Canada full of crooks?

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=fb715fde-9cee-42e2-ae75-81061c3cee14

Reaping what we sow

David Frum, National Post

After a spasm of heart-rending, frightening violence, Toronto\'s Mayor, David Miller, and its news media want Torontonians to remember one thing: The city is very, very safe. Really.

"Chicago: 445 homicides. Washington D.C.: 195 homicides. Baltimore: 268 homicides. Toronto: 78 homicides." So opened a story in Sunday\'s Toronto Star.

If there is any problem in Toronto, the Mayor insists, it is traceable to the United States: "The U.S. is exporting its problem of violence to the streets of Toronto," David Miller complained on Dec. 27.

And naturally Prime Minister Paul Martin agreed. "What we saw yesterday is a stark reminder of the challenge that governments, police forces and communities face to ensure that Canadian cities do not descend into the kind of rampant gun violence we have seen elsewhere."

Feel better now? Well, don\'t. The Prime Minister, the Mayor and the media are hiding crucial facts. Here are three:

1) America\'s crime problem has dramatically improved, while Canada\'s is becoming seriously worse. Toronto\'s 78 homicides in 2005 appears to compare favorably to the homicide totals of the three American cities cited by the Star. But those 78 Toronto homicides in 2005 represent a 28% increase over the 61 homicides recorded in Toronto in 1995. Meanwhile, the three U.S. cities cited by the Star each achieved dramatic decreases over the past decade: Chicago down 46% from 823, Washington down 46% from 365, Baltimore down 17% from 322.

More broadly: Canada\'s overall crime rate is now 50% higher than the crime rate in the United States. Read that again slowly -- it seems incredible, but it\'s true. It\'s true too that you are now more likely to be mugged in Toronto than in New York City.

2) America\'s crime problem is becoming concentrated in ever fewer places, while Canada\'s is spreading out to ever more places.

The United States is a huge country, and it will always be possible to find a jurisdiction with shocking crime numbers. The overwhelming majority of Americans, however, live in places that are becoming steadily safer. Since the early 1990s, crime rates have dropped in 48 of the 50 states and 80% of American cities. Over that same period, crime rates have risen in six of the 10 Canadian provinces and in seven of Canada\'s 10 biggest cities.

3) While American cities and states are adopting anti-crime policies proved to work, Canadian cities and provinces are adopting policies proved to fail.

Over a decade of successful crime-fighting in the U.S., criminologists and police departments have learned some important lessons.

Bluntly: prison works. Criminals do not commit crimes while they are held in prison. Yet a Canadian criminal is 80% less likely to go to jail than his American counterpart.

Putting police on the streets works. Yet Canada employs 25% fewer police officers per capita than the United States.

Enforcing laws against vagrancy, prostitution and drug dealing works. Yet Canada is either decriminalizing or tolerating all three. The right kinds of gun laws work too: for example, extending the sentence of any criminal who commits any crime -- down to jaywalking -- while in possession of a gun.

Gun registries and gun bans on the other hand do not work. Youth programs do not work. Counselling does not work. Grants to community activists, peer counsellors and after-school facilities do not work. The $50-million Paul Martin has just announced for local crime-prevention will be directed to individuals and groups connected to the Liberal party\'s patronage machine. That money will do nothing to enhance the safety of the City of Toronto. And if it finds its way to individuals or groups who lobby against effective law-enforcement, that money will actually make the problem worse.

It is not guns from across the border that threaten Canadians. It is the weak and cynical policies of home-grown politicians, and especially the Chretien/Martin Liberals. The $2-billion wasted on the gun registry could have paid for more cops, more prisons, more of everything that would protect the lives and security of Canadians. It is the federal Liberal government that releases young offenders back into the community, the federal Liberals who appoint the judges who refuse to punish, the federal Liberals who run the prison system as if it were a summer camp, the federal Liberals who refuse to deport immigrants who break the law, the federal Liberals who have subordinated public safety to ethnic politics.

And then it is the federal Liberals who have the gross and extreme indecency to try to exploit for their own selfish political ends the crime and grief and suffering for which they bear so much of the blame.

Holy shit!!


50%??? :eek:

[Jumpman]

ye we live hardcore here

fuck canada

[Jumpman]

Come here and say that to our faces you little wanker!

[Evi]

You\'re a hoser, eh?

[Titan]

Come here and say that to our faces you little wanker!

What are you so upset aboot

He left out the word change.

Ie, Toronto had a terrible year, and it\'s change was +30%.  Those american cities chosen had great years, and hence our differnce in change was 50%.  Very nasty wording on that, I would venture a guess that it was written just for the headline.



Take a look at some of The Daily\'s weekly crime reports.  If you actually work out the math yourself, you will see how much lower per population the violent crime rate (and drug rate, and property crime rate, etc) actually is than the US.  

Just look at the article\'s own numbers!Chicago population 2.8 million 445 homicides: rate 15.89 per 100K.  Toronto? population 4.55 million, 78 homicides (worst city by far in Canada), rate 1.71 per 100K.  Duuuuuh.

Incarceration rate as of 1997 (I was looking for a more recent one, but couldn\'t find it in 30 seconds).  I have a more recent one in a textbook (2004) and it\'s fairly simmilar (right click view image):

That explains why laws are less strict in Canada. Crime rate was very very low before then it increased suddenly. Its hard to adapt the laws so fast.

So I guess the mayor and the prime minister were right that criminals were kind of exported from the US since things are strictier there and lefto for canada where things are less strictier

[videoholic]

WHere is this Canada place you speak of?

"We should get North Dakota to attack Canada." - Rich Vos
 
-Dan

blame canada!

Take a look at some of The Daily\'s weekly crime reports.  If you actually work out the math yourself, you will see how much lower per population the violent crime rate (and drug rate, and property crime rate, etc) actually is than the US.  

Just look at the article\'s own numbers!Chicago population 2.8 million 445 homicides: rate 15.89 per 100K.  Toronto? population 4.55 million, 78 homicides (worst city by far in Canada), rate 1.71 per 100K.  Duuuuuh.

owned by real statistics

Only in Canada!

Except Fatal is right. It doesn\'t make sense to talk about increases that way. I mean, what if "Town X" had 5 million citizens and 1 homocide pr year. Then next year they have 2 homocides. OMG, that\'s like a 100% increase in homocides. Yeah, but it\'s still very little compared to the size of the city.