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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: rastalant on May 21, 2001, 04:08:55 PM
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this is from another forum, in a response by TheTone to Sympel\'s impressions of the show, thanks to them both:
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LOL.
"The most amusing part was when I saw one of the main Xbox guys (the big tall one with the pony tail, don\'t know his name) walk over to the Rogue Leader area and say, "Oh, so this is the game that\'s supposed to look better than the Xbox? How pathetic!" At this point, his three cronies kind of looked away from him without saying a word"
That guy you were talking about was Lorne Lanning of Oddworld. He is the Julian. e of Microsoft but at least Julian doesnt troll at other companies booths. Thats the funniest thing i\'ve heard all day
"cheesy controller"
This is some funny stuff here. Whoa he bashed gamecube at the booth while playing it. M$ must have paid him good to do this.
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too hard to prove if its true or not, but Lorne is in for a rude awakening if he expects Xbox to just fly off the shelves as fast as the PS2 and GC.
Regardless of what he thinks of graphic quality people have to buy lots of Xbox\'s for him to make money.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
too hard to prove if its true or not, but Lorne is in for a rude awakening if he expects Xbox to just fly off the shelves as fast as the PS2 and GC.
Regardless of what he thinks of graphic quality people have to buy lots of Xbox\'s for him to make money.
Well it depends maybe in american the xbox will sell very well, but japan a different story. That\'s when they may be in trouble.
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even if it doesn\'t do well in japan it doesn\'t mean it can\'t be successful
it will just be an American marketed console and for a first Japanese will have to import
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There are two people who make games that I don\'t listen to anymore(forgive the atrocious use of words I\'m just so f\'in tired):
1. Jason Rubin
2. Lorne Lanning
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Japan might have had to import the Jaguar before so its not really a first.
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Originally posted by Sublimesjg
even if it doesn\'t do well in japan it doesn\'t mean it can\'t be successful
it will just be an American marketed console and for a first Japanese will have to import
I agree it can be successful in just american. Personally, I hope the systems very successful I\'m still buying one at launch proably.
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I disagree, I think winning Japan is one of the keys to having a successful console, as a matter of fact right off hand I dont think there has been 1 console that has been a real smash without being successful in Japan.
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Originally posted by PS2 Addict
I disagree, I think winning Japan is one of the keys to having a successful console, as a matter of fact right off hand I dont think there has been 1 console that has been a real smash without being successful in Japan.
But the reason why is cause all the console were mostly japanese made so that why it was so important for to do good in there home turf. Same for xbox its more important for it to do good in the u.s.
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Originally posted by PS2 Addict
I disagree, I think winning Japan is one of the keys to having a successful console, as a matter of fact right off hand I dont think there has been 1 console that has been a real smash without being successful in Japan.
Funny..N64 did pretty poor in japan, but overall was successful, and lasted til the end of the generation.
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Eh, I never really considered the N64 a truly successful console, it didnt really have the big names developing for them till late (EB, Namco, Capcom??) and excluding launch and the months surronding it I really never saw them flying off the shelves, it just really wasnt a big seller, but Nintendo chose to support it and thats one of the reasons I choose to buy Nintendo products.
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*But the reason why is cause all the console were mostly japanese made so that why it was so important for to do good in there home turf. *
Thats true and Xbox actually has potential unlike the Jaguar, we\'ll just have to see, its definetly gonna be someting new.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
There are two people who make games that I don\'t listen to anymore(forgive the atrocious use of words I\'m just so f\'in tired):
1. Jason Rubin
2. Lorne Lanning
Jason Rubin only back handed Lorne after all that BS he kept spewing about the PS2. I don\'t see how you can find that upsetting.
On top of that he and ND have obviously backed up every word.
I guess one thing I can\'t stand is hearing Nintendo Officials constantly BS\'ing everyone into believing they\'re the only ones who make great games
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Jason Rubin only back handed Lorne after all that BS he kept spewing about the PS2. I don\'t see how you can find that upsetting.
On top of that he and ND have obviously backed up every word.
I guess one thing I can\'t stand is hearing Nintendo Officials constantly BS\'ing everyone into believing they\'re the only ones who make great games
1-Lanning had the balls to tell the truth. Not BS.
2-As much as Munch backs up Lannings ego.
3-I agree with the last statement. A little.
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-Lanning had the balls to tell the truth. Not BS.
Agreed!!
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Pretty much everything Lanning said was complete BS. He complained forever about how hard the ps2 was to develop for, and then when he started developing for the x-box he ran his mouth about how much he could do with that hardware. Now if you take a look at the screen shots of the game, they look like crap. Where\'s all those great graphics that he was promising.
