XBOX360 A Dreamcast in Disguise

How in the world do you get the idea he was only talking about America?

Are you on crack, who is he? oh I see, Wow look everyone the little whiner went and changed his name back to clowd.  I don\'t blame you, after all the shame and disgrace you\'ve brought upon the Alliswell name.  Um you forgot to change the avatar to go along with your new identity.

My post clearly had 0 anti-xbox claims. Only simple facts that even you cannot deny.

really hmmm..... you wrote this correct:

Originally posted by Alliswell aka(Clowd)
Xbox 360 sales in Japan will cancel out any launch success it has in America, thus making the path for the PS3 to outsell it very easy.

LOL, LOL this kid is delusional he says Simple facts that I can’t deny; please explain cause you have yet to articulate these so called facts that you posses. Interesting in your whole replay you neglect to defend my argument against your phony facts. I’ll state it again:
" if what you say is indeed true how come the Xbox had a shitty, horrible launch and lifespan in Japan, yet it became very successful in America, and is in the #2 position in the world. ?"


Also We know anything that comes from you is anti-xbox from all your previous post, you have reveled your true motives on numerous occasions, so please spare us the act.

Don\'t you think it\'s odd that you, Rikku and Quddus are the only ones running to the defense of the xbox everytime theres a hint of anti-MS/XBOX? Fanboyism

Not at all, the problem is people like you whom make outrageous, untrue non factual claims need to be put back in place. Unlike you, I never make statements like the PS3 is superior hardware, Xbox is nothing but a PS1, remember that Alliswell. What do you expect? of course I\'m gonna get on your case or anyone else’s. If you gonna make bullocks statements. Expect criticism. Then when we point out the flaws or lies in your posts, you then turn around spin in into, “oh look at these guys defending the XBOX at every turn”.

Dude you are Weak!

Originally posted by Rikku
What discussion is to be had?

Microsoft said they chose the light color to create a softer image.  Same with the new font.  They\'re going for a bigger market than their current base, and they have concluded from their customer surveys/tests that the off-white color appeals to that wider demographic they\'re aiming for.

I think I managed to explore the entirety of any discussion to be had on the similarities between Dreamcast and Xbox 360.  If you can manage anything else, please, don\'t hold back on my account.

Well, some ppl deny any similarities between the 360 and DC as consumer products. Discussion about such a topic can shed more open and objective light on it.

But let\'s analize this. We all know that MS is aware it has a steady userbase in both USA and Europe. It\'s Japan, where they want Xbox biz to do better.

So, MS designers and marketing specialists researched what Japanese gamers like without detering western appeal. So, they came up with kind of Apple off white plus accent colour style which DC also had. This is becuz the Japanese like that and it\'s a better strategic choice to differentiate from the design styles from Sony and Nintendo.

The other similarity is that Japanese developers like the Xbox360 devkit alot already. The Japanese devs liked DC alot too.

Apart from the USA and Japan, the rest of the world will probably see PS3 and Revolution a whole lot later than Xbox360 so, for alot of ppl there is indeed quite a gap between Xbox360\'s launch and the other consoles. Similair situation like DC - PS2.

So, from all this i conclude that the odds of Xbox360 winning popularity in Japan are higher.

Originally posted by Knotter8
Well, some ppl deny any similarities between the 360 and DC as consumer products. Discussion about such a topic can shed more open and objective light on it.

But let\'s analize this. We all know that MS is aware it has a steady userbase in both USA and Europe. It\'s Japan, where they want Xbox biz to do better.

So, MS designers and marketing specialists researched what Japanese gamers like without detering western appeal. So, they came up with kind of Apple off white plus accent colour style which DC also had. This is becuz the Japanese like that and it\'s a better strategic choice to differentiate from the design styles from Sony and Nintendo.

The other similarity is that Japanese developers like the Xbox360 devkit alot already. The Japanese devs liked DC alot too.

Apart from the USA and Japan, the rest of the world will probably see PS3 and Revolution a whole lot later than Xbox360 so, for alot of ppl there is indeed quite a gap between Xbox360\'s launch and the other consoles. Similair situation like DC - PS2.

So, from all this i conclude that the odds of Xbox360 winning popularity in Japan are higher.

First of all I think you\'re forgetting that the Nintendo, Super Nintendo, and Playstation had a non-black color.  Each of those consoles enjoyed success.  They (including Apple) didn\'t come up with the colors, they just utilized them.  

Same can be said about the developers liking Xbox 360 as they did with the DC.  It\'s a good thing that they like the 360, but you can\'t make any conclusions based on that at the moment.  There\'s no discussion to be had except that the more developer support the 360 has the more it has a chance of appealing to a wider demographic.  The Dreamcast did not enjoy as much third party support as Xbox has or how much the Xbox 360 has already garnered.  In fact, if you want to draw any comparisons to past consoles then you should be looking at the Playstation.  The types of games and kind of developer support the 360 has for its beginnings are very similar to Sony\'s start.  EVERY developer is on board in some fashion.

The Xbox 360 isn\'t anything like the DC\'s launch schedule.  Out in Japan in November of 1998, the U.S. a year later in November of 1999, and then in Europe some time later (sorry, I don\'t know the date).  The 360 will be out in all three major markets within two months.  Likeness to the DC?  I don\'t see it.  Then you try to compare the vastly different time schedules of DC -> PS2 (18 months) to that of Xbox 360 -> Playstation 3 (4-5 months, maybe).

As I said before, and I believe you hinted at, the Xbox 360 and Dreamcast likeness are entirely superficial.  I still can\'t find the grounds on which you compare them and hope to create some sort of substantial debate to hint at the possible outcome of a console yet to be released.

Well, either way, I\'m not the kind of person to forecast any "this is the truth" prediction about which console will be most succesfull in the full timespan of next gen.

