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I might be a bit late for this one, but I can also confirm that Nintendo has stated that they are targeting the younger audiance and that they are not in direct competition to Sony. Nintendo of Europe (Germany specifically) has said this personally. So Ryu and Chrono are correct on this one - and even if this wouldn\'t be proven, is it so hard to believe? Just look at the majority of games and the majority of owners of Nintendo\'s. This isn\'t bad, but just a interesting fact.

If anyone wants that link of Nintendo quoting this, I will try to dig it up.

Seven.....you dont have any proof that they said that right now so why should I belive you? Get me proof and then Ill belive you...

Seven.....you dont have any proof that they said that right now so why should I belive you? Get me proof and then Ill belive you...

cloud345.. its not just seven
Ryu, Myself and Seven have all reportedly seen the same quote.

If its so important to you, why don\'t you search for it yourself

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Get yourself a back  issue of EGM. It is an interview with the President of Nintendo America, they talk about the GBA being a "trojan horse" for the NGC, launch games for the NGC and how Nintendo is not in direct competition with Sony or MS. It was a PRE-E3 issue last year.

Blade and Cloud your arguing something that is a known fact. Everyone knows nintendo is aiming towards younger gamers. They have been doing it and they have said themselves. Everyone knows look at the games on N64 and look at gamecube. One RE title does not make them a adult system all of a sudden.

Everyone calls nintendo kiddy for a reason. Nothing is wrong with aiming for kids. So stop arguing something that we all know is true.

NOA\'s Peter Main has said that they\'re not in direct competition with Sony and MS.. true.

Nintendo isn\'t putting out GT3 and SSX clones to take down Sony like Microsoft is. Over Christmas time, MS and Sony were fighting for the same market.. while Nintendo pushed out games like Pikmin and SSBM that don\'t have a "PS2 counterpart".

As for the younger demographic: Yes, it\'s a known fact that Nintendo has always been about the family; younger gamers being the lowest common denominator of a family; Nintendo has a good grip on the child\'s market. Although, Nintendo has never targetted the child gamer. Back in the 1980\'s.. when Nintendo was Nintendo (no obligations to "keep it clean" for parents) they made the same type of games they do today. If you tell Shigeru Miyamoto that he has the right to make a game that\'s twice as risque and violent as GTA3 (which he does have the right to, on GameCube) he\'ll turn it down and EAD will continue to produce the same "kiddy" software as always. It\'s simply their style, not the choice of higher-ups or ratings boards. Nintendo makes light-hearted games, and that\'s that. They like to do it! As for Pokemon, that\'s not even a Nintendo concept.. Game Freak is a 2nd-party.

You have a few exceptions, like some of the stuff coming from Intelligent Systems and R&D1, (Metroid) but other than those games.. everything from Nintendo consoles has a whimsical, light-hearted feel. On the 1st-party side anyways.. they have 2nd-parties for the "mature" stuff.

Funny thing is, I never see kids at the mall playing GameCube. It\'s always PS2 PS2 PS2. My brother comes home from school.. starts talking about the gaming buzz among his middle school colleagues.. "PS2 PS2 PS2". (except for the one nerdy kid that has all 3 consoles) Last Christmas, my young cousin asked for his first console: "PS2". I\'m telling ya, most every console has a huge following of kids.. and at this point in time, I think the ratio of teens/adults to kids playing GameCube is greater than the PS2\'s. Most kids aren\'t early adopters of new consoles.. they always seem to get the older one. Even myself! NES was out, I got the Atari. SNES was out, I got the Genesis. In the end, I had all 4 though.

Nintendo has a "kiddy" image, true. Well, that\'s all it is.. an image. I\'m not a Nintendo fanboy, I just read enough about them (try the book Game Over by David Scheff) to know how they feel about certain things. There have been times in the past where they changed things to suit a family audience (MK1 on SNES) but that was pre-ESRB. Things are different now.. Nintendo is publishing games like Perfect Dark and Eternal Darkness. Nintendo\'s targetting the whole family.. not just kids, not just adults. That is the Nintendo difference.

