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« on: October 25, 2001, 12:15:10 PM »
We know little of the life of early mankind, but we are reasonably sure that some lived to be 500 and up to 900 years of age.

Many young men will laugh at this advice and warning now, but when older will mourn and regret their early indiscretions.

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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2001, 08:04:37 PM »
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We know little of the life of early mankind, but we are reasonably sure that some lived to be 500 and up to 900 years of age.


This is supported by, if you believe in this stuff, the bible, in which it tells of the patriarchs living this long.

Adam lived some 800 years, and Methuselah lived over 970.

The only one that didn\'t live that long was Enoch, who lived to the ripe-old age of 350 or so, and didn\'t actually die, but was lifted up into heaven, because God was pleased with him.

Go figure!  :D
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2001, 09:53:27 AM »
I\'m not so sure about this but I think back when the bible was written, the calender system was different than the one today. When they say 900 years, they mean something like 80 or something like that. I\'m not 100% sure if that\'s true or not. Something one of my teachers told me a while back.
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2001, 10:35:36 AM »
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I\'m not so sure about this but I think back when the bible was written, the calender system was different than the one today. When they say 900 years, they mean something like 80 or something like that. I\'m not 100% sure if that\'s true or not. Something one of my teachers told me a while back.


Biblical scholars take that as a literal translation. Ie; 900=900.

They believe that the earth was a very, very different place back then.  For instance, the patriarchs lived 900 years, and that the earth never received one drop of rain.  That\'s right, before the great flood, there was not one single drop of rain.  It is widely believed by those who read the bible that the earth had a very different climate, and received its moisture from mist that came from the ground, rather than from the sky.

That\'s why when Noah, who, as the bible states was 600 years old when the floods came, was building the ark, he was ridiculed for saying that water was going to fall from the sky.

I don\'t mean to go off on a religious tirade, but, it is surprising how little even very educated people know about the bible.  This stems from the fact that they just haven\'t read the darned thing.

Did you know that there isn\'t even a contradiction in the bible?  Everyone I know says, "Yeah, but doesn\'t the bible always contradict itself?"  Ummm, no.

Any even slight contradiction is addressed directly and explained fully by da Man Himself, JC.

My suggestion:  Read the bible.  Its long and with sections like Leviticus in it, very, very tedious, but, its the only way to know the whole truth about the book.

Sorry for the religious rant, I\'ll return to my usual surly self.  :D
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2001, 06:43:14 PM »
*cough cough* I hope you aren\'t serious JerginSoft.  The bible is NOT meant to be taken literally.

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Should we kill?
Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."

vs.

Exodus 32:27 "Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, . . . and slay every man his brother, . . . companion, . . . neighbor."
I Samuel 6:19 " . . . and the people lamented because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."
I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. . . . And Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."
Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."
Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."

Should we tell lies?
Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
Proverbs 12:22 "Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord."

vs.

I Kings 22:23 "The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee."
II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."
Also, compare Joshua 2:4-6 with James 2:25.

Should we steal?
Exodus 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal."
Leviticus 19:13 "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, neither rob him."

vs.

Exodus 3:22 "And ye shall spoil the Egyptians."
Exodus 12:35-36 "And they spoiled [plundered, NRSV] the Egyptians."
Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."
I was taught as a child that when you take something without asking for it, that is stealing.


For another 30 contradictions, and explanations of biblical stuff, see: Bible Stuff.  Don\'t worry, if I should post anytime the link to the idiots page, may my bones be ground into dust, and mine eyes plucked from my visage.

