This is a bit much...

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by luckee
That would be worse than not having a gay character.

Gman, its not about making a big deal to be gay and the likes. People appreciate to be accomodated. Like spanish/latin individuals like to have spanish /latin programming on TV. Comics in espanol..etc..

People want things they can relate to.

The question is - What is homosexuality? It refers to sexual preferences. How homosexuals act are as varied as heterosexuals. So how will they present this hero? Effeminate? Macho? Sensitive? Funny? There are a lot of guys that act effeminate but aren\'t gay. There are a lot of gays who act as macho as any heterosexual.

So how will homosexuals relate to this guy since they act as normal as anyone else, gay or not?

In my opinion, it\'s a moot point. Just let the guy be a hero. If they want to say "He\'s a hero, and by the way....he\'s gay." What message are they trying to convey?

I think most people will say "So what\'s the big deal if he is or not?"

There\'s this double standard I don\'t like. White people can\'t have "White Pride" written on their shirts. But minority groups can. This comic book hero being touted as Gay Super Hero is another double standard.

I have gay friends like anyone else. I also have friends who are Jewish, Arabic, Asians, Africans and Europeans. I don\'t go around introducing them as "This is Mike, he\'s gay."

You probably would say to me, "So?"

"The Ambiguously Gay Duo,  
They are taking on evil, come what may,  They are fighting all crime to save the day.  They\'re extremely close in an ambiguous way!  They\'re ambiguously gay. "

That is one of the funniest things on Saturday Night live... ever. I dont really care for homosexuals, I dont really like/dislike them. I\'m neutral. If you wanna go that way- go ahead, just leave me alone and don\'t try for me. Just leave me alone, or dont act gay around me.

Originally posted by GmanJoe


The question is - What is homosexuality? It refers to sexual preferences. How homosexuals act are as varied as heterosexuals. So how will they present this hero? Effeminate? Macho? Sensitive? Funny? There are a lot of guys that act effeminate but aren\'t gay. There are a lot of gays who act as macho as any heterosexual.

So how will homosexuals relate to this guy since they act as normal as anyone else, gay or not?

In my opinion, it\'s a moot point. Just let the guy be a hero. If they want to say "He\'s a hero, and by the way....he\'s gay." What message are they trying to convey?

I think most people will say "So what\'s the big deal if he is or not?"

There\'s this double standard I don\'t like. White people can

\'t have "White Pride" written on their shirts. But minority groups can. This comic book hero being touted as Gay Super Hero is another double standard.

I have gay friends like anyone else. I also have friends who are Jewish, Arabic, Asians, Africans and Europeans. I don\'t go around introducing them as "This is Mike, he\'s gay."

You probably would say to me, "So?"

Like I said, it\'s nice to have something for ALL people to be able to identify with when they are the minority. Hence no "white power" shirts without reprecussion and this gay comic.

The reason it has to be spoken that said character is gay is b/c ppl would more than likely assume the character is straight unless it was painfully obvious. Plus Im sure someone also wants to piss off the bible thumpers and homophobes out there as well.

Luckee, you talk about freedom for all, yet you consistantly bash conservatives on this board.  You come across as being all for freedom of speech as long as it isn\'t a conservative who is speaking.  Maybe some of us don\'t like the gay lifestyle being forced upon our society as being ok.  Gay people as a whole don\'t bother me as long as they keep it in the privacy of their own home.  This agenda of tolerance that is being waged by the liberal part of our society is really sickening.  For the record, I am not religious at all, but I do find your generalization that people are bible thumpers if they believe homosexuality to be wrong and offensive.  

In closing, I am sure I will be labeled as intolerant or god forbid, a bigot for this post.

Originally posted by GmanJoe
For a long time, Batman and Robin was thought by southern Bible thumpers to be an allegory of Man/boy lovers.

What do you mean thought by southern Bible thumpers...

you don\'t need to be a southern Bible thumper to see they were gay...oh come on

a Billionaire spending all that time ...ALONE in a Bat Cave with a 17 year old boy....

Gadzooks

its like one of Ashfords Dreams ......:eek:

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Luckee, you talk about freedom for all, yet you consistantly bash conservatives on this board.  You come across as being all for freedom of speech as long as it isn\'t a conservative who is speaking.  Maybe some of us don\'t like the gay lifestyle being forced upon our society as being ok.  Gay people as a whole don\'t bother me as long as they keep it in the privacy of their own home.  This agenda of tolerance that is being waged by the liberal part of our society is really sickening.  For the record, I am not religious at all, but I do find your generalization that people are bible thumpers if they believe homosexuality to be wrong and offensive.  

In closing, I am sure I will be labeled as intolerant or god forbid, a bigot for this post.

Talk about twisting things. No one is taking any freedoms away from you by having gay comics on the market.

Do you keep your heterosexuality behind private doors only? Didnt think so..nuff said.

Please dont speak about bashing others, ok kettle?

Who cares if some of you dont like it. You are not being forced to be with another male nor are you being forced to read said comment. Hell, no one even forced you to post about it.

Homosexuality being forced upon society??? Damn, you are homophobic arent you?

