O\'Reilly vs Moore

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by Hawken
Black Samurai you didnt even answer one of our questions once again.

What questions were these? I\'m looking up at your (and videoholics) post(s) in between Soul Reavers last two posts (as, to bring this up now you must surely be referring to questions in those particular posts) and not only do I not see any questions, but I don\'t even see any question marks! To make matters worse, the only thing that even resembles a question fails to have a question mark at the end of it and is clearly rhetorical. If, however, you decided to be very abstract and make your post in reference to a post higher up the page, I only see a few questions which you happen to answer YOURSELF negating the necessity of a response from Black Samurai. So you never really needed Black Samurai to answer any questions particularly because you never even seemed to ask any questions in any of your previous posts! Nor did anyone else, seeing as you decided to use the word "our" instead of "my"!

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GigaShadow
The UN couldn\'t do its job in Iraq.  Why?  Partly because the Iraqi\'s put up smoke mirrors to prevent anything being found and secondly because of certain under the table ties a certain country that sits on the Security Council had with the former regime.

The military does not soley advertise the GI Bill as a reason to join up and if someone joins the military and thinks they are going to get a free ride they deserve what they get.  Stop with the defense that "poor kids" blah blah boo hoo...  you really don\'t understand.  Anyone can go to college with grades - Student Loans, Grants, Scholarships... there are many alternative to joining the military.  The military is not vastly made up of people who want "free" college either.  A good number never go to college because they don\'t want to.  The vast majority who have joined the military do so because they want to serve their country.   Now do everyone a favor and get off the "poor boy" kick you peasant. :rolleyes:

As far as the attacks of 9/11 are concerned - don\'t blame Bush, it took a long time to plan those attacks and most of the plans were done during Clinton\'s watch.

The military doesn\'t soley advertise the GI bill? Maybe you should stop by their recruiting offices and check out the stuff glued on their windows.

50,000 College Tuition!
Get an Education!

and so many more...

I never said that the GI Bill was the only reason that soldiers join but it\'s one of the many reasons why teenagers that don\'t have enough money to join do so. And no I\'m not going to get off the "poor boy" because you decide that those soldiers dying out there should of known what they had coming when our President sent them to war under false evidence. I\'m sure all of the soldiers joined in order to serve their country but they all have their own personal reasons.

In 1991 receiving money and education benefits as well as to get training were the primary reaons people gave to join the military. You can say "it\'s 1991" but with the way the economy slumped for the last couple of years I\'m pretty sure the intentions haven\'t changed.

http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR323/mr323.ch13.pdf


Meanwhile, almost 37 percent of those who do join the Army -- many receiving incentives such as college-tuition aid of $50,000, in addition to a $19,000 enlistment bonus per soldier --

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=18450

Yeah the attacks took a long time I\'ll give you that. Clinton was at fault as well as Bush. I just don\'t find the "intelligence" in the CIA or the FBI or whatever. The connection was too strong for Bush not to have done anything about it.

Are you talking about the time when Bush\'s dad was friendly with Saddam?

I think it\'s sad that we caught a guy that had nothing to do with anything about 9/11, in the process lost so many soldiers and we haven\'t even caught the one that actually killed all of those poor people. We haven\'t heard anything about Afghanistan or Laden.

But hey I guess killing thousands of your people in your country is a bigger crime than killing thousands of our people in our country.


http://www.rense.com/general34/realre.htm

^^
I found that just for Nvidia...I scanned it so I don\'t know that it\'s all about...except some kind of conspiracy.

[GmanJoe]

Anyone can be a janitor. Hell, you only need basic common sense to be a janitor. Hence why it\'s a low ass paying dirty and sometimes difficult job.

To be a CEO, unless you inherit the position or you invented the first bread slicer, you have to work your way up. And just to get yer foot in the door, you need more than just yer basic college education. Sometimes a Masters degree is required.

Originally posted by SirMystiq
The military doesn\'t soley advertise the GI bill? Maybe you should stop by their recruiting offices and check out the stuff glued on their windows.

50,000 College Tuition!
Get an Education!

and so many more...

I never said that the GI Bill was the only reason that soldiers join but it\'s one of the many reasons why teenagers that don\'t have enough money to join do so. And no I\'m not going to get off the "poor boy" because you decide that those soldiers dying out there should of known what they had coming when our President sent them to war under false evidence.