PS - I read the Bible in its entirety when I was 18, as I follow no organized religeon, but I still have faith.  At the time, I read most of the religeous books avaiable to me.
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2001, 06:55:57 PM »
too bad the bible is mostly fictitious in the 1st place..a 600 yr old moses...rightttttt :rolleyes: I wont bash ppl for what they believe in..but a christian bible is something I cannot allow myself to believe in.
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2001, 07:35:06 PM »
I believe that the bible is 100% true as long as it is translated correctly.  So a few forms of the bible I don\'t believe in, but I do believe in the King James version with the Joseph Smith Translation.
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2001, 09:51:32 PM »
Fatal, there a few things wrong with your so-called contradictions:  the bible promises punishment for MEN who kill, God metes out punishment as he sees fit, by either killing them himself, or ordering his people to do it.  That is for GOD to decide and carry out.  Not once is there a killing sanctioned by God carried out without his direct order in the Bible.

In the cases of stealing, the entire text of Exodus 3:22 is ignored completely.  God orders his children to ASK every Egyptian to make reperations for slavery they were told they would be free from by the Pharoh of Joseph\'s time.  THAT was how they were to plunder Egypt.  This quote takes THE LAST SENTENCE OF THE ENTIRE VERSE and treats it as the whole one!!  Also, Jesus himself tells the desciples exactly why they should take the colt, the Lord hath need of him.  It was, according to the Bible, to fulfill prophesy.

There are so many things you can take out of context, and print on a website.

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Shall we make graven images?
Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven . . . earth . . . water."
Leviticus 26:1 "Ye shall make ye no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone."
Deuteronomy 27:15 "Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image."
vs.


Exodus 25:18 "And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them."
I Kings 7:15,16,23,25 "For he [Solomon] cast two pillars of brass . . . and two chapiters of molten brass . . . And he made a molten sea . . . it stood upon twelve oxen . . . [and so on]"


First of all, do these people [people who made the website] even know what the cherubims were to be used for?  Not for worshipping as a god, but to crown the the ark of the covenant.  Sure, when you take it out of context in that case, sure looks suspicious, don\'t it?  Also, Solomon constructed his holy temple as a dedication to the Lord, not as an object to worship.

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Are we saved through works?
Ephesians 2:8,9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works."
Romans 3:20,28 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight."
Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ."
vs.


James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
Matthew 19:16-21 "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he [Jesus] said unto him . . . keep the commandments. . . . The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven."


Are these people serious?  The text in James 2:24 was dealing with what James had said earlier in verse 14 when he said, "What use is it, my bretheren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works?  Can that faith save him?"  This is not saying that we are saved by works, but a faith devoid of good works is a dead faith.  Both Paul and James define faith as a living productive trust in Christ.  Genuine faith cannot be "dead" to morality or barren to works.  Meaning, if you are genuine in your faith, you will be doing the works automatically.  He was writing this letter as an illustration of how you will know you are genuine in your faith.

The text in Matthew was Jesus exposing the young man\'s false faith.  The young man wanted to stay rich without giving money to the poor or make a strong contribution to those that could have needed the money.  It wasn\'t Jesus telling him the only way to get into heaven was to give up his money, he was testing his faith by asking him to help others around him.  If you had read further you would read how the young man walks away dejected, because his greed won over true faith.

Every time you read stuff like the stuff that is on that particular website, it is easy to be swayed without further reading and education on what the Bible actually says.  Every single instance on that page can be countered and explained simply by reading further, or reading the text prior to it.

And some of those assertions are just flat out wrong, like the one about how old Ahaziah was when he reigned, both verses in my Bible state that he was 22.

Don\'t just read stuff on the internet and take its word for it.

Maybe you should go back and read your Bible some more and try to actually understand what it says in there.  Don\'t just read it so you can sound smart in an argument.

Again, I\'m not a preacher, or an overly religious guy.  I just can\'t stand it when people think they know the truth about something they know nothing about.

Not saying that you are uneducated Fatal, just too damn cynical to read the Bible for what it is: a tool to teach the faithful how to deal with every single problem their lives may encounter.

It goes without saying that the unfaithful will rebuke and rebuff the word of the Bible.  Like it or lump it, the Bible is free of contradictions, you just have to look at the whole picture, and how many of us are in the mood to be preached at?

