the PS2 and there are about 40 more XBox exclusive titles in works that have not been revealed yet
educate yourselves people
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Saying Xbox is PS2\'s equivalent is like saying Gamecube is for kiddies
Halo, Oddworld, Malice, Project Gothem, DOA3, Project Ego to name a few won\'t be on the PS2 and there are about 40 more XBox exclusive titles in works that have not been revealed yet
educate yourselves people
I hope to God you aren\'t attempting to call me an ignorant gamer. I have done extensive research on the subject matter of videogames, and as far was I have come to understand, the X-Box\'s exclusive titles are exclusive for one of two reasons. Either no other system manufacturer would take the damn things or some sorry @ss small-time 3rd party developers are trying to make names for themselves by attempting to astound that son-of-a-b**** Bill Gates. Saying that the X-Box isn’t Bill\'s tantamount console to Sony\'s PS2 is about as truthful as saying that Nintendo does not know how to make good games. Sure, the X-Box will have good exclusive software packages, but those specific games are only variations of games already available for the PS2 currently or in the near future. I know, I mentioned RE:0 in my previous post. It too will be exclusive to it’s respective system (Gamecube), but that particular console will also have many exclusive games coming directly from 2nd party developers as well as in-house developers. Can the same be said of the X-Box. Surely not.
P.S. Halo was vastly under whelming at E3 and Malice is looking to be far too "kiddy" for someone like yourself to appreciate.
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Gamecube baby!!! $200, this is cooler than a ruler! :laughing:
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its gamecube for me, i have a feelin xbox wont last long!!!
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Do you seriously believe that Sony would drop the price of their console 100 fricken dollars?!?! I say $50 at the MOST. Just enough to undercut the Xbox.
BTW, If the PS2 were to do something as foolish as to drop their price by $100 Nintendo would just follow suit and lower the price of their console even more. There is only so much of a loss that Sony can take.
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GAMECUBE!!!!! Absolutly, and Sony stated many times that their not gonna lower the PS2 price when the GC and Xbox launch, take it for what its worth. Although a lot of ppl say if they do drop the price its only gonna be a $50 decrease.
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Originally posted by Gohan
Do you seriously believe that Sony would drop the price of their console 100 fricken dollars?!?! I say $50 at the MOST. Just enough to undercut the Xbox.
BTW, If the PS2 were to do something as foolish as to drop their price by $100 Nintendo would just follow suit and lower the price of their console even more. There is only so much of a loss that Sony can take.
Nintendo wouldnt drop there price more to out do SONY, that would be to much of a risk for a system that isnt even out yet, they don\'t know what to expect and they have already beat out X-BOX so i think they would stay with their 200 buck price
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I think I\'ll just enjoy my PS2 and my DC for now. I\'m too busy enjoying them both to argue about two other consoles that haven\'t even been released yet. At the end of the day I can just come here and watch everyone else compare specs, screenshots, and launch titles trying to convince eachother that they can somehow predict what console will be best for one and other. PS2, X-box, and GC all have something different to offer. I don\'t think you can go wrong with whatever one you choose. As long as the games interest me and I enjoy playing them, I\'m not going to care what anybody else thinks about which console I chose to buy.
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1-Sony will not drop $100
2-I\'ve got both systems preordered, so the rest of the discussion is a moot point to me.
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1. Sony will prolly drop the price by $50 and perhaps 100 Pounds in UK (Europe).
2. I\'m not sure whether or not I\'ll get a next gen console at launch, but if I will, it\'ll prolly be Xbox. GC just doesn\'t seem to interest me all that much - but I\'ll keep an eye on it\'s games and might get one at a later date.
3. It\'s funny how "all" people here are saying Xbox is going to fail and whatnot. When I look at the MSXBOX forums they say the exact opposite... I know that\'s just the way it is, but it\'s still kinda funny.
4. Don\'t dismiss a system right away. All systems will have great games and great gaming experiences. And isn\'t that what we all want afterall?
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Why would Sony not drop the price? Now, they won\'t drop the price now. The system is still selling. Not to mention, Fall 2001 (especially November when both systems will be out) is still 5-6 months away. Plenty of time to rack in the dough before major competition arrive. However, will Sony let MS compete with a system that I\'m sure MS will say is vastly superior (how much and and truthful that is depends on who is looking at it) in their 500 million ad campaign with the same price? And Nintendo, Nintendo is Nintendo. They could do fine against Sony no matter what (and the worse, they could just fall back to the GBA). Though having the cheapest system at this time doesn\'t exactly help Sony in any shape or form either (PS2 may have the game support, but with the expect big push of the Xbox with its support even, Sony almost has to lower the price to compete).