Your lame attempt to make this a class warfare argument just reinforces my opinion of your ignorance.  People from all social backgrounds join the military - not just the poor.  As I said before there are other alternatives to getting a college education - that is a fact.  Now, please STFU about how you think the army is luring volunteers under false pretenses.  If you are too stupid realize you are joining the military and the job of the military is to fight for this country then you are obviously too stupid to even consider going to college.  Part of the risk of being in the military is you might very well die in a conflict, regardless of whether some think it is wrong.  Is that too hard to understand Mystiq?

Usually would take the more liberal side of this, but I do side with Giga, it\'s not just the poorer classes that join up with the Army.

My pa makes about 35 thousand a year, and thankfully is paying for my College Tuition...kind of. I\'m going to the University of Nebraska-Lincoln (same town where I live). After filling out all of the FAFSA information back on February, and doing fairly well on the ACT (the only one that matters around here), I\'m getting about 2,550 in Grants per semester for my Freshman year. With that, I\'ll be paying about Two Dollars for my Tuition and Fees for the first semester, along with the One thousand dollars for Books and whatnot. Basically, the bare minimum that I\'ll be putting into college for my Freshman year is about 2,000, which is mainly for books and whatnot.

Now, I have a ton of friends that are enlisting in the Army (The Midwestern states usually have more people that enlist per person than any other states), and whereas more of them are on the shorter end of the stick, there are a few who could very easily go to College, but quite simply don\'t want to. When talking to most of those friends about their reasons for going into the Army, most of the time it wasn\'t to seek an education -- it was to serve the country.

See Yuz.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Your lame attempt to make this a class warfare argument just reinforces my opinion of your ignorance.  People from all social backgrounds join the military - not just the poor.  As I said before there are other alternatives to getting a college education - that is a fact.  Now, please STFU about how you think the army is luring volunteers under false pretenses.  If you are too stupid realize you are joining the military and the job of the military is to fight for this country then you are obviously too stupid to even consider going to college.  Part of the risk of being in the military is you might very well die in a conflict, regardless of whether some think it is wrong.  Is that too hard to understand Mystiq?

Like I said before, I never said that only poor people join the military. The GI Bill is one of the main things ADVERTISED by the military, that and the "see the world" and the "be somebody" message.

Who the hell said the army is luring volunteers under false pretenses? I never said that, so please STFU and stop putting words in my mouth. The only person luring people is GWB.

Maybe you need to stop making assumptions. I don\'t know if you\'re too stupid too know how to do that. I said that all people that join the army know what they are getting into.

As for the "Part of the risk..." speech, I just think it\'s sad when so many of our soldiers are dying for a single man\'s personal agenda.

Originally posted by SirMystiq

Who the hell said the army is luring volunteers under false pretenses? I never said that, so please STFU and stop putting words in my mouth. The only person luring people is GWB.

Maybe you need to stop making assumptions. I don\'t know if you\'re too stupid too know how to do that. I said that all people that join the army know what they are getting into.

As for the "Part of the risk..." speech, I just think it\'s sad when so many of our soldiers are dying for a single man\'s personal agenda.

You said it idiot.

Originally posted by SirMystiq


You talk about getting an education as if it were such an easy task. The military pushes the whole "we\'ll pay for your education" because they know that kid\'s that aren\'t lucky enough to get a scholarship and don\'t have jobs that can help them pay college tuition will be hypnotized to join up.

You never said that?  Clearly no assumption was made.  Must you be proven wrong over and over again?  You can\'t even remember what you say let alone present a logical argument.  Now sit down "Ms. tiq".

[GmanJoe]

Butt raped and Owned.

[Titan]

Anyone have the video of Moore and O\'Reilly? I\'d like to see it.

Taken from BillOReilly.com

We debated for ten minutes and Moore put forth the following:

• That President Bush "lied" about Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction even though the 9/11 Commission, the Senate Intelligence Committee Investigation and Lord Butler\'s British Investigation all say Bush did not lie.
• Moore defines a "lie" as anything that turns out not to be true. By following this logic, weather forecasters everywhere must now be categorized as pathologically dishonest.
• Moore said he would not have attacked the Taliban government in Afghanistan after the 9/11 attack. Instead, he would have captured Bin laden by using "commandos." Apparently, Moore believes the Taliban would have allowed his "commandos" to root out Osama and his boys with impunity. Moore related the "commando" strategy to me with a straight face.
• Moore denied that Ronald Reagan\'s arms build up had anything to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union and freedom for Eastern Europe.
• The filmmaker then went on to say that pre-emptive war is wrong and would have been immoral even in the case of Adolf Hitler. Moore said he would have prevented Hitler from assuming power in the first place. I didn\'t have time ask him how he would have done that but I assume commandos would have been involved.

