Well I guess PS2 HDD is pretty much dead

Even if the add on sells for less than $50, ppl would not buy it.  Regardless, the idea is a failure even before its conception.

I would really like to hear ddaryl\'s thoughts on this.  Is he too much of a biased fanboy to admit any fault in Sony?

Anyway,

here is what I think Sony should do.  Drop the whole hard drive idea, and just focus on the great softwares coming out for the system.  Do they really need to pursue online gaming?  I think it is still early and not as big of a market as predicted.  They should let Microsoft have the market this generation and then try to take it with the PS3.  Look at the Gamecube.  Nintendo doesn\'t seem to give a chit about online gaming, and it looks like they be incredibly successful regardless.  The hard drive is suicide, and they know it.

Originally posted by Tshirts
I would really like to hear ddaryl\'s thoughts on this.  Is he too much of a biased fanboy to admit any fault in Sony?

Dude. I wouldn\'t go there. Ddaryl was in fact getting a bit of flames a long time ago because he was positive about getting an Xbox.

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Originally posted by Tshirts

I would really like to hear ddaryl\'s thoughts on this.  Is he too much of a biased fanboy to admit any fault in Sony?

 

Like Sam has said,  Ddaryl has taken flames from regular members before, because he is postive about the Xbox. Ddaryl is a multi-console player.

Even then, there is no reason to make personal attacks towards people.

You guys need to stop making stuff up.  The hard drive is a SEPARATE package than the ethernet adapter.  They said so at e3 and they gave a price on it a e3 of 39.99 and said they would reveal the price od the hard drive at a later time, which they JUST did.  

A price of 150 dollars gives you a hard drive...AND A HARD DRIVE ONLY.  This crap about a the ethernet being packaged in is BS and the person who posted it knows it.

Bottom Line:  the total price of a ethernet card AND hard drive is:  150.00  +   40.00  =190.00

and people want to know where rumors come from...

Originally posted by Samwise
Dude. I wouldn\'t go there. Ddaryl was in fact getting a bit of flames a long time ago because he was positive about getting an Xbox.

Now I think he\'s taking the wait-and-see approach.  I think that is the smartest thing to do right now, because the Xbox could be a great console, but it could also suck.

Its Sony\'s own fault for making the damn thing 40 gigs.  Honestly who needs 40 gigs in a videogame console?  Computers have that much space, not game consoles.

Originally posted by Tshirts
The hard drive is suicide, and they know it.

What\'s suicidal about it?  These hard drives are undoubtedly composed of off-the-shelf components, so they don\'t represent a huge development investment for Sony.  They can offer the hard drive, do a minimal marketing campaign, and if it sells, then fine.  If not, so what?  They haven\'t lost a great deal.  Later, if online gaming takes off with the XBox, then Sony is covered.  They can increase production of the hard drive (and the modem/ethernet adapter if it\'s not included), and release a couple titles that will compete with whatever Microsoft\'s online fad is.

I think the release of this hard drive / online adapter is just a defensive action on Sony\'s part.

there is a first time for everything, so dont count it out yet!

Originally posted by Claypool 2001
there is a first time for everything, so dont count it out yet!

I\'ll let you have that comment seeing thow this a ps2 forum. But next time I am taking that one and going south:)

Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
You guys need to stop making stuff up.  The hard drive is a SEPARATE package than the ethernet adapter.  They said so at e3 and they gave a price on it a e3 of 39.99 and said they would reveal the price od the hard drive at a later time, which they JUST did.  

A price of 150 dollars gives you a hard drive...AND A HARD DRIVE ONLY.  This crap about a the ethernet being packaged in is BS and the person who posted it knows it.

Bottom Line:  the total price of a ethernet card AND hard drive is:  150.00  +   40.00  =190.00

and people want to know where rumors come from...

New PS2 HDD & Net Adapter Info
Reported By Chris Patterson | 10:39 PM EST | Source: PSX2.com
Sony Computer Entertainment has just released their official statement concerning the release of the Hard Disk Drive and Network Adapter as well as the price for the accessories. SCE has confirmed that the HDD and Network Adapter will be released in Japan on July 19th in order to coincide with the release of Final Fantasy X, which requires the HDD to play. The official price, converted from the Japanese Yen to the U.S. dollar, will be $153 for the external unit and $145 for the internal unit.

While it definately sounds high for a HDD, SCE has stated on their website that the HDD unit comes bundled with the Network Adapter, which was originally priced at $40. The U.S. bundle, still without a release date, will retail for $145 and will include the 40 GB Hard Disk Drive and the narrowband/broadband Network Adapter for $145.

http://www.psx2.com/news/view_news.php?time=994217943#994217943

Sorry mate. Your wrong about that. People can change their plans. E3 was a few months ago. Things change.

But what I wont to know is what is meant by FFX requires the HDD to play? Is that just a mistake? Cause if thats true FFX is going to flop

You know...Ive read that link, and its not that credible now.  First of all....things said on IGN\'s sites are not official Sony releases.  They\'ve been known to mess things up.  The article says that if you go to the SCE site it says on there web page that the deal includes a network adapter and hard drive (together).

Check this out though...check out the SCE site for yourself and tell me what you find???  There is absolutely NO post saying any crap about this...there for....Ign has lied and thats probully why they did not hot link it....cause there is no such article to hot link to.

This might end up a packaged deal but as of now.....Its not.  Sounds like two seperate buys to me.

It didnt come from ign.

But I agree with you that it might not be true. I wont totally believe it until it\'s on more sites.

Memory prices fall all the time.  By the time PS2 starts making games that would be best played with HDD, it will not cost as much.  I bet that when HDD become essential to gaming, 3rd parties might be able to make their own drives and sell them cheaper.  Plus some games, like FF XI that must be played online and would have great benefits from HDD will not cost much, some mag estimated FF XI @ $10.  SO that HDD won\'t be so much of a hassle to buy.  I say that if PS2 does decrease the proce for games requiring HDD, then it shouldn\'t be a problem.  

Remeber, this is all a learnig experiance for SONY, be patient til it all gets worked out.  Let\'s just wait and see. . .

well I only hope they drop the price cause Im not paying that much, Im also taking the wait and see way

I\'ve posted this in another thread, but I might as well put it here too.

40 gig hard drive prices:

$359__10000 RPM
$279___7200 RPM
$249___7200 RPM
$239___7200 RPM
$224___7200 RPM (ebay)
$174___5400 RPM
$169___7200 RPM
$155___5400 RPM
$150___7200 RPM
$150_________________PS2 HDD
$144___7200 RPM
$132___7200 RPM (ebay)
$073___5400 RPM (ebay)
$050___5400 RPM (ebay)

(I just jumped around to see what the prices were.)