Now then.. feel free to tear apart my post and say that Nintendo is targetting kids again..

Blade if all these adults are buying gc like hot cakes why are they making so many kiddy games? And why are the sales poor?

But anyways surely your not trying to say ps2 is kiddy? Sure kids play it. Nobody never said ps2 is just for adults and teenagers. And surely you don\'t expect kids to not want to play mature games?

And you think Nintendo  never target to child gamers?
Oh that\'s why they had the super Mario cartoon and mario brothers tv show? And most of nintendo game characters are characters children can easily identify with.

Marketing.

The Super Mario Bros Super Show first appeared over 12 years ago.. and it wasn\'t made by Nintendo nor was it a game. I guess you could say it was milking the success of Mario. (which was booming at the time) How does Mario relate to children? He\'s an over-the-hill Italian plumber! Adults can relate with him a lot more than kids can.

As for "still making kiddy games".. did you read my post?

I told you that Nintendo\'s Japanese teams enjoy making light-hearted games. Out of the GCN games I have, my favorites are Pikmin and Monkey Ball; quite light-hearted, but also very fun. They\'re probably the two "kiddiest" games on the system.. but what do I care? I\'m going to be 18 in a month, but I didn\'t buy this system for M-rated games. Nevertheless, Nintendo themselves want "mature" games on their system.. so they funded Silicon Knights for 4 years. The result: Eternal Darkness.. quoted to be arguably the most mature game ever. Not by gore or sex.. you actually have to be educated to understand it. Most kids won\'t be able to play this game like they can Mario.

As for GCN selling like hot cakes.. where did I say that? We\'re talking about the defunct kiddy issue that non-informed people like to bring up, not sales numbers.

Originally posted by Blade
Marketing.

The Super Mario Bros Super Show first appeared over 12 years ago.. and it wasn\'t made by Nintendo nor was it a game. I guess you could say it was milking the success of Mario. (which was booming at the time) How does Mario relate to children? He\'s an over-the-hill Italian plumber! Adults can relate with him a lot more than kids can.

As for "still making kiddy games".. did you read my post?

I told you that Nintendo\'s Japanese teams enjoy making light-hearted games. Out of the GCN games I have, my favorites are Pikmin and Monkey Ball; quite light-hearted, but also very fun. They\'re probably the two "kiddiest" games on the system.. but what do I care? I\'m going to be 18 in a month, but I didn\'t buy this system for M-rated games. Nevertheless, Nintendo themselves want "mature" games on their system.. so they funded Silicon Knights for 4 years. The result: Eternal Darkness.. quoted to be arguably the most mature game ever. Not by gore or sex.. you actually have to be educated to understand it. Most kids won\'t be able to play this game like they can Mario.

As for GCN selling like hot cakes.. where did I say that? We\'re talking about the defunct kiddy issue that non-informed people like to bring up, not sales numbers.

Umm Nintendo owns Mario nobody can make a mario show without Nintendo or they could get sued for a ton of money. If you think Super Mario was designed for adults your crazy. Give me a break. How in the hell is Mario made to be for adults.

A fat plumber in mario land saving the princess and mushroom heads. Give me a break. And mario is not the only nintendo character that kids can easily Identify with. Basicly all there characters are.

And like I said before there is nothing wrong with kiddy games. Becuase sometimes they are very fun to play and sometimes you just want to play fun games no matter what age you are.

Nintendo makes games for everyone.

Originally posted by QuDDus
How in the hell is Mario made to be for adults.

You remember all those magazine editors that praised Mario 64 as being among the best games ever?  Those editors are adults.

-Eik

Umm Nintendo owns Mario nobody can make a mario show without Nintendo or they could get sued for a ton of money.

Right, Nintendo owns Mario. Although.. do you think that Miyamoto wrote the episodes or something?