Note:  I\'m not saying you have to believe the Bible, or that me believing in it is any more correct than what you believe in, I\'m just trying to dispel some myths concerning the "Good Book".
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2001, 02:55:56 AM »
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Originally posted by JerginsSoft


I don\'t mean to go off on a religious tirade, but, it is surprising how little even very educated people know about the bible.  This stems from the fact that they just haven\'t read the darned thing.
 



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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2001, 03:57:47 AM »
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Fatal, there a few things wrong with your so-called contradictions:  the bible promises punishment for MEN who kill, God metes out punishment as he sees fit, by either killing them himself, or ordering his people to do it.  That is for GOD to decide and carry out.  Not once is there a killing sanctioned by God carried out without his direct order in the Bible.

In the cases of stealing, the entire text of Exodus 3:22 is ignored completely.  God orders his children to ASK every Egyptian to make reperations for slavery they were told they would be free from by the Pharoh of Joseph\'s time.  THAT was how they were to plunder Egypt.  This quote takes THE LAST SENTENCE OF THE ENTIRE VERSE and treats it as the whole one!!  Also, Jesus himself tells the desciples exactly why they should take the colt, the Lord hath need of him.  It was, according to the Bible, to fulfill prophesy.

There are so many things you can take out of context, and print on a website.


Hmmm,
so it is alright for some idiots to do what they want, kill, steal, rape, as long as it is in the name of GOD? hmmm....:sconf:
God orders men to kill???? really? hmmmm.  

COOL, God ordereded me to steal a new SONY WEGA, he told me to tell the cops it\'s ok. ;) :laughing:

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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2001, 04:15:43 AM »
I still believe in most of the bible, not all of it. But I do believe that their calender system was different then the one today. That\'s why the years are alittle messed up.
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2001, 06:44:42 PM »
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God orders men to kill???? really? hmmmm.


yes.  read Samuel about King David and the many wars he fought that were instructed by God.

Jergins- I wish I had your know-how when people ask me these things. :)  I read the Bible and am reading it again but I can still get stumped by questions the heathens throw at me.

(and yea that was a joke, I don\'t call anyone heathens.)

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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2001, 06:52:55 PM »
The reason we don\'t live as long now is because god shorten mans life. We are guaranteed what 72 years according tothe bible.

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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2001, 07:53:32 PM »
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Hmmm,
so it is alright for some idiots to do what they want, kill, steal, rape, as long as it is in the name of GOD? hmmm....


Here again, you are wrong.  They aren\'t doing it in the NAME of God.  God told them directly to do his bidding.  If you believe in what the Bible tells you about God and Jesus, then you take this as the truth.  It wasn\'t one guy telling another, "Hey, y\'know what God told me?  He said we should fly an airplane into the World Trade Center!"  This was GOD HIMSELF telling his chosen people to do his bidding.

If you had actually read what I posted, you would not have made the assertion that it was man\'s interpretation of what he thought the word of God told him, he got it straight from the Big Man Himself.

Again, like I said, the Bible is not a tool for people who don\'t believe in it.  Obviously, the only thing people who don\'t believe what it tells them are interested in is discrediting it.

Most of the time it turns out to be a poor job of it too.

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COOL, God ordereded me to steal a new SONY WEGA, he told me to tell the cops it\'s ok.


Cool, hope they have computers in jail, then you can still post!  :D

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There are a lot of books out there that educated people haven\'t read. I\'ve been meaning to read a few Stephen King novels myself, but you don\'t see me going off about that....


Again, sorry for the ranting, friends!  Just trying to have a lively debate!

And Vid, by your statement, I\'m guessing you are telling yourself that you\'re educated?

This in itself is a whooooole other debate, bro!  :D
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2001, 10:41:53 AM »
Religions themselves are corrupted, mainly by man, I believe in god and jesus christ, but never will I associate myself with a religion, people take the words of the book to serious, all I know is that we all sin and for that we will be fogiven, man is corrupt!!!!

 

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