Rubin on the other hand, just talked about whinny developers. He said that dev teams shouldn\'t complain about hardware difficulties. If they don\'t want to put hard work into their games, then they should be looking for another line of work. The excellent graphics of Naughty Dog\'s game, J&D just goes to show that he can back up every comment he made. :cool:
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Lanning is a ****ing crybaby, and it\'s widely said that Munch could be done on PS2 and still look as good. When he\'s not BSing, he\'s swallowing Billyboy\'s cum.
LANNING: DO YOU WANT TO STAY FOR LUNCH? I\'M HAVING MONEY!
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Originally posted by ooseven
HOW much of a idiot dose he sound for saying
"Oh, so this is the game that\'s supposed to look better than the Xbox? How pathetic!"
The people around him should of dragged him out to the front of E3 and kick the living BS out of him.
or they could of just said to him in return.
"You call yourself a good programmer, How pathetic!"
That is UNSUBSTANTIATED! Prove he said that. And he is a good programmer. Munch looks much better than RS2.
Kenny-
So much bull****....
Munch looks great, PS2 is hard to develop for, Rubin said his game would be better... it doesn\'t look that way at this point..., Lanning and Oddworld are putting more effort into Munch than 90% of developers put into their games. J&D looks nice, but not better than Munch, and Munch has much more innovation. Lanning was right, Rubin was wrong.
Weltall-
Weltall: I\'m a whiny little ***** who want\'s to diss a great person who dissed my precious PS2 because Sony made a lot of mistakes.
There you go. Real mature, right?
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HOW much of a idiot dose he sound for saying
"Oh, so this is the game that\'s supposed to look better than the Xbox? How pathetic!"
The people around him should of dragged him out to the front of E3 and kick the living BS out of him.
or they could of just said to him in return.
"You call yourself a good programmer, How pathetic!"
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Originally posted by EThugg
That is UNSUBSTANTIATED! Prove he said that. And he is a good programmer. Munch looks much better than RS2.
Kenny-
So much bull****....
Munch looks great, PS2 is hard to develop for, Rubin said his game would be better... it doesn\'t look that way at this point..., Lanning and Oddworld are putting more effort into Munch than 90% of developers put into their games. J&D looks nice, but not better than Munch, and Munch has much more innovation. Lanning was right, Rubin was wrong.
Weltall-
Weltall: I\'m a whiny little ***** who want\'s to diss a great person who dissed my precious PS2 because Sony made a lot of mistakes.
There you go. Real mature, right?
He\'s constantly taking swipes at everyone. It\'s only fair that I do it to. So go die somewhere.
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Originally posted by Weltall
He\'s constantly taking swipes at everyone. It\'s only fair that I do it to. So go die somewhere.
is that another thing that that ARSE LANNING said ?
Hu not only has he got the nerve to be a total FANBOY that a nintendo stall, but now he\'s asking thme to go die somewhere.
Someone should try and cut that pony tail of his with a chainsaw.
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Originally posted by Weltall
Lanning is a ****ing crybaby, and it\'s widely said that Munch could be done on PS2 and still look as good. When he\'s not BSing, he\'s swallowing Billyboy\'s cum.
LANNING: DO YOU WANT TO STAY FOR LUNCH? I\'M HAVING MONEY!
:laughing::laughing::laughing:
Ohh man that was one amusing post :laughing:
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Originally posted by ooseven
is that another thing that that ARSE LANNING said ?
Hu not only has he got the nerve to be a total FANBOY that a nintendo stall, but now he\'s asking thme to go die somewhere.
Someone should try and cut that pony tail of his with a chainsaw.
Err...no, my friend, I was telling ETHUGG to go die somewhere:D
j/k... ETHUGG is cool. He\'s in my hallowed AIM shoutout list.
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Originally posted by ooseven
is that another thing that that ARSE LANNING said ?
Hu not only has he got the nerve to be a total FANBOY that a nintendo stall, but now he\'s asking thme to go die somewhere.
Someone should try and cut that pony tail of his with a chainsaw.
Again, there\'s no proof he said anything at the Nintendo booth. Stop stating rumors and hersay as fact.
Weltall-Too bad I never use AIM... we could argue in real-time... :)
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Originally posted by Weltall
Err...no, my friend, I was telling ETHUGG to go die somewhere:D
j/k... ETHUGG is cool. He\'s in my hallowed AIM shoutout list.
Ah it\'s cool man...
But mark my words as we speak the developers of Rouge Leader are making a, secret "bomb Lorne Lanning" Level
:laughing:
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and it\'s widely said that Munch could be done on PS2 and still look as good
ARe you really that blind!!!! how the hell do you know that, the creator of the game says otherwise, I wonder who knows better, you or the guys making the game????
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Lanning does have a of talk for a guy we never heard of until he jumped to ps2 to xbox. From what I heard oddworld runs at 30fps which is sad. I expected nothing less than 60fps for that game.
