hi ,thanks for replys. have tryed most of the modes for suikoden 3. i have read it is because it is a duel layer game and it has to be shrunk. i found a patch to convert game from usa to pal. has any one tryed the patch and shrinking game to see if it will work on hd load. i know the game is compatible as i have checked site\'s. my son has waited so long for this game as it was not in the uk.thought hd loader would help. only other opition left maybe is to get ps2 chipped. my fried said get a flip top lid and magic disc .any help will be most welcome. thanks alot every one.