Now, I don\'t plan to have either new system this fall. After that, I will reevaluate my ideas.
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Dreamcast
but to answer the question, GameCube
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definitely gamecube, but that\'s not based on the price tag. It\'s based on the fact that it\'s the system i want more. I made this decision before E3, and I can safely say after E3, and looking towards spaceworld that decision has not changed at all. I\'m a big fan of nintendo\'s franchises, and I definitely like the sounds of some of the other titles coming to GC. It was unfortunate that a few of the anticipated games didn\'t make it to E3, some of the games that will help expand this "kiddy" image to a wider demographic, such as Too human, PDzero, and RE:0 we have to wait till spaceworld for, but I have no problems with that.
Xbox interests me to an extent, but not enough to warrant me handing out another $700 odd (Australian) for one.
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I think that MS will actually launch the Xbox at $249. They offer several advantages over the Gamecube and most people will realize that:
Broadband
Hard Disk
DVD player
CD Player
The Xbox is worth more than the GC, and when final hardware comes out and people take a look at it, then I really believe that they won\'t be dissapointed.
If the GC is $199 and the Xbox is $249, I\'d prolly buy the Xbox instead. For an extra thirty bucks, I get a progressive scan DVD player too. And for those who don\'t know...
A progressive Scan DVD Player costs $500!!! I can get one for $300 with the Xbox!
Hmm... now which one would I choose???
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Xbox all the way! Rasputin you are least articulate person to ever post here. Your generalizations about the software lineup is comical! Third Party developers who no one wants? We\'ll see your ass will register on here in November under a different name touting the Xbox is the end all be all LOL!
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well i am leaning towards an Xbox right now but i want them all so i hope to evntually get a GC just depends
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SH!T. I accidently erased what I had writen. Ah well...
MistaWhoKnow****-the official price is $299. It won\'t change.
My choice is Nintendo\'s GameCube. I don\'t care what kind of special features the Xbox has. It\'s games line-up is pathetic. And we certainly don\'t play hard-drives on our TVs, we play games. NGC is getting the better games IMO so that\'s why I\'m chosing it over the Xbox.
Eternal Darkness, Luigi\'s Mansion, Wave Race: Blue Storm, Star Fox Adventures, Super Samsh Bros:Melee, Pikmin, and Rogue Leader are all scheduled to be released before 2002. I want all of these games and they can only be found on one system- GameCube. And that\'s why I\'m getting it.
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It\'s games line-up is pathetic. And we certainly don\'t play hard-drives on our TVs, we play games.
If you want to look at it like that, we might as well say, We don\'t play CD rom based games on our TV we play Expensive, limted in memory carts.
The Hard-drive will take gamming to new levels in gameplay, as well as eliminating loading times.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
The Hard-drive will take gamming to new levels in gameplay, as well as eliminating loading times.
I hate to say this but the real future of gaming will be no harddrive and constantly streaming data.
The harddrive is just a big band-aid for console gaming. It will be used to load quicker and store large amounts of data but by next generation DVD drives will be blazing fast as will memory. Constantly streaming data will always be the real direction not bigger larger storage devices. The HD in Xbox is thier because most programmers are good enough to write streaming code, and its a familiar part of PC game code writing
The only reason Sony is adding a HD is for movies, music and other types of broadband content, other benefits will be downloading demos and extra levels, but this is just the added bonus.
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This is what Sony could do..
Sell the PS2 for 199.99 with no modem and hardrive.
OR
Sell the PS2 with the hardrive and modem already installed for 299.99.
I bet ya this is what Sony is thinking, it gives you more choices to make with the PS2. If you don\'t want the hardrive or modem right now, you can get the PS2 regular and add it later. Or maybe you don\'t want a chunky hardrive but the modem, you could buy the PS2 regular and just add a modem.
Isn\'t this a kewl idea.
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I love what I have in gaming on my PS2 and I can\'t wait for the great games still heading down the pike for same. With that said, many games for the XBOX are looking quite nice. Now with THAT said...given that I already have a fairly heavy-performance PC...don\'t folks think that games for the XBOX will probably port to the PC as well??? Just curious...