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Originally posted by raslant
Lanning does have a of talk for a guy we never heard of until he jumped to ps2 to xbox. From what I heard oddworld runs at 30fps which is sad. I expected nothing less than 60fps for that game.
If you never heard of Lanning before, you don\'t read much about games...
You heard Munch runs at 30fps? I heard PS3 will be out soon and that XB will play DC games. I believe everyting I hear...
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Originally posted by EThugg
If you never heard of Lanning before, you don\'t read much about games...
You heard Munch runs at 30fps? I heard PS3 will be out soon and that XB will play DC games. I believe everyting I hear...
Sorry Ethugg but if you are have a bit of trouble understanding why soo many people hate Lanning.
Well put yourself in the shoes of a Rouge Leader Developer and then to hvae some Pony Haired GIT walk up tp you ate E3 and say.
"Oh, so this is the game that\'s supposed to look better than the Xbox? How pathetic!"
HOW would you react ?
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Originally posted by EThugg
If you never heard of Lanning before, you don\'t read much about games...
You heard Munch runs at 30fps? I heard PS3 will be out soon and that XB will play DC games. I believe everyting I hear...
I mean he acts like he\'s in the league of the genius like yu suzki, myamito(mario creator), hideo(metal gear man), and final fantasy creator.
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Well put yourself in the shoes of a Rouge Leader Developer and then to hvae some Pony Haired GIT walk up tp you ate E3 and say.
"Oh, so this is the game that\'s supposed to look better than the Xbox? How pathetic!"
HOW would you react ?
Hello, did you not realize that this whole thing is a rumor. Until lanning or the Rouge Leader Developer says otherwise, A RUMOR it will always be!
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I mean he acts like he\'s in the league of the genius like yu suzki, myamito(mario creator), hideo(metal gear man), and final fantasy creator.
That is your opinion but I respect this man, and philosophy in gamming.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Hello, did you not realize that this whole thing is a rumor. Until lanning or the Rouge Leader Developer says otherwise, A RUMOR it will always be!
Ah but you see there lays the problem.
Lanning won\'t confirm if he did/ or didn\'t say it, because it will make him look like an ARSE
and the
Rouge Leader Crew cant say anyhing or they will be seen to be either
- Making it up to destroy a competitors Rep
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- It could being bad publicity, if a "fellow" developer is quotes as dissing their product
pitty they didn\'t have a fight or somthing after he said
"Oh, so this is the game that\'s supposed to look better than the Xbox? How pathetic!"
then we would realy know if there was bad blood between them.
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Originally posted by ooseven
Sorry Ethugg but if you are have a bit of trouble understanding why soo many people hate Lanning.
Well put yourself in the shoes of a Rouge Leader Developer and then to hvae some Pony Haired GIT walk up tp you ate E3 and say.
"Oh, so this is the game that\'s supposed to look better than the Xbox? How pathetic!"
HOW would you react ?
GODDAMNIT!!! 3rd time! YOU DONT KNOW HE SAID THAT! Don\'t make me say it again! :mad:
raslant- He is with Kojima... Kojima has had one great franchise and only one. The rest, I agree.
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Why would you think that this game cannot be done on the ps2. When the ps2 can do games like this.
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Originally posted by Kenny--73
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Why would you think that this game cannot be done on the ps2. When the ps2 can do games like this.
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While I think that shot of Abe looks better, I never said Munch wasn\'t possible on PS2, and I didn\'t support Lanning saying that specificly. And J&D wasn\'t shown when he said that.
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Listen go and watch the video taken from e3 where lanning explains his game, there he describes what he was able to acomplish on XBOX that simply could not be done on PSX2
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raslant- He is with Kojima... Kojima has had one great franchise and only one. The rest, I agree
Snatcher and Policenauts were great games. Not to mention the Metal Gear series completely annihilates the Oddworld games. Both by design and technical aspects. Don\'t get me wrong, I like Oddworld, but this guy is no super designer.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Listen go and watch the video taken from e3 where lanning explains his game, there he describes what he was able to acomplish on XBOX that simply could not be done on PSX2
More like what he didn\'t how to do on PS2.
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- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Originally posted by datamage
Snatcher and Policenauts were great games. Not to mention the Metal Gear series completely annihilates the Oddworld games. Both by design and technical aspects. Don\'t get me wrong, I like Oddworld, but this guy is no super designer.
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- the trick is to keep breathing.
True hideo has some good games as well like zoe.
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I can\'t believe that you could bash a guy that is doing something more developers need to do, MAKE ORIGINAL GAMES! MGS2 and J&D are definitely NOT original. I would definitely call Munch one of the most original games coming out, I bet nobody can think of a game that is anything like it.
The only reason Lanning is getting dissed on here is because he left PS2, how pathetic can you be? If the Factor 5 can\'t take criticism for a completely unoriginal game, then maybe they shouldn\'t be making games at all.
