The Proof! PS3 MAY run at 150GHZ (IBM Source itself!)

For all you technological gúrus and schepticals around....bláhbláhbláh the proof:

http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/news/2002/1104_sige.html

"The transistor, a key component in microchips, uses a modified design and IBM\'s proven silicon germanium (SiGe) bipolar technology to achieve speeds of 350 GigaHertz (GHz). IBM\'s new transistor performs nearly 300 percent faster "

IBM anticipates the new transistor will lead to communications chips with speeds of more than 150 GHz in about two years.

Well, nothing of this proves that PS3 will be runing at such speed, but certainly prooves that 150GHZ (or more) is possible in 5 years!

Its not just Intel and AMD that develop microprocessors you know?  :rolleyes:

But it does say nothing concrete about use in PS3 or
any other console device. They only mention vaguely
usage in several \'communication devices\' like mobile
phones. Also, the name "CELL" is no where to be found
in that article, which is said to be the hart of PS3 isn\'t it ?

Maybe the Cell technology will be influenced by this but
I see no proof in this article, this to be the case even less
so to being it. We\'ll just have to wait n see.

I said "MAY" no proof it IS/WILL run at 150GHZ, but it IS possible acordingly to IBM statements that in 2years (ill go to 3) they will achieve the 150GHZ barrier.

And ill quote my self:

Well, nothing of this proves that PS3 will be runing at such speed, but certainly prooves that 150GHZ (or more) is possible in 5 years!

Also it may not refer to CELL but this article doesn´t refer any microprocessor, it refers to a WAY to produce microprocessors, and now im speculating, CELL MAY (And it should!) be produced with this type of

proven silicon germanium (SiGe) bipolar technology

Im not trying to over hype ps3, but showing bases where i stated on the thread about PS3 being 1000 times more powerfull. Since this doesn´t refer to PS3 it self i posted on a thread apart, then again it may be moved to another section in the forum, but ppl don´t visit them offten.

[Kurt Angle]

Whatever the speed the PS3 is, it will rock.

IMO, the possibility of having a 150 GHz chip in PS3 is next to impossible. With that speed, you\'re facing a various sets of problems:

at 150 GHz, we\'re speaking an ENORMOUS amount of memory that would need to be fed. The thing is, find memory first that will be able to send that amount of data. Also, bare the cost in mind of that "high speed memory". So, unless you want to buy a console with a price tag no one can afford, I really think this won\'t be possible. No doubt, this technology will be used for super computer or clusters for research etc, but not for mass production.

I agree with you Seven, but still have some expectations, DDR2 is coming to the market, its runing @ 1Ghz (heck i think in 3 years it jumped from 133mhz to 1GHZ thats 7.5 times faster in terms of clock speed, then again there´s the latency that also affects the speed of it). surely there will be DDR2 modules that will run around 1.3/5Ghz till next summer, in 5 years, it will propably be much higher than that, also MRAM is coming and is expected to be mass produced around 2005, being really fast, i don´t remember the theoretical specks they could achieve.

We´ll have to wait and see.

true... but picture the price. The embedded RAM in PS2 was already expensive enough to secure the 48 GB/s bandwidth... a processor clocked at 150 GHz would need around 1 TB/s bandwidth. Unless the memory is extremely cheap, I don\'t see it happening. Also, don\'t forget the R&D on the CELL alone... PS3 i already going to be expensive enough! More realisticly, I can picture something in the range of 5 GHz or more.

Ok seven, now i ask you one simple question, answer honestly

Around two years after playstation was launched, if some industry specks and theories came out, and in them it would say that they found a technology that would be capable of pushing 48GBs bandwidth, would you say it could be acomplished at a reasonable price?

in 1995 or even 1997 that would be impossible blahblah, even it would, it would have to be a super computer to hangle with a large amount of bandwidth.

By the way what´s the PSX bandwidth?

WooHoo, the PS3 will be $3000+ dollars!!! I can\'t wait.

I\'ll be happy if it runs at 10 GHZ

Originally posted by d[o_o]b
Ok seven, now i ask you one simple question, answer honestly

in 1995 or even 1997 that would be impossible blahblah, even it would, it would have to be a super computer to hangle with a large amount of bandwidth.

Ok, I get your point, although I will remain sceptical. I mean, it\'s a good thing to look into the future and picture a system coming that none of us can really imagine. What I\'m doing though is trying to stay realistic. It\'s not the technology that I\'m thinking will be the problem to realize that, but the costs to get that kind of performance. Also, one very important aspect is:

the power supply needed to get a chip running at 150 GHz would be too high for consumer products. In other words, the chip would have to be built very small to secure a decent power supply. Accoarding to this article, 150 GHz will be very likely possible in 2 years - but I doubt this will mean it can be massproduced in a way that it\'s competitive against other chips based around that time.