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Its gonna have to be x-box for me I think.
I know some people on this board think that power doesnt matter but I do.
If power doesnt matter we would all be driving around in skoda\'s.
And I think developers are starting to like x-box.
The power makes it easy for them so no more short cuts or using software to iron out problems.
Well thats what they were saying at E3...
Also very interesting when a developer ?? made a comment about if GT3 was created on X-box if would have halved the time compared to a PS2 release.
I might buy the gamecube for my nephew..
He\'s five years old and that right up his street.
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Originally posted by tHe GaMe
I bet ya this is what Sony is thinking, it gives you more choices to make with the PS2. If you don\'t want the hardrive or modem right now, you can get the PS2 regular and add it later. Or maybe you don\'t want a chunky hardrive but the modem, you could buy the PS2 regular and just add a modem.
I\'ll take that bet. Why would Sony want to divide their own market?
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
If you want to look at it like that, we might as well say, We don\'t play CD rom based games on our TV we play Expensive, limted in memory carts.don\'t be an idiot
The Hard-drive will take gamming to new levels in gameplay, as well as eliminating loading times.
GameCube Mini-DVDs is Nintendo\'s weapon for loading times. They load a lot faster than regular DVDs and CDs so GameCube doesn\'t really need a HD.
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Also very interesting when a developer ?? made a comment about if GT3 was created on X-box if would have halved the time compared to a PS2 release.
Only if that comment was made by Polyphony would it have credibility.
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Originally posted by EThugg
1-Sony will not drop $100
do you have those special cards that predict the future, just a simple question
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Originally posted by Bozco
do you have those special cards that predict the future, just a simple question
You don\'t need to predict the future to know that SOny is not going to drop the price of their console by $100. It is bad business and it would not make any sense.
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Originally posted by Bozco
do you have those special cards that predict the future, just a simple question
Sony does things by a strict formula. They won\'t do such a large drop. Unless they got a brain and are really scared of GC and XB. LOL....
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Originally posted by ddaryl
I hate to say this but the real future of gaming will be no hard drive and constantly streaming data.
The hard drive is just a big band-aid for console gaming. It will be used to load quicker and store large amounts of data but by next generation DVD drives will be blazing fast as will memory. Constantly streaming data will always be the real direction not bigger larger storage devices. The HD in Xbox is their because most programmers are good enough to write streaming code, and its a familiar part of PC game code writing
The only reason Sony is adding a HD is for movies, music and other types of broadband content, other benefits will be downloading demos and extra levels, but this is just the added bonus.
Actually that is only half of the picture. First off, DVD drives will be no where near the speed of a hard drive in five years, especially when you consider that both technologies will continue to advance.
Anyway, there is a lot more to a hard drive than streaming from its cache (larger levels, more textures, less and faster loading). You have add-ons, switching in-game music with your own, a huge space to save changes to the gaming world (Ego is a great example of a game that needs a hard drive) and even though RAM speeds will increase next generation, so will the recourse demands of the games. A hard drive is a great way to increase the speed and scope of a game while also adding extra features (demos for instance) without breaking the bank.
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Why buy an X-box when u have a PS2? Gamecube looks like the right choice to me.
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I still think SONY might drop it a 100, they might not but you guys dont know they wont for sure
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Originally posted by Bozco
I still think SONY might drop it a 100, they might not but you guys dont know they wont for sure
And I think the Patriots are going to win the Super Bowl this season.
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Originally posted by ViVi
Why buy an X-box when u have a PS2? Gamecube looks like the right choice to me.
Uhhh, for XB games.... duh....
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Originally posted by Gohan
And I think the Patriots are going to win the Super Bowl this season.
Go browns, there the best team in football
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I\'d buy both.
Wait..I am going to buy both. Once my EB takes pre-orders on the GC, I\'m going down there and going to pay in full for it..Then put a pre-order down on Xbox and pay $100 on it each month, until it is paid off, that way in Nov. all my spare cash will go to games / memory cards for both systems.
;)
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GameCube is a jewel ! I\'ll buy it at launch with 2 or 3 Games !!!! I can\'t wait !
...the X-Box...maybe later...in Q1 or Q2 2003...just now I haven\'t seen games I\'m interested in...