Now that the Xbox looks like a bust will the PS2\'s dominance be good for the industry

Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
"Casual gamers are the ones who make consoles successful and unsuccessful. Casuals don\'t know what E3 is. Casuals love pretty graphics, and X-Box is delivering in spades. They are teaming with Taco Bell to get the word out to the casuals. "

i agree with the fact that casuals are how a console \'wins\'...but i disagree with the idea that pretty graphics is what casuals are after...they want something they KNOW will be good...casuals KNOW that PSX was good, and had great games, therefore, they buy a PS2...casuals do NOT KNOW that XB sells great games, and they DO KNOW that Microsoft are sons of *****es, that fuk everything up

you people seriously think that while XB pumps out its $500 million in advertising that Sony arent going to launch a counter attack.  They arent stupid, they have hardly dont ANY advdertising so far, just before the launch of NGC and XB, expect Sony to make their offensive on the casual gamers also.

I agree..
I think most casual gamer know what MGS2 is.. and Final Fantasy.. and Gran Turismo 3..

MGS2 is being released in November and with the planned pricecut, I think Sony has a big advantage..

Jumping from SonyFan\'s comments:

"In my experience.. the ingredients for a winning console seems to be 20-30% AAA titles and the rest a slew of crap games. Really, no matter how generally crappy.. any game will certainly draw a fanbase. Having a mass of games, no matter the quality, will convince the mixed bag of fans from those games to buy the console they are on. It\'s called broad market appeal.. and it almost always works for some odd reason"

Whell, assuming that this is in fact true, one has to consider the Xbox\'s development environment. It\'s certainly the indisputable king in terms of developer friendlyness & accessablity, bringing games closer to critical acclaim by lightening the burden on its makers.. In that respect, developers have the most creative freedom with the Xbox, effectively making it the ideal platform for masses of AAA titles. With these considered, an impartial mind comes to the conclusion that the Xbox will eventually overtake Sony and rule.

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Remember Netscape
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We are XBox
You will be Assimilated
Resistance is Futile
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However, one can\'t help but think of the giant obstacles that Microsoft would have to overcome to reach such an end. Back in the broader world of vicious competition, Microsoft\'s opponents will make it anything but an easy task. Not unlike the forces that killed the Dreamcast, these (opponents) include the minions of Stupidity, Ignorance and Close Mindedness as well as their corporate adversaries.

I leave the floor to Time to decide the ultimate outcome.....

Its gonna be PS2 or GC who wins this one..
Im sure..

PS2 has a huge userbase.. and some must have killer apps..

Plus the fact that Sony is planning a pricedrop to 199 USD.. Prob in november (usa) and xmas (uk, eu)!

If a console\'s fate is determined by how well it impressed at a trade show like E3 or TGS, then we\'d all be singing a different tune.

Like Altered has mentioned, Sega totally dominated last year\'s E3 and just look where the DC is headed.

Unfinished products mean nothing. Reserve judgment when its completed.

Total domination of E3 2000 by Sega is a total exaggeration, won the show is more like it. I recall MGS2 being named game of the show and generating a lot of excitement.

If gamers hadn\'t been saying/told over and over months before this years E3 how xbox was going to blow everything else out of the water come show time, blowing as it did in the eyes of many it wouldn\'t of been such a let down.

I\'m still willing to wait another year or so to see what the box can do with all that power fully programed before making final judgment but have been given no reason to think the public at large will care by then any more than they do now. Too little too late, no second chance to make a first impression, if the cliche fits use it.  Final hardware not being ready so close to launch belies all the programers dream ultra power talk as overrated vaporware until the day it proves otherwise. In the meantime PS2 keeps looking better and better, we\'ve been told to wait until 2003 to see what it can really do. Are you willing to? Fair is fair

Originally posted by Avatarr
Remember Netscape

Netscape shot themselves in the foot when they made their browser into a peice of crap that didn\'t support a lot of the standards that THEY originated. MS was just in the right place at the right time.

Originally posted by Ashford
If a console\'s fate is determined by how well it impressed at a trade show like E3 or TGS, then we\'d all be singing a different tune.

