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« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2002, 07:33:05 AM »
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LMAO. and what would it run at on other consoles? LOL


Why speculate? It\'s on Xbox with only 30 fps. You can always speculate about how it would run on another console, but it\'s not really necessary is it? Yeah a launch game.. so what? Is that suppose to be an excuse for a game that was in development for years?

Halo isn\'t all that impressive graphicswise and it certainly did not win an award for game-of-the-year because of its graphics. Get your facts straight. Now, imagine how good this game would look if you had it running at 60 fps. LMAO. At least MGS2 had a constant 60 fps...
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« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2002, 02:36:39 AM »
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Why speculate? It\'s on Xbox with only 30 fps. You can always speculate about how it would run on another console, but it\'s not really necessary is it? Yeah a launch game.. so what? Is that suppose to be an excuse for a game that was in development for years?

Halo isn\'t all that impressive graphicswise and it certainly did not win an award for game-of-the-year because of its graphics. Get your facts straight. Now, imagine how good this game would look if you had it running at 60 fps. LMAO. At least MGS2 had a constant 60 fps...


I don\'t know if you remember Jap PS2 launch games...and the 1st FPS for PS2 :laughing:
...fact is Halo is Game of the year(a launch game) and obviously it\'s not due to graphics only...
...maybe you should wait till Halo2 to deliver a honest judgement...xbox fans excuses? when PS2 fans still say wait till Tekken4,SC2,etc etc,after 2 years and half from launch? (at least Halo is a launch game developed on unfinished hardware...but it\'s an excuse if it\'s a XBox game...right?)

MGS2 has a constant 60 fps...but...if I remember correctly...it was released 1 year and half after launch...LMAO...it\'s not the same thing!  and if I look at graphics in MGS2...I really can\'t understand why people are excited...cut scenes apart,the graphics,animations are nothing special for me and game-play,AI...very simple...
...some weeks ago you said that playing MGS2 was like playing a movie...well...I played it...and I can\'t understand what you were speaking about...only cut scenes look like a "PSX CG intro"...the in game graphics are not spectacular(I\'m speaking of animations and "effects")

but back to the main debate here...I still remember Hideo saying that processing power on DC,PS2 and GCN are almost the same under his vision(his idea,concept of a game),his point of view...and everyone here knows it\'s not true from a technical point of view!
I don\'t know if I\'ll manage to find the link...
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« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2002, 03:05:34 AM »
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and if I look at graphics in MGS2...I really can\'t understand why people are excited...cut scenes apart,the graphics,animations are nothing special for me and game-play,AI...very simple...


You do know that the cut scenes are in REALTIME using the INGAME models right? Just different camera angles..

Yeah you can check it by zooming in and moving the camera while the cutscenes are running..

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« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2002, 03:13:36 AM »
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You do know that the cut scenes are in REALTIME using the INGAME models right? Just different camera angles..

Yeah you can check it by zooming in and moving the camera while the cutscenes are running..



I know...but the fact that cut-scenes use the game-engine does not mean that the "in game" graphics use the same effects and animations shown in the cut...


Don\'t get me wrong...I enjoyed this game...I\'m simply "complaining" about seven\'s comments:"playing MGS2 is like playing a movie" -  from my point of view obvioulsy(my opinion).
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« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2002, 03:16:41 AM »
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I know...but the fact that cut-scenes use the game-engine does not mean that the "in game" graphics use the same effects and animations shown in the cut...


Its ingame, ingame.. PS2 is sitting there and drawing everything we see in REAL TIME.. no fake FMVs...

Very impressive..
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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2002, 03:25:08 AM »
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Its ingame, ingame.. PS2 is sitting there and drawing everything we see in REAL TIME.. no fake FMVs...

