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The Threat of Terrorism
« on: October 15, 2004, 06:22:37 AM »
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By Charlie Reese and taken from LewRockwell.com
You know, I\'m sure, that the Bush administration has greatly exaggerated the threat of terrorism. Those who employ the tactic of terrorism do so because they are weak. They have no army. They have no great popular following.

Osama bin Laden was a crank living in the mountains of Afghanistan with only a small following in the Islamic world – until George W. Bush elevated him to world celebrity status.

It\'s true that bin Laden knocked down the World Trade Center towers and struck the Pentagon – or at least we\'re pretty sure he was behind those attacks. He was able to do that because his 19 people were lucky and because our immigration screening, our intelligence, the FBI and the airport security system were all sloppy.

To the extent that these attacks roused the federal government from its previous apathy and sloppiness, he did us a favor, though at the terrible cost of about 3,000 lives. But that attack was not justification for a "war on terrorism." A war on bin Laden, yes; a war on terrorism in general, no.

In the first place, there aren\'t that many terrorists in the world. You can check with the State Department\'s annual report on terrorism if you doubt me. In the second place, most of the world\'s terrorists are local guys with local beefs against local folks. All the time the Irish terrorists were bombing and shooting the British, Great Britain never felt the necessity of declaring a worldwide war on terrorism. It went after the Irish terrorists.

When bombs were going off in Paris some years ago, the French didn\'t say everyone must fight terrorism. They went after the guys who were planting the bombs.

It pleases George Bush to call Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorist organizations, but they are not, as far as the United States is concerned. Their target is Israel. The Israelis are right to call them terrorists, but we, as a sovereign country, should never go about adopting other people\'s enemies as our own. Neither Hamas nor Islamic Jihad has ever attacked the United States or expressed any desire to do so. And the same is true of most so-called terrorists in most parts of the world.

Our problem is with bin Laden and his al-Qaida organization. We should have concentrated on that instead of declaring a global jihad against terrorists everywhere in the world.

The problem with doing this is that it commits us to an unending war. It is a war in which there is no way to define victory. When you go to war against a country, when you occupy it and its government surrenders or collapses, you know you have won the war. But terrorists don\'t have a country. They don\'t have a government. They don\'t have an infrastructure.

Terrorists, in fact, operate like criminal gangs. You kill some of their "soldiers," and they recruit more. You kill a gang leader, and another guy takes his place. Israelis, who are far more ruthless than we are, have been killing terrorists for more than 50 years. Have they solved their terrorism problem? No.

The great German philosopher of war Karl von Clausewitz said that war is the pursuit of political objectives by other means. That\'s true of terrorism. All terrorists have political objectives – to get the British out of Northern Ireland, to end the Israeli occupation, to get the French out of Algiers and so on. Since the motivation of terrorists is political, the solution to terrorism is likewise political.

There are some people in this country who will try to convince you that we are in a "war of civilizations." Don\'t buy it. It\'s false. There are specific aspects of our foreign policy that some people, like bin Laden, object to. He has no desire to occupy the United States, nor does he wish to convert the West to Islam.

In the meantime, go about your life and realize that there is a 1 out of 300 million chance that you will get killed by a terrorist. You have much more to fear from the flu and other natural hazards.
I was just wondering what you guys thought about this article. I think it brings up some VERY valid points.
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2004, 06:31:55 AM »
I disagree with his assertion that we are only at war with Al Qaida and Bin Laden.  All of these Islamic terrorist groups have connections with each other.  

We are at war with Islamic Fundamentalism.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad not terrorist organizations?  :rolleyes:

Terrorism is terrorism - regardless of if they have attacked the US or not.  I suppose Charlie Reese doesn\'t consider the Chechnyan\'s who took over that school in Russia to be terrorists either since they haven\'t attacked the US.
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2004, 06:41:31 AM »
Nice article, makes you think.  Though I have to say a war on terrorism is a good idea.  I see terrorism as a growing problem, stuff on this scale didn\'t happen in our parents\' time.  Now people are getting their hands on cheap assault weapons, intimidating others through fear.  That should be put to an end once and for all.

If anything the US\'s reaction to 9/11 in the middle east will have any would-be terrorist thinking twice before bombing a building or hijacking a plane on American soil.  Now if a group of men attempt to hijack a passenger plane, people sitting down will be more than willing to put up a fight rather than letting the hijcakers have their way (2 true stories of this happening post-9/11, here\'s one).

I don\'t think we should write terrorism off as a low or medium priority.  Bombs are getting smaller and deadlier while cities are getting more dense and populated all the time.

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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2004, 06:45:11 AM »
I actually went to the State Department\'s website to look at the annual terrorism reports and here is some of the information I found.



It is interesting to note how places where terrorism was on the downswing have now seen a rise in terror and places where terrorism was on the upswing have now seen a drop in terror.


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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2004, 06:48:26 AM »
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The great German philosopher of war Karl von Clausewitz said that war is the pursuit of political objectives by other means. That\'s true of terrorism. All terrorists have political objectives – to get the British out of Northern Ireland, to end the Israeli occupation, to get the French out of Algiers and so on. Since the motivation of terrorists is political, the solution to terrorism is likewise political.
I am really interested in everyone\'s opinion on this quote. IMO, This is one of the most interesting points brought up in the entire article.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2004, 06:52:36 AM »
mmmm hard to say, many mid-east folk that hate Americans hate our culture more than anything else.  Much of their terrorism is based on religion, saying that Allah wants them to do this or that.  They are just a hateful group and no amount of reasoning will talk them out of it, unfortunately.

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2004, 07:03:33 AM »
Sounds like the catholic church a couple hundred years ago.
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mmmm hard to say, many mid-east folk that hate Americans hate our culture more than anything else.  Much of their terrorism is based on religion, saying that Allah wants them to do this or that.  They are just a hateful group and no amount of reasoning will talk them out of it, unfortunately.

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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2004, 05:21:00 PM »
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I am really interested in everyone\'s opinion on this quote. IMO, This is one of the most interesting points brought up in the entire article.



it just puts everything and everybody into perspective...tho the u.s. are saying that they are fighting the war on terror..it is still political objectives that they pursue in the best interest of the u.s...i agree with the article and have stated all along that our beef is with bin laden not iraq...

i like how he stated that terrorists don\'t have a country, which is true..they stay anywhere and everywhere and blend in with the general population..this is what makes this whole war on terror so complicated..
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2004, 05:54:43 PM »
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I am really interested in everyone\'s opinion on this quote. IMO, This is one of the most interesting points brought up in the entire article.


It\'s crap! We start trying to play politics with these animals they\'ll be using shovels to scrape our remains up from the streets.

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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2004, 06:39:40 PM »
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I\'m getting more worried about Kerry winning by the minute.


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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2004, 09:08:26 AM »
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Sounds like the catholic church a couple hundred years ago.

Good thing we don\'t have to worry about that anymore :)

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