If you think Super Mario was designed for adults your crazy. Give me a break. How in the hell is Mario made to be for adults.

I never said that. I said that Mario wasn\'t designed for anybody. Donkey Kong was made for anybody to walk into the arcade and play it.. no demographic. As far as comparing Mario to normal people.. Mario is an adult. Thus.. with all of the facts present, adults should relate to Mario more than children do. That\'s all.

A fat plumber in mario land saving the princess and mushroom heads. Give me a break. And mario is not the only nintendo character that kids can easily Identify with. Basicly all there characters are.

I agree. As I said earlier, Nintendo has properties that relate to children more.. like Pokemon. Your character in Pokemon is an 11-year-old boy/girl.. while Metroid is apparently a 25-30 year old woman. Link varies in age.. but he\'s typically around 16 years old, while Captain Falcon from F-Zero is 36.

And like I said before there is nothing wrong with kiddy games. Becuase sometimes they are very fun to play and sometimes you just want to play fun games no matter what age you are.

I agree.

If a game is well-designed, and provides at least a moderate challenge.. I don\'t care how "fruity" it looks.

[Sorry to do this, but don\'t repeat yourself.  Advance the topic.  -Eik]

Blade if all these adults are buying gc like hot cakes why are they making so many kiddy games? And why are the sales poor?

But anyways surely your not trying to say ps2 is kiddy? Sure kids play it. Nobody never said ps2 is just for adults and teenagers. And surely you don\'t expect kids to not want to play mature games?

And you think Nintendo never target to child gamers?
Oh that\'s why they had the super Mario cartoon and mario brothers tv show? And most of nintendo game characters are characters children can easily identify with.

 Hmmm....whats your definition of a kiddy game? A game that is bright in colors and no gore? No scary stuff? Because I havent seen any kiddy games on GC yet....unless you call games like super monkey ball kiddy. Which its not its an arcade style game...its geared towards people who like to have fun. I dont think its kiddy its to challeging to be kiddy. If SMB is a kiddy game then crazy taxi, 18 wheeler type games are also kiddy. They are practically the same colors are they not? They both have no gore correct? (well ive never accually played crazi taki so I may be wrong.) SMB is an arcade game made by SEGA if you think its kiddie then I guess you think alot of arcade style games are kiddie as well.



      Mario is another game that you call kiddy......kids can easily identify the characters but cant adults eaily idenitfy them too? It when N64 was producing pokemon games was it because they wear targeting kids? No. And if you think they were you are sadly mistaken. See I went to nintendo .com to do some research. I found a part were they said that they were making pokemon games simply because at that time pokemon was probaly the biggest thing at the time. The games just sold. It was a profit not because they were targeting kids.




      Eik......why did you edit my post they still arent giving me solid proof thats all I want....if they give me a quote and a link then I will have to belive them wont I?

Blade and Cloud your arguing something that is a known fact. Everyone knows nintendo is aiming towards younger gamers. They have been doing it and they have said themselves. Everyone knows look at the games on N64 and look at gamecube. One RE title does not make them a adult system all of a sudden.

Everyone calls nintendo kiddy for a reason. Nothing is wrong with aiming for kids. So stop arguing something that we all know is true.

  Well if its a well-known fact wouldnt be easy to find on the net? Why would the owner of Nintendo feel disrespected when people call nintendo kiddie? RE isnt the only Adult game coming to GC. Eternal darkness, Metroid, Zelda(which im sorta ashamed of...) ect. so a few pokemon titles make a system kiddie? Just because it was a very popuar game? It seams everyone says nintendo says that its kiddie but yet.....no-one can find any solid proof. Get some "facts" some solid "facts" and ill belive you.\\

You know what now that I think of it what kiddie games where there for N64 other than Pokemon? Although I wasnt a fan of nintendo when it was 64 but pokemon was the only kiddie game that i heard of....