[Bobs_Hardware]

That last point was hilarious!

[clips]

Originally posted by Hawken
They deserve their salary because they went to school and got the training and education that is the requirement of a high paying job. A CEO of a Fortune 500 company doesn\'t work harder for his check than the janitor of the same company.
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huh? A janitor works just as hard as a CEO? Wow.... Ok listen everyone has a chance to go to college with no money its called a scholorship and work. If you dont get a scholorship you work. Rich people have the choice to pay there kids college since they obviously worked very hard to give that gift to his kids. You make it sound like poor people are damned to be janitors.

And I dont want to hear this Colin Powell shit. You never really answered my question. The RUSSIANS THE US AND THE BRITISH GAVE THE PRESIDENT A HUGE AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE THEY HAD WMD\'s. With that information it would have been a crime not to invade iraq. And now you must be saying where are the WMD\'s? Well we will find them eventually we\'ve had way to many old iraqi scientists say that he built them. In time we will find them and you will eat your own words.

did you even read the link?  yes they all gave the u.s. the intelligence & powell didn\'t agree with it at first,...he told bush & co. that he would not go in front of the u.n. with speculative evidence...and yes no wmd\'s..bush made it seem like as soon as you went over there you would practically trip over them...now that we can\'t find them, and damn near 1000 american lives lost, you want to turn around and say "well uh at least we liberated iraq!" :rolleyes:  that\'s bulls**t! at the iraqi people are better off than they were when saddam was in power? nope i don\'t think so!

do you see all that mass destruction that takes place daily over there? even in the so called "green zones?" (safety zones) they are bombing bldgs at will & the u.s. cannot stop it..even with their superior military might, a small few are causing havoc that the u.s. cannot contain...then we backtrack & say "uhm ok it\'s time for the iraqi\'s to defend their land"...pathetic...

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GigaShadow
You said it idiot.


You never said that?  Clearly no assumption was made.  Must you be proven wrong over and over again?  You can\'t even remember what you say let alone present a logical argument.  Now sit down "Ms. tiq".

HAHAHA...You love taking stuff literal don\'t you. It\'s the only way you can make your point.

The army is luring people with the GI Bill. I never said it was a false pretences.

And again you can take it as you like but I never intended to say or let alone imply that only poor people join the military.

And Gman get off Giga\'s balls would ya?


I agree with this guy^^^^^^

But you know what I agree with all the Republicans. Too God damn bad so many soldiers died over something that wasn\'t true. GWB and other leaders made a mistake. It happens. We are all humans and therefore Bush shouln\'t be blamed for the deaths of our soldiers whom for he cares so much that listened to other leaders, got in to this war with nobody behind him and now is screwing our soldiers over. TOO BAD. He doesn\'t like minorites therefore I like him.

Pshh...The Government and intelligence don\'t go together anymore since Sept. 11

And Giga before you say anything when I said "nobody" was behind him it doesn\'t literally mean "nobody" It\'s an overstatement which can serve as propaganda.

[Jumpman]

God damn O\'Reilly is a masterful debater!

Originally posted by SirMystiq
HAHAHA...You love taking stuff literal don\'t you. It\'s the only way you can make your point.

The army is luring people with the GI Bill. I never said it was a false pretences.

And again you can take it as you like but I never intended to say or let alone imply that only poor people join the military.

And Gman get off Giga\'s balls would ya?


I agree with this guy^^^^^^

But you know what I agree with all the Republicans. Too God damn bad so many soldiers died over something that wasn\'t true. GWB and other leaders made a mistake. It happens. We are all humans and therefore Bush shouln\'t be blamed for the deaths of our soldiers whom for he cares so much that listened to other leaders, got in to this war with nobody behind him and now is screwing our soldiers over. TOO BAD. He doesn\'t like minorites therefore I like him.

Pshh...The Government and intelligence don\'t go together anymore since Sept. 11

And Giga before you say anything when I said "nobody" was behind him it doesn\'t literally mean "nobody" It\'s an overstatement which can serve as propaganda.

Oh now it was a joke?!?! yeah whatever Ms. Tiq.  Just STFU please.  As for the rest of your temper tantrum... :rolleyes:

Also a question - Bush "doesn\'t like minorities therefore you like him?"    

Bush speaks fluent Spanish and has Hispanic family members, I fail to see any facts backing your weak accusations.