Japanese Xbox Woes

acually having one console would affect the games quite so

if you had one console that would mean every existing developer would make games for one system

when you have all those extra devs making games and a lot of them would have been spread out on each console - well not all of those games are gonna be hits - very few will be that and also with all that software it would make it hard for the little guys to compete with the big guys as there wouldnt be enough sales coming in with all the games coming out

having more then one console affects the games - for one it drives 1st party devs to show up other 1st party devs on other consoles

an so on - when you have competition - you will tend to set goals above them to out shine them - so its only natural you would get great games with more competition

[Bobs_Hardware]

disagree

while someone like Jasin Rubin like to trash talk against other consoles, you think Jak & Daxter would be any less had PS2 been the only console?  no.. developers are still competing against eachother and the ever evolving PC world..

if anything it may mean better games, as there would be more money in the one console, not to mention the fact that there are so many games on offer you would REALLY need to do something special to be noticed and get a LOT of sales

well that is one possibility

but the main thing i see that would be a problem is that the small devs would never be able to make it - with all the big devs on one system plus the fact that they are competing with each other - the smaller devs would never be able to have enough money to compete - some of the smaller games that people love wouldnt exist and it would keep devs from trying to be creative - as if too creative a lot of money could be lost if the game doesnt catch on

also this doesnt affect games completely but if theres only one console then there would never be a reason for sony to upgrade - they could just keep making money on cheap hardware production - if this were to happen then games would never be able to advance as they could if there were a new system

anyway monopolies are bad i trust we both know this

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by Sublimesjg
but the main thing i see that would be a problem is that the small devs would never be able to make it - with all the big devs on one system plus the fact that they are competing with each other - the smaller devs would never be able to have enough money to compete - some of the smaller games that people love wouldnt exist and it would keep devs from trying to be creative - as if too creative a lot of money could be lost if the game doesnt catch on

it really wouldnt be any different from now.. those small games rarely get popular anyway and the odd ones that are really good will get good press and people willbuy them and word will get around, just like it always has.. things really wouldnt change just because there are more developers on one console.  How many small games do you see right now popping up with 3 (4 including DC) and even hand helds, that are surprising everyone from small developers..?

and who is stopping them from developing it on the PC?

really wouldnt be much difference from now, my friend

Originally posted by Sublimesjg
also this doesnt affect games completely but if theres only one console then there would never be a reason for sony to upgrade - they could just keep making money on cheap hardware production - if this were to happen then games would never be able to advance as they could if there were a new system

that was the point that i made, although consoles will upgrade, the PC industry will evolve beyond consoles, developers will want more, even the fans will want more, it might just mean the cycle for each generation is extended..

the only real problem with a monopoly (therewould be more but this is the biggest) would be the fact that Sony could charge what they want, for what they want.. increase the fees on developers, hike game costs up.  etc. etc.  but even that wouldnt happen too badly, because a) people would turn to PC\'s (i would if consoles were too expensive) and b) another console would challenge only cheaper.. microsoft, sega or nintendo could make a comeback to challenge sony (assuming sony were the ones with the monopoly)

nice posts bobs - exactly my thoughts.

If there was only the ps2, I would not be surprised if the games were higher quality.. developers would not have to worry about porting games or stuff like that from console to console..

Only thing that might change is Features (IE, DVD, BB/HDD) or Power. But the PC should help keep things in check

No offense Chrono, but the "benefits" as you call them from a one system market would not outway the negatives.  As someone stated earlier in this thread, a one console market would mean higher prices - and not a just a few dollars either.  

As for the software development, let us look back to when the Atari 2600 was pretty much alone in the console market.  We got games like ET... need I say more?  Besides competition fuels growth and development.  If IBM had remained the only computer manufacturer I wonder how big a PC today would be?  Or how fast it would run?  

As you can see monopolies tend to be more destructive than beneficial.  I can\'t believe you can\'t see that Chrono.  BTW do you still own a Betamax  :rolleyes:

Sony is on top right now and that is great for all of us who own PS2\'s, but I don\'t want to see the Xbox go out the same way the DC did.

the DC went out with style i feel

i would like to see the xbox go out like the 3DO did

As for the software development, let us look back to when the Atari 2600 was pretty much alone in the console market.

No need to. Times have changed and there are heaps more people who play games (and more developers who program them) today.

well if the PC is anothe alternative to gaming then in a sense its not a monopoly then is it

because if the PC is considered competition then there is something to drive the devs and console maker to make things better

but im talking about monopoly in the sense there is nothing else to compete with - as thats what monopoly is - so there would be no PC to keep the system in check - there would only be the system - and also what would keep devs working hard on games when they could release games that were good but nothing new in graphics or anything else and were just them slacking off and stuff - whats to stop people from buying it anyway as they have no where else to turn

now i know thats pretty extreme and out there but i said it anyway - anyways just saying that i was under the assumption there was no competition from the PC market when i stated my feelings

Maybe I was wrong about one thing...  this board is approaching the same level as the Xbox board.  More systems and more games make for good gaming.  Sorry, but a Sony "only" market wouldn\'t be good for anyone except Sony and maybe a few of you on this board :rolleyes:

stick around giga, you dont know us yet
AND you might learn something

actually giga

thats what everyone has been saying - that competition drives people to make better things

but we are debating that if there was one system if that drive would be affected when it comes to games

i think so and bobbo thinks not

thats all we are debating - we dont support nor want there to be one console