Luigi\'s Mansion will have more depth

Originally posted by SonyFan
or god forbid like in Sam & Max..

You say this like Sam and Max was a bad game?

One of my favorite PC games; but then again pretty much anything Lucasarts made around that time was a great game, IMO.

It has nothing to do w/ glorifying Nintendo. You speak in nothing but double standards. The fact that you would comment on gameplay that you have not even come close to experiencing yet say the J+D is some masterpeice, without playi9ng it, is utterly ridiculous and negates pretty much anything you have to say about the argument. I for one am not looking forward to Luigi\'s Mansion AT ALL but I am not going to make a dumb statement about its "lame" gameplay when I haven\'t even SEEN a GCN controller in person let alone touched one.

Agreed.  Someone get Altered Feast in here to say so.

Originally posted by Gohan

It has nothing to do w/ glorifying Nintendo. You speak in nothing but double standards. The fact that you would comment on gameplay that you have not even come close to experiencing yet say the J+D is some masterpeice, without playi9ng it, is utterly ridiculous and negates pretty much anything you have to say about the argument. I for one am not looking forward to Luigi\'s Mansion AT ALL but I am not going to make a dumb statement about its "lame" gameplay when I haven\'t even SEEN a GCN controller in person let alone touched one.

Once again  since your  obviouly having a problem with your reading abilities.

I have continually said  that I have come to this conclusion based on E3 info and previews on the web.

I strongly suggest you learn to actually read and decipher what people post before you go off on this tired rant about double standards

My opinion stands 200%

based on E3 info and previews of both Luigi\'s mansion and Jak Daxter

J+D is  by far the more exciting ambitous project

to me the only thing Luigi\'s Mansion is  and again BASED OFF E3 INFO (please re-read that line 100 times so I don\'t have to read another rediculous double standard rant) is pretty, the gameplay shown and previewed  does zero to get me excited

The King of Standards has spoken

Yes the king of standards has spoken, notice how you forgot to add double in there, oh thats right you didn\'t cause it wouldn\'t be true, if so please provide me with links from all the threads I have posted to illusrate this.

Also Ddaryl was not targeting you in that quote, that\'s why i said In GENERAL, meaning double standards on these forums is Nothing NEW.  In other words my post had nothing to do with you.

Peace out!

"You say this like Sam and Max was a bad game?" - Gohan

Sorry \'bout the interpretation. What I meant by that comment was positive. You could replace "Sam & Max" with just about any adventure or puzzle game like "Martian Memorandum", "Police Quest", or "Les Manly". All I\'m saying is that lateral thinking in puzzle games has gone WAYYYY down in the last few years and is only begining to rise a bit more now with games like MI4, Shadow of Memories, and The Longest Journey.

So really, I\'m complimenting the game while generally downgrading developers who find it more profitable to chuck out action game after action game and adding extreemly weak elements of other genre\'s (puzzles for example) in order to appeal to a wider market, without any thought to the actual fans of those genre\'s they\'re bastardizing.

Theres no real way you can call Ddaryl to task when it comes to making biased double standard type statements.
I know of a member that left the forum, because Ddaryl is to open about other consoles.
And as for gameplay.
I can see where he is coming from.
From the info released about Luigi\'s mansion ALL you do is run around and suck ghosts up in a vacuum. It doesnt seem to complex.
The point he is trying to make is that, RIGHT NOW it seems like Jak and Dakster is going to be a little more than your typical platformer.

Originally posted by Faithdies
From the info released about Luigi\'s mansion ALL you do is run around and suck ghosts up in a vacuum. It doesnt seem to complex.
The point he is trying to make is that, RIGHT NOW it seems like Jak and Dakster is going to be a little more than your typical platformer.

Not entirely true.  We do know water comes into play, we have heard how little we were shown at E3, and we know that more skills become involved, so we do know that it will be more complex.  But without seeing each interview, etc, it\'s easy to miss most of that.  As for E3, yes, they basically showed off Luigi as a tech-demo and we\'ll find more about it as the game progresses, surely.

Your second statement is right on, though, Jak and Daxter aims at being closer to a "typical platformer" and it will likewise attain that status.  Luigi\'s Mansion looks to go in a different direction, but it seems unfair to say that as J&D should be unique, as well.

-Eik

Originally posted by ddaryl
based on E3 info and previews of both Luigi\'s mansion and Jak Daxter

J+D is  by far the more exciting ambitous project

Ok then, please tell me what is SOOO exciing and ambitious about J+D? I read the preview that NextGen had on it and the ONLY thing that they continuosly brought up was how similar it was to Crash Bandicoot in terms of gameplay. Maybe I missed something in another interview or something. Is it the draw distance that is so ambitious? the graphics? Please tell me what is so ambitious about this damn thing.