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originally by datamage
More like what he didn\'t how to do on PS2.
What a dumbass, that\'s right keep believing that.
If you actually took the time to watch the video(which is obvious you didn\'t) you would learned something. Instead you just shoot of your mouth. What lanning was able to accomplish on XBOX had to do with hardware design(GPU) Therefore it has nothing to do with what he didn\'t know how to do.
Please don\'t respond to this post untill you watch the video.
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What a dumbass, that\'s right keep believing that.
If you want to resort to name calling, go shove a Voodoo 2 up your ass.
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- the trick is to keep breathing.
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MGS2 and J&D are definitely NOT original.
I was referring to MG as a whole. From the beginning of Metal Gear to now. I sure as hell prefer to play a MG game than an Oddworld game. Not that I dislike Oddworld.
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- the trick is to keep breathing.
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And of course, working on the THIRD Oddworld game, Lanning\'s originality utterly SHAMES everyone else\'s efforts. Hoo boy.
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Well if Hideo Kojima is anything like this,he\'s no better than Lanning :D
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Penny-Arcade rules :D
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If you want to resort to name calling
I\'m sorry I didn\'t mean to be nasty, but that comment you made More like what he didn\'t how to do on PS2.
was just total BS.
Oh by the way i was too poor to buy a voodo2.
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Originally posted by datamage
Snatcher and Policenauts were great games. Not to mention the Metal Gear series completely annihilates the Oddworld games. Both by design and technical aspects. Don\'t get me wrong, I like Oddworld, but this guy is no super designer.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
Snatcher & Policenauts were ok. They were digital comics, not too innovative. ZOE wasn\'t made by Kojima, he was just overseeing it, and I hate it. MGS is a great game to. But not better than Munch will be. MGS (PSX) wasn\'t that great. Kojimas no super designer either. His biggest accomplicment was what? Making a realistic game? It took 0 innovation to give a guy a gun. Munch is very innovative, despite being the 2nd in the series (Exodus was a side story, because PSX couldnt do a true sequal.).
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http://forums.msxbox.com/showthread.php?threadid=14856&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
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Hey DDaryl we are famous[/i] it seems. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Hey DDaryl we are famous[/i] it seems. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
Yeah it seems
I understand Xbox fans excitement with Oddworld and the PS2. The franchise is cool IMO. But the way he slammed the PS2 in its infancy and to see some of the great games and great looking games coming out on the PS2 by some of the better devs kinda makes us PS2 fans think he\'s just a whiner
He could\'ve realized a veryv respectabvle version of Munch on the PS2, made a heluva alot of cash, and befriended alot of diehard PS2 fans in the process
We\'ll see if his strategy pays out, the man deserves some razzin !!!!
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Originally posted by ddaryl
I understand Xbox fans excitement with Oddworld and the PS2. The franchise is cool IMO. But the way he slammed the PS2 in its infancy and to see some of the great games and great looking games coming out on the PS2 by some of the better devs kinda makes us PS2 fans think he\'s just a whiner
He could\'ve realized a veryv respectabvle version of Munch on the PS2, made a heluva alot of cash, and befriended alot of diehard PS2 fans in the process
We\'ll see if his strategy pays out, the man deserves some razzin !!!!
He slammed PS2 because of the difficulty and high cost of development. Konami and Capcom and ND (now owned by Sony) have money to burn, Oddworld didnn\'t. XB offered a easier, more advanced system, plus the financial backing of MS. Why should Lanning have settled for PS2, and debt, when he had a option. And he had the balls to voice his opinion. It\'s not like he held regular press conferences dissing PS2, he said his opinions in interviews. PS2 fans may not like him, but he\'s getting more flak than Rubins, who I might add, dissed XB after not working on it. Lanning dissed PS2 from experience.
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I\'m sorry I didn\'t mean to be nasty, but that comment you made
Just forget about it. I admit I did not see the movie, perhaps if you provide a link I\'ll take a look.
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- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Snatcher & Policenauts were ok. They were digital comics, not too innovative. ZOE wasn\'t made by Kojima, he was just overseeing it, and I hate it. MGS is a great game to. But not better than Munch will be. MGS (PSX) wasn\'t that great. Kojimas no super designer either. His biggest accomplicment was what? Making a realistic game? It took 0 innovation to give a guy a gun. Munch is very innovative, despite being the 2nd in the series (Exodus was a side story, because PSX couldnt do a true sequal.).
Oh well, there\'s no point in arguing because it\'s all an opinion anyway. I think Miyamoto is overrated, while people think he is god.
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- the trick is to keep breathing.
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here you go datamage just sit back and relax. As soon as the video starts it\'s lanning speaking.
http://www.xbox.com/news/0105/1601.htm