worst president ever

My take on Communism: I think it is a pretty good idea.  I\'d love to see it tried sometime.  Russia, China, Cuba, etc...not communist.  Not by what Communism originally was.

And luckee, there is no chance that most of the people would fight with Germany if conquered.  It wasn\'t just a question of territory.  They were completely different groups of people with different languages and customs, which just happened to not particularly like eachother.

I think that the problem, honestly, isn\'t that no one could lead a nation like that without being corrupted.  It is that the people who could aren\'t the type of people who would ever end up in that position.

Well, anyway, you want a real governmental system, try Socialism

Originally posted by SonyFan


First off, our Titan missles were strictly for the defense of Turkey in case they were invaded. They were short range and posed no thread to Moscow or 90% of Russia.

Yes, but they still possessed a threat to the Russians. You would never tolerate such missiles being placed by your boarders, why should they?

If the Russians would have been attacked by you (we know now that this would not happen. But did the Russians know that then?), they needed a place from where they could launch nukes on your army bases or missilesilos (or cities). Cuba was the only location where they could have a permanent base which could strike quickly.

The missles that the Russians were sneaking into Cuba were inter-mediate range missles capable of striking as far north as Seattle Washington.

Yes I know.

Secondly, if the Russians opposed our missle emplacements they should have gone through diplomatic channels to get them removed.. like the Kennedys did to get rid of the missles in Cuba.

Yes, but you know how the Russians are
And I agree that they should have taken the diplomatic route.. But would the Americans have listened? Would Turkey feel betrayed? Maybe the Russian nukes in Cuba was a way of getting the American attention (and the worlds attention aswell)?

Sneaking first strike capable missles into Cuba was a very ~VERY~ bad idea which almost triggered a nuclear war. The Russians knew we were putting missles into Turkey when we did it. When they put their missles into Cuba, they did it secretly an lied to the Leauge of American States directly by saying that they had shipped no offensive weapons into Cuba.

Like I said before.. It was a bad idea and thank god JFK did not listen to his trigger happy generals.
Because if the Americans would have tried to invade Cuba they would have launched short distance nukes on the battleships.. and then a nuclear holocaust would have erupted.

We need to see this from the American perspective and the Russian perspective.

The big thing that got the missles out of Cuba, was our promise to never invade Cuba or aid others in that venture. Which is why, today, Castro is still in power and Cuba is still Communist. [/B]

And Castro is still going strong, despite CIAs assassination attempts (I heard he had to quite smoking the cigars though)

Originally posted by shockwaves

And luckee, there is no chance that most of the people would fight with Germany if conquered.  It wasn\'t just a question of territory.  They were completely different groups of people with different languages and customs, which just happened to not particularly like eachother.

 

Are you kidding? Basically what they would do is pretty simple.

"you fight with us"?

"NO"
BANG

Then every other person who values their life will be more than willing to do their part in any way, shape, or form.

Originally posted by Ace


We started nothing. There were two building that were leveled and 2800 plus people died just because they went to work.

We take out Saddam and that region will thank us.

Ace

First 9/11 has NO PROVEN link to the IRAQ

Second the America GOVERMENT Can NOT USE this as a an Excuss or REASON to START even more Conflicts

and third on the region thanking you .....SURE they will :rolleyes:


just like you Stabilised Afghanistan and won over its people :rolleyes:


Oh what why don\'t we drop food packages near carpet bomming zones...and hey why don\'t we make the packages the same shape and colour as Cluster bomblets

more people were killed by this mistake than were saved by the aid drops

and


War on Iraq ?
lets face it this plan is madness

George W "the Village IDIOT" bush ......"Gee lets get rid of one murdering “government” group and replace them with another.......... Awooooo heck lets just start war i want to see what these new weapons do"


Big mistake !


i man i don\'t know what the American Media is Feeding you BUT

All of the Arab Nations are Against it
Most of Europe is against it

Even the Yanks "LAP DOG" i.e. My (British) goverment is against it

Desert Storm 2 ?....more like Vietnam Mark 2


Because something tells me that you will be going it alone in this Suicide mission.

Originally posted by luckee


Are you kidding? Basically what they would do is pretty simple.

"you fight with us"?

"NO"
BANG

Then every other person who values their life will be more than willing to do their part in any way, shape, or form.

yeah that would work :rolleyes:

i mean its onlt the entire Arab World thats Against it.

And now most of Europe.

LMAO

It would be quicker for YOUR Goverment just to Declare War on the "REST of the World"

Originally posted by ooseven
yeah that would work :rolleyes:

i mean its onlt the entire Arab World thats Against it.

And now most of Europe.