As for the generalization..it wasnt really one if you re-read now was it? Here IS one though. Typically, those that are into religion enough to look at homosexuality as wrong and offensive are usually deep into religion and are also bible thumpers. Is that better for ya?

Gay Double Acts throughout history

Sherlock &  Dr Watson
Biggles & Ginger
Batman & Robin
Sigfred & Roy
Vapour Snake & Ashford
ooseven & Samwise

And may it long continue to do so

Before anyone asks, I\'m not gay so you\'re out of luck.

But what do all the gay people think when hetrosexuals try to \'accommodate\' them. If it was me I\'d feel pretty pissed at the constant assumptions being thrown around, all those stereotypes just aren\'t very accurate for the whole gay populace.



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There are a lot of guys that act effeminate but aren\'t gay. There are a lot of gays who act as macho as any heterosexual.




My solution, if gay people want specific gay icons then gay people should create them themselves.

First off, for demographics alone, the guy who suggested a lesbian superhero was absolutely right.  It\'s young boys who read comic books, and that would have catered right to them.  This Rawhide idea is probably going to flop.

Most boys simply won\'t find stories about Rawhide and his partner compelling.  The reason I think it\'s "wrong" is because it\'s not entertaining.

And if you absolutely have to make a gay man superhero just for the sake of being different, you better sure as hell have a good, entertaining story to overshadow it.  And luckily Marvel is handling this, so that ought to be the case.

Heh, but screw that, let\'s have DC out with the lesbian issue and maybe I\'ll pick one up.... You know, accidentally.

-Eik

Originally posted by luckee



Talk about twisting things. No one is taking any freedoms away from you by having gay comics on the market.

Do you keep your heterosexuality behind private doors only? Didnt think so..nuff said.

Please dont speak about bashing others, ok kettle?

Who cares if some of you dont like it. You are not being forced to be with another male nor are you being forced to read said comment. Hell, no one even forced you to post about it.

Homosexuality being forced upon society??? Damn, you are homophobic arent you?

As for the generalization..it wasnt really one if you re-read now was it? Here IS one though. Typically, those that are into religion enough to look at homosexuality as wrong and offensive are usually deep into religion and are also bible thumpers. Is that better for ya?

Uh where did I bash you?  I simply asked you not to attack people who have the opposite opinion.  As for insults... you say I am homophobic... that would imply I fear homosexuals.  I find it disgusting, but it doesn\'t mean I fear them.  Once again you let the insults fly, just because someone disagrees with your "narrowminded" view.  Yes, some could say my view is narrowminded as well, I guess it depends on what side of the fence you are sitting on.  Lets see if you can reply without an insult or any sarcastic remark - just reply to topic of my post which is...

The fact remains that in this country homosexuality is frowned upon.  Should they be discriminated against?  No I don\'t think they should, but they shouldn\'t have to force their agenda or beliefs on this society either.  They teach that homosexuality is ok in public schools so yes they are asserting their agenda on society.  When my son comes home one day and says his teacher says that having two mommies or two daddies is normal, well I have to disagree.  Don\'t try and tell me that isn\'t forcing an opinion on someone, especially when it comes to a 10 year old.  The majority don\'t want it and as far as I know this is still a democracy.

Originally posted by GigaShadow


Uh where did I bash you?  I simply asked you not to attack people who have the opposite opinion.  As for insults... you say I am homophobic... that would imply I fear homosexuals.  I find it disgusting, but it doesn\'t mean I fear them.  Once again you let the insults fly, just because someone disagrees with your "narrowminded" view.  Yes, some could say my view is narrowminded as well, I guess it depends on what side of the fence you are sitting on.  Lets see if you can reply without an insult or any sarcastic remark - just reply to topic of my post which is...

The fact remains that in this country homosexuality is frowned upon.  Should they be discriminated against?  No I don\'t think they should, but they shouldn\'t have to force their agenda or beliefs on this society either.  They teach that homosexuality is ok in public schools so yes they are asserting their agenda on society.  When my son comes home one day and says his teacher says that having two mommies or two daddies is normal, well I have to disagree.  Don\'t try and tell me that isn\'t forcing an opinion on someone, especially when it comes to a 10 year old.  The majority don\'t want it and as far as I know this is still a democracy.

This is getting old and you are really reaching now.

I didnt say you bashed me. I didnt "attack" anyone with an opposite opinion.

Calling you homophobic is NOT an insult. I feel you are to a degree. Real simple, not a insult though. Try again.

Narrowminded? Actually those not willing to accept what is not the "norm" are typically the narrowminded ones.

Im sarcastic by nature, but I RARELY insult ppl without being insulted first. I know you want me to go first. Like I said in another thread, you wanna get OT in a thread..PM me.

Now to get back on topic. Being hetero isnt normal to some, whats your point? It\'s all in how one person looks at it. Just b/c things are available or even advertised doesnt mean it is being forced upon the public. Like I said, dont pick it up when its out, dont have yor children read them, etc...etc..etc.

The majority didnt want women and minorities to have certain rights either and look how that sits now. Being a democracy is exactly the point. The ability to have what you want, turn out what you dont and speak your voice either way.