Originally posted by Knotter8
Well, either way, I\'m not the kind of person to forecast any "this is the truth" prediction about which console will be most succesfull in the full timespan of next gen.

When did we start on the subject of which console will be most successful?

Originally posted by Rikku
I still can\'t find the grounds on which you compare them and hope to create some sort of substantial debate to hint at the possible outcome of a console yet to be released.

I got the impression you thought i was doing that. Correct me if i\'m wrong on that one.

Originally posted by Knotter8
I got the impression you thought i was doing that. Correct me if i\'m wrong on that one.

When someone says that the Xbox 360 is a Dreamcast in disguise then I naturally assume that any arguement/debate to be had is that of Microsoft\'s decisions could lead to the same fate as Sega\'s final console.  I\'m arguing that Microsoft and Sega have nothing in common, and that the Xbox 360 faces none of the challenges that the Dreamcast did.  

I have no idea how well any of the upcoming consoles will do, but I expect we\'ll all be seeing Playstation 4, Xbox 3(?), and a sixth console from Nintendo.  I can\'t even begin to wrap my head around the idea that the Xbox 360 will fail.  There\'s no evidence to support the thought.  The Xbox brand has gained popularity among consumers and developers.  They\'ve all commited to Xbox 360, and with some big name titles.  Microsoft seems to have learned from their mistakes on their first venture and seem eager to prove they\'ve made a better product because of it.  Their business model is very aggressive and impressive if I may say so.  XNA, Xbox Live, Xbox Marketplace, and having an almost simultaneous worldwide launch.    

I had not thought about which console will enjoy the most success.  I couldn\'t care less which one sells the most as the sales numbers don\'t make a game more fun to play.  I\'ve only been arguing that there\'s no evidence or early signs to support the theory that Xbox 360 could be, or is, another Dreamcast.

[Living-In-Clip]

People expecting a repeat of the American / Japanese launch of the Xbox are in for a surprise. While MS may not yet have the fanbase that Sony has, they still have a large and growing fanbase that was established with this generation. The Xbox360 should do a moderate Japanese launch and a succesful American launch. Still, the PS3 will overshadow the Xbox360 if for no other reason, ...........hype.

Analyst are predicting Xbox 360 to take a huge chunk of the market from sony. And I think the way things are going it will happen.  MS seems to have their head on str8 with the launch of the xbox 360. And I rarely play games online. I think I only did it a couple of times. But with this free xbox live thing and the gold passes I am really thinking of playing games online now.

If MS offers great games and services xbox 360 will have much success this generation.

Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Are you on crack, who is he? oh I see, Wow look everyone the little whiner went and changed his name back to clowd.  I don\'t blame you, after all the shame and disgrace you\'ve brought upon the Alliswell name.  Um you forgot to change the avatar to go along with your new identity.



really hmmm..... you wrote this correct:

Originally posted by Alliswell aka(Clowd)
Xbox 360 sales in Japan will cancel out any launch success it has in America, thus making the path for the PS3 to outsell it very easy.

LOL, LOL this kid is delusional he says Simple facts that I can’t deny; please explain cause you have yet to articulate these so called facts that you posses. Interesting in your whole replay you neglect to defend my argument against your phony facts. I’ll state it again:
" if what you say is indeed true how come the Xbox had a shitty, horrible launch and lifespan in Japan, yet it became very successful in America, and is in the #2 position in the world. ?"


Also We know anything that comes from you is anti-xbox from all your previous post, you have reveled your true motives on numerous occasions, so please spare us the act.



Not at all, the problem is people like you whom make outrageous, untrue non factual claims need to be put back in place. Unlike you, I never make statements like the PS3 is superior hardware, Xbox is nothing but a PS1, remember that Alliswell. What do you expect? of course I\'m gonna get on your case or anyone else’s. If you gonna make bullocks statements. Expect criticism. Then when we point out the flaws or lies in your posts, you then turn around spin in into, “oh look at these guys defending the XBOX at every turn”.

Dude you are Weak!

I\'ll just sit here and let you chew me out like I\'m some kid

Then why bother to even come to console discussion if you can\'t stand on your own two feet.

Of course your going to sit there quite, you really have no other choice seeing how I have once again caught you in the act of mindless fanboy drool. You have yet to defend any of your points; then again most of them are based of false hopes driven by blindness devotion for the Sony camp. Just thought I would let you know, you have played right into Sony\'s marketing hand. SONY nor M$ would never give back to you the same loyal devotion that you have portrayed. Quite being pimp for the strong arm.

CLOWD = ALLISWELL

Originally posted by mm
if it launches with a dvd drive and a hd-dvd drive "down the road", it\'s gonna tank

It\'s gonna tank

For Future refrence

By ooseven 8th of August 2005 at 01:43 PM GMT

Ok just to get things straight:

Xbox:

"Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin."

Xbox 360:

"It\'s gonna tank."

Just making sure I have all the official quotes straight as we shift to the next generation.  Wonder what will be said for Xbox 3.  Place your bets now.
:ohnoes:

I\'ll throw my prediction in. Xbox 360 sucks it up in Japan and takes its lead over PS3 to sell so many units and gain so much momentum that it will take Sony at least 2 years to catch up, if they even do.

If I\'m a Japanese gamer, I must look at Xbox the way we looked at Jaguar or 3DO. Why am I going to buy Jaguar 2? Even if it\'s worthwhile, the namebrand is worthless and I probably won\'t even give the console a serious look.

I dunno, we\'ll see.

-Dan

yes, make sure you remember that

if it comes with a dvd-rom, i refuse to buy it like the rest of the tech-hungry suckers

oh, and ps3 will outsell xbox 2
don\'t kid yourselves guys, honestly