Reading that thread has more than anything else made me feel like the biggest, low IQ having, moron on earth. That whoosh you kept hearing was things FLYING over my head! LOL! Seems as though the PS2 has alot of unknown abilities that have\'nt been tapped into yet. I\'d like to know what its really capable of though, is it just going to keep getting better and better and are we going to see games on it a year from now that exceed anything we thought possible? Or has it hit a ceiling graphics-wise with games such as MGS2 and GT3? The quote in there saying that GT3 only uses 25% of the PS2\'s capabilities really caught my eye. Only thing is, I hear this point of view but then I hear other developers such as ID(makers of Doom, Quake) say that while they could make the new Doom on X-Box, they could\'nt make it on PS2. Even the developers of Devil May Cry stated in NG magazine said they had to tone down the detail to keep the framerate solid and wished they had more power to work with. *In state of confusion over what the hell the real story is*