Like Altered has mentioned, Sega totally dominated last year\'s E3 and just look where the DC is headed.

Unfinished products mean nothing. Reserve judgment when its completed.

True true but ill think that you will find that the funny thing with E3 2001 was all the X box Fanboys shouting...........

" Ah Just wait till E3 then we will see a REAL console".

So we waited and we saw one.

Pitty it was the other Black Console

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*ooseven thinks over the X box Fanboys quote*

" Ah Just wait till E3 then we will see a REAL console".

Hey they never said which E3........

Oh S%^& looks like we will go through it all over agian for next year .

But what attracted casuals to PSX? Sure as heck not established franchises, as their were zippo when PSX came out. No, what attracted casuals to PSX was pretty graphics, the much overrated name of Sony, and on a few games: Twisted metal, ESPN X Games, and Destruction Derby.

Eric Jacob

Now this has to be the dumbest peace of crap read yet.

First of all you are being nothing but a bias sony fool. Last year before ps2 launched what did sony do at e3? Nothing they barely gave us screen shots. Only shot we saw all the time where of TTT and ssx. Because like always the rest of the games sucked and it proved it at launch. And with all the crappy reviews and horrible game play that plagues many of the rushed(excuse me launched games for ps2.

 I wanna see three strong console that I have to choose from.  Makes companies work harder thus more fun for me. One thing about psx that plauged it is that. It had more games than any video sysmtem could have and the majority of the games where crap.  And ps2 is picking right where it left of at. Which nothing is wrong with that because all console have crappy games and that is not ever going to change, but to say that sony is on top of it games and where getting the best games we can get would be lying.

Although I guess you can\'t blame sony can you? Developers are still learning the technology

Originally posted by Gohan

Netscape shot themselves in the foot when they made their browser into a peice of crap that didn\'t support a lot of the standards that THEY originated. MS was just in the right place at the right time.

lol.  You\'re kidding right?  Netscape lost, because even though it was a better browser than explorer (which blows to this day, and recently destroyed over 100 contacts in my mail contact list), it was only stable on systems OTHER than windows XX.  That\'s why it really failed, explorer was just too integrated into MS\'s Operating Systems to effectively remove.

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
But what attracted casuals to PSX? Sure as heck not established franchises, as their were zippo when PSX came out. No, what attracted casuals to PSX was pretty graphics, the much overrated name of Sony, and on a few games: Twisted metal, ESPN X Games, and Destruction Derby.

Eric Jacob

bah, Sony entered into a shaky market of uncertainty and dispute.  Microsoft are entering into a market with an established front runner, and a veteran who has lernt from past mistakes.  The market is established, and people know who they can trust.  Microsoft will NOT find it as easiy to even break into the market as Sony did...netherlone dominate.

Netscape- sucks
Explorer - sucks

Try OPERA.. ITs the best browser yet IMO!

i think XBox has a chance, even though i do not like Micro$oft because of their past practices.

When i say that, i don\' t mean that XBox1 has a chance, but maybe XBox3, yes, just like the browser wars, M$ will release a so-so console, then they will see where they went wrong, they will improve, and like the "BORG" assimilate good technology/ideas from their competitors, and come  back with a product no gamer would be without. 3 Years ago, i would laugh at anyone that told me that i would be using MS Explorer exclusively. Well 3 years later, i wouldn\'t go back to Netscape, not with their browser as is.

The only good thing about this market, is that SONY has enough money to stay in this war for a decade or more, because it would be a shame if M$ would get another monopoly going.  

Maybe footami is right. Lets just boycott the X-Box and hope it goes away. LOL
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Originally posted by FatalXception


lol.  You\'re kidding right?  Netscape lost, because even though it was a better browser than explorer (which blows to this day, and recently destroyed over 100 contacts in my mail contact list), it was only stable on systems OTHER than windows XX.  That\'s why it really failed, explorer was just too integrated into MS\'s Operating Systems to effectively remove.

Netscapes been inferior for at least the last 3 versions...