Despite the fact that it may be possible to see chips clocked at this speed, what do you think are the chances will see this in a console that is going to sell at approx. 300 US-D? I\'ve got no problem with hype as long as its realistic, but this IMO is really not likely.

Yes, true, but IBM has that in mind obviously, and acording them, this technique is quite effective on power consumition, it requires less power than conventional silicon microprocessors, so i believe that wont represent a problem, see more info here:

http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/bluelogic/showcase/sige/

This technology is good, if it would require the conventional power compared with silicon devices, it would be viable, thus ibm is planing to direct this technology to all king of portable and non-portable devices.

Here´s some interesting statements:

A revolution in personal communications
Silicon germanium technology is the driving force behind the explosion in low-cost, lightweight, personal communications devices like digital wireless handsets. These devices, which operate at extremely high frequencies, are seeing continuous improvements as a result of SiGe technology. Due to its highly efficient power usage, SiGe extends the life of wireless phone batteries.

SiGe\'s advantages allow these popular communications technologies to be smaller and more durable.

Because it requires less power than conventional silicon chips, SiGe technology will soon make today\'s compact, high-performance consumer electronics even smaller. Thanks to SiGe, future power-packed devices will be more portable and need to be recharged less often. And, because more transistors--the microscopic circuits that enable these intelligent devices--can be packed onto a single chip, tomorrow\'s SiGe-based communications products will offer more of the sophisticated functions consumers demand.

now im to sleepy to carry on, ps3 could be runing at 150ghz or close to it, but imo 10Ghz in 5years is a quite low expectation. In less than 2years aproximatly pc architechture jumped from 1Ghz to 3Ghz at the end of next year it could dam well being around 4.2ghz.

Intel and amd are jumping something like 300mhz each 3/4months, ibm with this new technology can dam well revolutinise the industry with a big jump like back in 1989 when they introcuded the silicon insulator method. The problem today in industry is following patterns, they don´t stop, research, and do big steps, they wanna keep us busy by doing small improvements year by year, doing more profit...well going to bed, im tired, ill be curious to see what will come up in 5 years.

well, I guess it boils down to being speculation if PS3 will have something at this speed or not. Before I go to bed myself though, one thing I wanted to point out:

Intel may be faster again [clock-speed wise] when PS3 launches, but that doesn\'t mean it\'s better. Look at PS2 - when it launched, you were already able to get close to 1 GHz processors at the time, yet the EE is clocked at a modest 300 MHz. Still, one has to see that the chip, despite its low clock speed, has an incredible performance. 300 MHz @ 128 bit is quite remarkable - now imagine 5 GHz at 128 bit and you\'ll get something equal impressive. Who knows, maybe my first estimate is way off, but I strongly believe it won\'t be the "MHz" number that will be so relevant. I\'d be rather argueing over CPU design and what not - I think the clock speed is rather unimportant if you look at a chip and what other factors may be relevant.

Also last point is: MHz alone will not make a good system. The last thing I want Sony to see doing is making a system that is not well balanced. While processors themselves might be heading for a giant leap (like to 150 GHz clock speeds), I don\'t see all the other parts advancing that fast. In other words, Sony/Toshiba will surely be going with a balanced system, so it\'s a given that the CPU must be on par with the other units within the console. Who knows if memory, storage medium, harddrives, etc will be able to cope with that speed...

150 GHz is what will *might* be in 2 years. PS2 is too launch soon after (speculative: march 2005 in Japan). That means, dev kits must be out a few months in advance, so indeed it will be a close one. Also, you need to factor in mass production, costs to produce said chips above, testing etc... So while we don\'t know what technology will be available in 2+ years time, we do know that if the PS3 is to launch then, the system must be finalized a few months in advance to secure the launch date. Factoring in all the above mentioned points and I am even more sceptical we\'ll see a chip with that clock speed. Dunno, maybe 10 GHz or so.. but not 15 times more... :nut:

Originally posted by Gohan
WooHoo, the PS3 will be $3000+ dollars!!! I can\'t wait.

Not much more than what we europeans paid for PS2 in the launching day

[Titan]

Originally posted by Gohan
WooHoo, the PS3 will be $3000+ dollars!!! I can\'t wait.

Ditto. I\'ll buy the Xbox before I pay that much