Originally posted by Gohan

Ok then, please tell me what is SOOO exciing and ambitious about J+D? I read the preview that NextGen had on it and the ONLY thing that they continuosly brought up was how similar it was to Crash Bandicoot in terms of gameplay. Maybe I missed something in another interview or something. Is it the draw distance that is so ambitious? the graphics? Please tell me what is so ambitious about this damn thing.

Its the world Gohan, no videogame is doing what Jak and Daxter is doing in scope on a any console.

A full night to day cycle all realtime with lighting, shadows and villages that respond to night or day.

A fully animated polygonal world, with creatures and machinery working and running in the forefront and distance that can be traveled to and interacted with

0 load times between island or levels

Advanced enemy AI

and a meld of Platformer and action adventure gameplay with a taste of RPG. This is what was described as J+D\'s gameplay in that Next Gen article if you really did read it. The reference to Crash Bandicoot came from a familiar control scheme and a few  moves the Jak performs like a jump, spin and a dash attack. Jak however can link differnt attacks together for several different combo type moves.  


Basically the game is huge in scope and one has to understand the amount of technoligy needed to make such a world work especially on consoles with limited memory.  Naughty Dog ha simpressed me quite a it with J+D

So name me another game on a system that succesfully does all this, and runs at a highly detailed 10 million polygons per second.

I\'m not sayin g another console won\'t out do J+D in the future, but at this time I can\'t think on one, and that doesn\'t mean there aren\'t some very impressive games on all systems cause there are

As for Luigi\'s Mansion we know he sucks ghosts with a vacuum cleaner we know he can spray water, we know he can solve puzzles and increase the power of his vacuum cleaner attacks. We know the game looks very pretty.

I think Kameo is more impressive then Luigi\'s mansion, and I know less about Kameo then Luigi

but I\'m still 100 + times more intrigued  more impressed and more interested in J+D based on  all the info I have to work with and I feel I have every right to speak my mind, and I stand by every last word I have said more now then I did when we started this inability of you to allow someone else to post a hypothesis on 2 games.

Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing


Yes the king of standards has spoken, notice how you forgot to add double in there, oh thats right you didn\'t cause it wouldn\'t be true, if so please provide me with links from all the threads I have posted to illusrate this.

Also Ddaryl was not targeting you in that quote, that\'s why i said In GENERAL, meaning double standards on these forums is Nothing NEW.  In other words my post had nothing to do with you.

Peace out!

well do I really need to point out your signature. Kind of a double standard since I can find you a dozen PS2 games with high polygonal models and little if any jaggies

Originally posted by ddaryl
I feel I have every right to speak my mind, and I stand by every last word I have said more now then I did when we started this inability of you to allow someone else to post a hypothesis on 2 games.

I was merely stating the FACT that you can not comment on a game\'s gameplay without ever actually playing the game. No preview/review/interview can compensate for actually playing a game. I will repeat myself again THAT IS A FACT. Nothing you say can change that.

Knowing that, this discussion should have been over a long time ago; but that is not possible because every response is wrapped up with one of your "witty" quips that just manage to show your inability to carry a decent discussion without throwing in personal attacks.

BTW, Does anyone see the hypocrisy in this post?

Gohan

I posted an opinion in which you told me I could not have one based on the information I gathered

Which irritates the hell out of me cause I simply wanted to post my opinion about what I believe and maybe debate why I feel that way

Instead you  continually attacked me an my formed opinion simply because you have the inability of being able to make opinions of your own. Or maybe your opinion is you cannot make opinions based on games without playing them.

I CAN FORM AN OPINION ABOUT GAMEPLAY THROUGH PREVIEWS MOVIES  AND INTERVIEWS very very very easily, I do on every single game that I have ever come across that interests me over the last year based on numerous websites and magazines. To be honest I\'ve found that comparing 4-10 preivews and or reviews about a game portrays an extremly accurate description of these games in which anyone can form opinions

I don\'t see the hypocrisy at all, and obviously your not reading my posts where I have described why I formed my opinion. All you do is  TELL ME  that I cannot have these opinions based on the elements I have utilized. and you say that over and over again which is simply aggravating, cuase anyone can. Forming an educated opinion about things we view and read about is part of everyday life

Now maybe I\'m wrong but when someone decides to be continuously aggravating isn\'t that a sign of a lack in ability to carry a decent conversation.

that kinda makes you out to be the hypocritical one here don\'t you think

I CAN FORM AN OPINION ABOUT GAMEPLAY THROUGH PREVIEWS MOVIES AND INTERVIEWS very very very easily

I\'ve only read positive impressions for this game. You must dislike it for another reason then.