9/11/01 Forum Topics...

Originally posted by SonyFan
You know what this is? It\'s pure propoganda for the continuance of the war on Terrorism.

indeed.

today we are seeing what the american media is really capable of.


i will remember the people who died last year, and mourn it in my own way, by thinking about it, thinking "damn that sucked" then i will go to work just like every other day.


i refuse to watch any of this "9/11 holiday" that the media has and will continue to make of this day.

have i mentioned i frickin hate the media? all thier "24 HOUR LIVE 9/11 COVERAGE" can kiss my ass.

I\'m not going to bother with your guys discussion.  

Today didn\'t really set in on me until I heard all the deceased names being read.  Very sad day but grieving over it 24/7 won\'t change a thing.  And the media is of course using the story to benefit themselves.

Iran has an Islamic Fundamentalist Goverment and Iraq has a dictatorship. Thats not too hard to fathom is it? What needs to be elaborated? The Iranians are Persian and the Iraqi\'s are Arabs. Two more differences.

Now this isn\'t to say that monster wasn\'t our own creation. Since you seem to think I am blindly patriotic  I will be the first to admit that the situation with Iraq is our own doing. When Iraq invaded Iran we were more than happy to supply Saddam with whatever he wanted and turn a blind eye to his methods. Since the Iranian hostage crisis was still fresh in our memory we took the old and enemy of our enemy is our ally approach. Little did we know that he had greater ambitions than just Iran.

Our second shortcoming was the 1st Bush\'s fault. We should have removed Saddam when we had the chance back during Desert Storm. Now we are faced with a pissed off dictator who is trying to acquire weapons of mass destruction to use God knows where.

Everyone knows the US isn\'t perfect and a policy today might indeed be detrimental in the future, but that is the game of politics. - Giga

Ok, do me a favor and put a big red X through all of that. I realize all of that already, and it\'s kinda hard to argue a point you agree on. What I was commenting on was your susinct lil summary of Iraq\'s reasons for invading Kuwait. You elude to the fact that because Iraq lost to Iran, they attack Kuwait. If you didn\'t mean this, then I suggest you edit your post since that\'s exactly how it sounds. The Iraq-Kuwait invasion had very little - if anything - to do with Iran. It was how Kuwait handled their oil exports which was hurting Iraq\'s economy. Iraq in turn first warned, and then invaded Kuwait when their warnings went unheeded. In many ways, Iraq was justified in attacking Kuwait.. but the fashion in which he did it is what pissed off the world economy. Least from my understanding.

As for your elaboration on Osama Bin Laden\'s reasons, I thank you. That\'s all I wanted. I just wanted to see if you were as up to date on the information as you claimed you were after your lil "Iraq attacked Kuwait because he couldn\'t have Iran" triat.

As for the rest of the argument, kindly move that to the next thread. Simply create a new post and copy-paste it into there. Otherwise, this thread will simple become a "v.2" of that one and do nothing but clutter up the forums. I will respond to it there.

yeah i agree with mm, we should forget, but it shouldnt be made into some specticle..... peep have to get on with there lives, and this will just bring up memories even more

Sonyfan,

Part of the reason he did attack Kuwait was because of his failure against Iran.  His overall goal in Kuwait was to seize the oil fields *and* reclaim what he thought to be a "lost" province of Iraq.  I won\'t debate whether it is or isn\'t.  He has always desired to annex territory and since he bit off more than he could chew with Iran, he decided on a much smaller target where he could somehow justify it.  After almost 10 years of war with Iran, don\'t you think taking Kuwait was a major PR bonus for him with his people?

bah, i was forced to attend the ceremony at school cause it was considered class time

what a waste of time

they read some lame poem they got off the internet, then we said the "pledge of allegiance"

why not the national anthem i asked one of the teachers, and she didnt reply.  i already knew why, but i wanted her to say it.  1/2 the people dont even know the frickin words

then they had a large piece of paper on the wall as a "wall of reflection"

noone signed it after i did

"may god have mercy on our souls"

I wish we could relate on many more subjects mm. There is a lot I really respect about you, then on the other hand

yeah, luckee

we\'ve all got our good and bad points

am I the only one that see\'s similarities between America and Sodom and Gamora?  I\'m not religious in the least (obviously since I probably spelled Gamora wrong), but it\'s just kind of ironic.

Also with our "American" attitude, I can sometimes see why people hate us.  Many people feel it\'s not only their right to be glutunous and wastefull, but it\'s their duty...because they\'re an "American".  I\'m aware that there is a load of people out there, that are not like this, unfortunetly those people aren\'t the ones that the rest of world see.

After almost 10 years of war with Iran, don\'t you think taking Kuwait was a major PR bonus for him with his people? - Giga

Perhaps, but I think that was a smaller part of it. More like an added bonus. While Saddam may have always wanted a piece of Kuwait.. he -WAS- strongarmed into some fashion of conflict. Because of the Iran - Iraq war, Iraq was left billions of dollars in debt to America and other OPEC nations for weapons and supplies. Saddam tried to petition other Arab countries to help him recover from his debt since help to fight "Their (arab) war against the Islamic fundamentalists (Iran)". They denied him, and Iraq went bankrupt.. their only salvation being their oil.

However, at this time Kuwait was ramping up it\'s oil exports to 500,000 barrels a day.. flooding the market and dropping prices. Iraq couldn\'t produce as much and definately not for that cost. There was a lot of threats and diplomatic "heavy breathing" going on.. but to avoid a conflic the other OPEC nations agreed to pay Hussain 10 billion dollars to help recover his country. Kuwait, reniged at the last moment and broke the contract. That was pretty much it.

Kuwait had been poking a rabid dog with a sharp stick.. and they got bit. Saddam didn\'t feel he had a choice.. he had to attack and take control of the country he felt was choking his to death. There were other means he could have persued.. and if he had gone to the UN and petitioned his cause he might have been justified in his war. However, he jus rolled his tanks on into Kuwait and took over. This is what got the world\'s attention.. well.. that and the choice of weapons he had, such as nerve gas.

It\'s why he set Kuwaits oil wells on fire before he was forced out. It was more of an act of spite over what he felt they had done to him than jus "I can\'t have their oil.. so noone can!"

am I the only one that see\'s similarities between America and Sodom and Gamora?- Omen

Well maybe if you wouldn\'t go around anally raping everyone all the time.....

Originally posted by SonyFan


Well maybe if you wouldn\'t go around anally raping everyone all the time.....

Now that is funny... first laugh I had all day...

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I think the sad thing is about this, is the fact that now 9/11 is a media and commercial day. We got 9/11 DVD\'s, 9/11 shirts and the list goes on . It\'s nothing but a commercial holiday in a lot of senses.

LIC.. I bet hallmark has made sure to get in on this

/me sends luckee a happy 9-11 card....then rapes SonyFan