Very impressive..



well...I don\'t like very much fake FMVs too...I\'m with you on this:)
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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2002, 03:25:24 AM »
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Ports suck.  I\'d rather have  a completely redone MGS1 rather then this stuff.


i am with you on this one

why fix something if it ant broke ?

other than a MGS1 remake on the PS2 ( Graphics and the fluid control system)

another couple of consepts that would nice ..could be a totaly NEW game or a Spin off series of MGS untill the NEXT BIG one.

doing a REMIX of MGS2 is Nice ...but its not the best thing that could happen to us Snake and Riaden Fans.....

not to say that i Wont Buy MGSS

its just it won\'t have the Same impact asa totaly new game
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« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2002, 03:30:12 AM »
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i am with you on this one

why fix something if it ant broke ?

other than a MGS1 remake on the PS2 ( Graphics and the fluid control system)

another couple of consepts that would nice ..could be a totaly NEW game or a Spin off series of MGS untill the NEXT BIG one.

doing a REMIX of MGS2 is Nice ...but its not the best thing that could happen to us Snake and Riaden Fans.....

not to say that i Wont Buy MGSS

its just it won\'t have the Same impact asa totaly new game


I\'m with you on this one too:)...I couldn\'t resist...I\'ve got MGS2 for PS2 and I\'m not sure if I\'ll get a port or a remix...let\'s wait and see...
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« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2002, 04:48:46 AM »
If Kojima releases MGS Substance on PS2 in 2003 ?
Baghh ! Sounds like milking out a game which was
half as good as MGS1 in my humble opinion.
By that time Splinter Cell will be ...uhhumm..., ported
to PS2 and I\'ll look which of the 2 games fits me best
knowing I already have MGS2 SOL.
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« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2002, 05:00:08 AM »
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animations are nothing special for me and game-play,AI...very simple...



:laughing: :D :laughing:

sorry BizioEE.. i dont care in the past whether ive thought you were right or wrong in debates, ive always maintained respect for you.. but after that last comment.. but you\'ve just lost all credibility in my eyes

the animations are so superb its unbelievable.. fully motion captured using military advisors and actors capturing the smallest detail and movement and gestures.. yeah.. the animations sure do suck  :rolleyes:

and the AI is some of the most advanced ever used in a videogame.. it left me with my jaw.. on the floor several times just some of the things the enemies were doing

maybe you should play just a little bit longer than the tanker episode buddy  :laughing:
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« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2002, 08:05:05 AM »
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sorry BizioEE.. i dont care in the past whether ive thought you were right or wrong in debates, ive always maintained respect for you.. but after that last comment.. but you\'ve just lost all credibility in my eyes


I feel sorry for that :(

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the animations are so superb its unbelievable.. fully motion captured using military advisors and actors capturing the smallest detail and movement and gestures.. yeah.. the animations sure do suck  :rolleyes:


I did not say animations suck...simply I\'m not impressed...
...and don\'t get so offended if I\'m not impressed...it\'s just me...

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and the AI is some of the most advanced ever used in a videogame.. it left me with my jaw.. on the floor several times just some of the things the enemies were doing


Why AI is some of the most advanced ever used in a videogame?  please tell me...

ps: I\'m enjoying this game...
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« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2002, 08:11:42 AM »
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I did not say animations suck...simply I\'m not impressed...
...and don\'t get so offended if I\'m not impressed...it\'s just me...
 


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Why AI is some of the most advanced ever used in a videogame? please tell me...


Go play it and watch how the guards react.. (Play it on Hard)

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ps: I\'m enjoying this game...


The why keep nitpicking?
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« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2002, 08:19:16 AM »
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Tihi.. Yes our own little pet troll.. We love you Bizio!


and I love you little loser ! ...er time waster...er...troll...

:)

ps: PS2 and MGS2 are not your life...don\'t get so offended...get a life and stop to cry like a girl when someone is not impressed by your beloved games...

your life won\'t change for this little kid!  :)
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« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2002, 09:16:57 AM »
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ps: PS2 and MGS2 are not your life...don\'t get so offended...get a life and stop to cry like a girl when someone is not impressed by your beloved games...


You go to a forum complaining about videogames rather then enjoying them and you tell someone ELSE to get a life?  Please, we\'re all just a bunch of dorks, the worst ones are just in denial (like yourself).  Get off your perch and just shut up.
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