LMAO

It would be quicker for YOUR Goverment just to Declare War on the "REST of the World"

Ok slick..go back and re-read..you will see what I was talking about. I will even clue you in..it wasnt the arabs...

Erm, actually ooseven.. most of us are against going to war with Iraq. Most of the people here are jus being isolationists and want to bury their heads in the sand until some hostile -MAKES- us take it out. I definately think Saddam needs to be ousted, but going to war with him without provocation is wrong. It\'ll be the first time in history that the US started a war without provocation.. and really.. it makes us no better than the Nazi\'s, Communists, or Imperialists in that respect.

We need a smoking gun.. but developing weapons of mass destruction isn\'t enough, because dozens of smaller countries around the globe are already waist deep in super weapons.. and the US/UN dosen\'t seem to mind one bit. That\'s not a reason to go tearing down on world gov\'ts. Oh.. but Al Queda may be hiding there.. that makes them a threat. Of course.. no more a threat than the hundreds of Al Queda operatives hiding out in Britan, Spain, Germany, Italy, and the good ole USA itself.

Unless we find a direct link between Saddam\'s regime and Al Queda.. or until he attacks one of our allies.. we should be pushing a hardline of inspections and diplomacy. If Saddam f*cks up and dosen\'t fall into line with that.. or worse.. gets taunted into attacking a neighbor.. then we will have every right to invade and oust him.

Oh, and BTW fastson.. the CIA attempts to assassinate Castro don\'t count. You can destroy a gov\'t and replace it with a more hospitable one without invading. It\'s called a Coup.. and has very, VERY little in common with invasions. We were well within our rights to try and kill Castro.. we just couldn\'t send the military in to destory defensive positions, take POW\'s, and occupy land... nor help others do that.

Originally posted by SonyFan

Oh, and BTW fastson.. the CIA attempts to assassinate Castro don\'t count. You can destroy a gov\'t and replace it with a more hospitable one without invading. It\'s called a Coup.. and has very, VERY little in common with invasions. We were well within our rights to try and kill Castro.. we just couldn\'t send the military in to destory defensive positions, take POW\'s, and occupy land... nor help others do that.

Well within our rights? You don\'t see anything wrong with that? Applying similar logic, I can go kill you "off the legal record of course" b/c I dislike you, your ideals, or the way you run your life.

I know Im stretching it abit here, but I think you can see my point.

I dont deny that osama..saddam, and castro are bad people, but as of recent, only one of them has actually given us reason to go after them.

As unfortunate as it is, the right thing to do is to wait untill an attack or significant threat is made. It all goes back to what i said earlier...we know there are a ton of future rapists and murders running around, but they havent done anything as of yet. They aren\'t "attacked"(legal system" untill they have actually done what ppl suspected them of.

First of all, Luckee, you would be surprised, in that situation, how many people would still refuse to fight.  And when you have people refusing in a group, you got the beginnings of something.  They would revolt, no question about it.

ooseven, honestly, I pretty much agree with everything you said.  And as for "what the media is feeding us", believe me, our media here is a joke.  I honestly think it is the worst of any nation I\'ve seen.

And SonyFan, there is no way we are within our rights sending the CIA to kill Castro.  I don\'t even think the trade embargos we have against Cuba are right.

And as for starting this war with Iraq...not only would I bet we\'ll do it without any further provocation, but I\'ll be we strategically do it right at election time.  Now that\'s what the American government is all about :rolleyes:

Originally posted by shockwaves
First of all, Luckee, you would be surprised, in that situation, how many people would still refuse to fight.  And when you have people refusing in a group, you got the beginnings of something.  They would revolt, no question about it

Yes, but there would be an amazing amount of people who would fight b/c they feel they have no choice, dont want to die imediately, or figure they may as well roll with the waves.

And as for starting this war with Iraq...not only would I bet we\'ll do it without any further provocation, but I\'ll be we strategically do it right at election time.  Now that\'s what the American government is all about :rolleyes: [/B]

little bush has had a hard-on for saddam ever since his dad sent the troops over. I\'d also be willing to bet that if anything does happen, it will be done shortly before he starts to campaign for re-election

They would go into the army, but they wouldn\'t fight once there.  There would be mass mutinies.  I mean, it would come down to arming the people you had just been fighting, and then trying to trust them to fight with you against their allies.

Originally posted by shockwaves
They would go into the army, but they wouldn\'t fight once there.  There would be mass mutinies.  I mean, it would come down to arming the people you had just been fighting, and then trying to trust them to fight with you against their allies.

They could also be utilized in other aspects that would require less trust. Plus fear is a big reason..fear would drive alot to fight with those who just tried to kill them. Strange how it works sometimes..but it can.