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« Reply #75 on: October 28, 2008, 09:12:34 AM »
Without any understanding of it either.

That\'s fine.

Who is this anamoly we call Jumpman? How is he able to do what he does and still survive after years of torment? It seems he feeds on the hate, growing with an intense passion to put unassuming members in their place.

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« Reply #76 on: October 28, 2008, 09:16:18 AM »
No, I understand it completely.  Thanks again for bringing your Canadian spin to CE.
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« Reply #77 on: October 28, 2008, 09:22:12 AM »
My spin is a spin against tyranny and injustice. It\'s why I\'m Batman and you\'re just some average American who thinks he\'s the shit and thinks his opinion matters.
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« Reply #78 on: October 28, 2008, 09:31:02 AM »
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So yes, you\'re in favor of unregulated exploitation of the working class. Again, for back to the 18th century if you want similar views on economics.

Liberty at its finest.


The working class is not being exploited!  I am in the working class, if you work hard, you can achieve success.

Shoot for the stars!  Pursue your dreams!

Get off your high horse, you\'re not entitled to anything, you have to earn it.
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« Reply #79 on: October 28, 2008, 09:37:51 AM »
Less regulations=less government=more exploitation ya pretty standard capitalism happens here too. Again, work hard=money apparently.

I\'m talking about the proletariat class, not your\'s (the bourgeoisie).
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« Reply #80 on: October 28, 2008, 10:03:33 AM »
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The working class is not being exploited!  I am in the working class, if you work hard, you can achieve success.

Shoot for the stars!  Pursue your dreams!

Get off your high horse, you\'re not entitled to anything, you have to earn it.


The working class is being exploited to a certain degree,..take the outsourcing scenario,..Obama plans to give companies a tax break for hiring american workers, and a tax hike for companies that ship jobs overseas, but what do we tell our kids?..go to school get your degree and land a great job correct? Well how can that be feasibile if after you\'ve graduated and earned your rightful salary in your field of work, companies would rather hire somebody in india to do the job you went to school for and to pay them $7.00 an hour compared to paying you over $30.00 an hour?

I appreciate that big companies hire people and create jobs, but they are constantly looking for ways to not pay that american worker a fair salary. Alot of techincal college grads are going to be going up against stiff competition in going up against some of those outsourcing agencies. I\'ve experienced that and it\'s extremely frustrating....it\'s like the work establishments are against you for working hard and earning your degree.

Yes if you work hard you can achieve, but it\'s not as simple and clear cut as you proclaim it to be.
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« Reply #81 on: October 28, 2008, 10:29:43 AM »
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He actually lowered that threshold to 200,000

Many small businesses make 250K though FYI



He didn\'t change it...it\'s $250,000 for families and $200,000 for individuals. I have a comparison of both Obama\'s and McCain\'s tax plan in this thread...maybe you should take a look at their plans.
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« Reply #82 on: October 28, 2008, 10:56:18 AM »
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He didn\'t change it...it\'s $250,000 for families and $200,000 for individuals. I have a comparison of both Obama\'s and McCain\'s tax plan in this thread...maybe you should take a look at their plans.


Yes but he advertised it as $250K for all.

Clips, I\'m still waiting for proof regarding your claims that it will only affect companies that ship jobs overseas.

So I\'m not in the working class?  I go to work.  Why don\'t you come out and say it, you don\'t have respect for white collar workers.
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« Reply #83 on: October 28, 2008, 11:18:05 AM »
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Yes but he advertised it as $250K for all.



Nope..he\'s always stated 95% of working families....and you mean to tell me if you\'re an individual makin\' $200,000 on your own you\'re not livin\' comfortably?....anything over $200,000 you get taxed as an individual, that is still a fair shake.


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Clips, I\'m still waiting for proof regarding your claims that it will only affect companies that ship jobs overseas.



I\'ll have to research that...i only question the oil companies, because he seems like he wants to tax them big time, BUT if those guys aren\'t outsourcing jobs overseas, then he might have to give those guys a tax break as well....he has stated in general if you\'re a company shippin\' american jobs overseas you\'ll receive a tax break and if not you get the hike...he states it everytime he gives a speech, so it\'s not like it\'s something that he\'s stated only once.

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Tax_Plan_Comparison_FINAL.pdf


^^^It states what he will do as far as companies are concerned here...what more do you want?..it\'s in black and white.


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So I\'m not in the working class? I go to work. Why don\'t you come out and say it, you don\'t have respect for white collar workers.



Not sure where you\'re goin\' with this, since i\'m part of that white collar class as well....in certain scenarios, it\'s not always work hard and achieve wealth, not when these same institutions are fighting against you....and in a sense punishing your success and hard work, by looking for cheap labor and workers outside of the u.s.
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« Reply #84 on: October 28, 2008, 11:24:15 AM »
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Nope..he\'s always stated 95% of working families....and you mean to tell me if you\'re an individual makin\' $200,000 on your own you\'re not livin\' comfortably?....anything over $200,000 you get taxed as an individual, that is still a fair shake.


that 95% is such a misrepresentation, as I\'ve stated, and you refuse to listen, and indicated in the title of this thread, one third of this country doesn\'t even pay taxes.  So instead of keeping the status quo and not paying taxes, now they\'ll actually be receiving a tax credit.  Yet, he still classifies that as I reduction in taxes.  I call it socialism.
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« Reply #85 on: October 28, 2008, 11:25:15 AM »
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\"In the last 12 months 100,000 private sector jobs have been lost and yet you\'ve created 30,000 public sector jobs. Prime Minister, you cannot carry on forever squeezing the productive bit of the economy in order to fund an unprecidented engorgement of the unproductive bit. You cannot spend your way out of recession or borrow your way out of debt.\" - Daniel Hannan

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« Reply #86 on: October 28, 2008, 02:36:51 PM »
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They\'re entitled to what they earn.  Their managers didn\'t just fall into an upper level position, they worked hard to get there.



Please, they guy who\'s job I\'m trying my best to take is about as sharp as bouncy rubber ball.

This guy is just so ass backwards it makes it just makes no sense. He got the job b/c of 12 years in the field and he is Brazilian like half of the other people t here.

You would be surprised how many managers just fall into the job.
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« Reply #87 on: October 28, 2008, 03:06:46 PM »
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Please, they guy who\'s job I\'m trying my best to take is about as sharp as bouncy rubber ball.

This guy is just so ass backwards it makes it just makes no sense. He got the job b/c of 12 years in the field and he is Brazilian like half of the other people t here.

You would be surprised how many managers just fall into the job.


And how many more will under an Obama presidency.
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« Reply #88 on: October 29, 2008, 05:11:00 AM »
You are still the best resource you have to acquiring what you want in life. Obama is not your best resource.
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« Reply #89 on: October 29, 2008, 04:15:05 PM »
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And how many more will under an Obama presidency.



The same can be said about any other candidate.
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