I can\'t see the point in graphical comparing. Why do you care?

Hell, consoles are made to entertain us, to waste our time, to be an effort to the hard-earned money we spend to them.

Still I see threads clamining \'Console X can\'t top game X in Console X in graphics!\'.

Are graphics everything? PS2, GC and X-BOX are still very similar in graphical power - they are all 128 bit -based consoles, and so don\'t have very much differences. Of course there is noticeable differences, but are the differences so big that you should care about them?

Isn\'t the core of the game, the plot, the gameplay the most important thing?

I don\'t want to see a single topic anymore claiming that a console is better than other just because it can push graphics just a little bit further.

GT3 is enough for me, thank you! No need for better graphics, yet it seems to be the only goal of many game developers and wish of almost every fanboy.

[ end of rant ]

Originally posted by Darth Joyda
Isn\'t the core of the game, the plot, the gameplay the most important thing?

No.

Heh, kidding.  Just playing devil\'s advocate.

I agree and I thought on the way home today that it\'d be cool to see a generation of systems reach the point (soon) where the room for upgrade is minimal, cancelling the idea of another generation of consoles.  Then focus, much like the NES or even PSX, with pumping it full of titles.  They would only get better and better.

Maybe one day.

-Eik

Take it easy Darth. The fanboys are everywhere these days (Falgarok )

i agree yet disagree because while gameplay and fun factor is the most important factor in a game,  you cannot forget this thing called ART....and artists,  like myself,  only want to get better,  and while we strife for better concepts and themes,  we have a hunger for better quality art work...if graphics werent important in games,  then game companies could fire their artists and to hell with everything...just have the developers sketch out some cheap stick figure characters and just focus on gameplay...imagine playing vf4 or DOA3 or any streetfighter with cheap ass stick figure characters....imagine playing castlevania or metal gear or devil may cry and all the cahracters looked like they were drawn by a preschooler and the environments and backgrounds were plain with only 1 solid color per wall?...

graphics play an important role visually and while aesthetic beauty lies in the eye of the beholder,  you have to admit that a game with good graphics and good gameplay when compared to a crappy ass looking game with the SAME gameplay,  will always come out winning.

I own a video production company and most of the work that falls on my desk in the company is in the area of graphics. I am always looking out to improve the look of my 3D work.  The artists that work on these games will always want to improve the look of their work.

lestat hits the nail on the head. How many of you would be disapointed if MGS2 looked like garbage?

Are graphics everything?

No, but it\'s the first thing you see when you pop a game in your machine.

Ace

Without graphics I see no reason to play any game.

Originally posted by QuDDus
Without graphics I see no reason to play any game.

Are you a Graphic Whore then?, because when you posted that, you sounded like one.  btw, dude, do you have icq, because Ethugg wanted to talk to you. Not a flame aimed at you.  Graphics make a game-yeah right, GAMEPLAY makes a game.

Originally posted by DaRkGaMeR




Are you a Graphic Whore then?, because when you posted that, you sounded like one.  btw, dude, do you have icq, because Ethugg wanted to talk to you. Not a flame aimed at you.  Graphics make a game-yeah right, GAMEPLAY makes a game.

LOL A Graphic whore. What will my family think:eek: Naw dood I don\'t got ICQ whats been up with old ethugg?

Originally posted by QuDDus
Without graphics I see no reason to play any game.

Why am I not suprised

I love eye candy. Its one of the A\'s in AAA


A game that looks great attracts me more then a game that looks crappy

Gameplay can an usually wins out but again a AAA game has it all, and a machine that can pump out the best graphics easier has one of those A\'s a little easier.

The point of talking about graphics is this:

ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, the system with better graphics has a better game.

Of couse, for all other things to be equal, you would need the exact same game, chars, story, control, etc.  The one with nicer graphics would be better in that case.  However, to say that ANY system is better because of hardware is foolish, because it\'ll always come down to titles.  There is some $hit out there for ALL the consoles, and to date, there is some gold level stuff too.  

Graphics don\'t make a game, but they sure do help it\'s rating, playability, and fun if it\'s otherwise a good game.

Of course graphics add to the atmosphere, but I hate to see the concept of better graphics / worse gameplay and old ideas repeat after a repeat.

If graphics would reach a certain limit, the developers would have to concentrate more on the characters, psychics, storyline, gameplay, new ideas etc. etc. And artists would have free hands to make creative landscapes, without fearing to fall short in graphics.

Watch GT3. The cars - the cars are ultra-real. They\'re so close to looking like the real-life counterparts, that it would be almost impossible to separate them if the backgrounds, road, audience etc. wouldn\'t be spriteyish and cartoonish. If we continue on with this pace, we need to buy new consoles every third year, or upgrade our computers every year - just to be able to play the latest, in graphics, games.

I still enjoy such games as Lemmings and Doom, wich are graphically out-dated ( a long time ago, too ) - and I still think they are shining gems of the whole gaming history. They beat many newer, beautiful looking games by their pure simple gameplay and great level-designs. Or then perhaps you need to be a masochist like me to enjoy them, don\'t know

But the thing is, new graphics don\'t amaze me anymore like they used to. I have so gotten used to seeing better and better all the time, that I don\'t care if graphics halt in evolving.
//Darth Joyda

Originally posted by QuDDus


LOL A Graphic whore. What will my family think:eek: Naw dood I don\'t got ICQ whats been up with old ethugg?

Nothing, haha, but still gameplay makes a game:)

get MSN or whatever then, I\'d like to talk to ya sometime. as well as others