Cya PS2! Hello XBOX!

Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
I guess you nieve enough to think that they only people who have played dreamcast games are only the people who bought them?:rolleyes:  peole go to their friends house and play them...and people play the in stores like best buy.  Now if each dreamcast owner had a friend over to play it.....then now wever talking about 40 million people play it right?  if each dreamcast owner had more than one person come over and play it ....then you see how that number grows exponentially.

That is assuming that everyone who owns a Dreamcast owns one of those sports games, which is far from the truth.  A lot of people hate sports games.

thats pretty funny.  Cause you still dont know if they are going to be good are not.  Ps2 released a LOT of games this year that were "specualted" to being GREAT....but when they hit....they were not so great.  It\'s been happening a LOT lately...and just because now ps2 is getting a few games that actually lived up to there hype....they NOT proven themselves to have broken out of that pattern just yet.

And we also don\'t know if the Xbox launch games will be any good.  I would rather buy some possibly good games for my PS2 this fall than buy an Xbox for $300 and buy some possibly good games for it.  And MGS2 is garanteed to be great.  If you argue with this, then you obviously haven\'t played the demo.

thats funny??  I see you know nothing about programing if you think that.  Programers are always finding ways to get more out of the hardware...that situation is NOT EXCLUSIVE to the ps2.  You are talking about the most advanced gpu in the world....and you think that technology will be mastered from day one?  LOL:D  Sure they have some familar tools in direct x to work with ...but the new direct x has all kinds of nice trucks that iut can do that programers have yet to discover.....go read up on it before you make a comment like that.  Its an insult to every programer out there.

What I said was just my oppinion, like I stated.  You say, "Programmers are always finding ways to get more out of the hardware."  Well that didn\'t happen with the Dreamcast.  I think the Xbox is going to be the same.

Should I meantion Devil May Cry again??  Jag heaven man...whats up with that??

That Jaggies argument is getting so old.  It is rare when you even notice jaggies in games while you\'re playing, and jaggies haven\'t really been a problem in PS2 games since the PS2\'s launch.  Have you played DMC?  Have you seen it in person?  You are judging it by some pictures that you have seen.

There were to many things sony was competing with when they entered this indusrty dude....but they prevailed didn\'t they.

Not true.  The only thing they were competing with is the Saturn, and people were afraid of buying the Saturn because of Sega\'s past systems.  The Xbox has to compete with a PS2 and it\'s 10 million userbase, and the NGC which costs $100 less!  It is way different this time around.

and lets see....broadband and hard drive are FREE with xbox....(both are needed to play FFXI)  and in order to play this game on ps2 I have to BUY BOTH a hard drive and a modem....a total price of 190 dollars.  Which is MORE stupid!!! if according to you only 1/10 of all xbox owners are going to be able to play FFXI...

then like only 1/50 of all ps2 owners are going to be able to play this game cause people aint going to shell out 190 dollars PLUS 50.00 for the game just to get their Final fantasy on.  Who the hell is going to pay 240.00 to  play one game???  LOL.....and you say XBox is stupid....LOL LOL LOL LOL OMG....LOL!!:D

FFXI is not the only online game Sony will have.  TMBonline and Tony Hawk 3 online are coming out this fall.

To tell you the truth, I doubt Square makes another online game on this generation of systems.  I\'m not saying that FFXI will bomb, but it won\'t be nearly as successful as the non-online ones.

Oh, and I didn\'t call "Xbox" stupid, I said Microsoft made a stupid mistake.  There is a huge difference.

AHAHAAHAHAH, all those that don\'t follow the ways of the ECKSBOCKS will be sacrificed by Master M4, and I.  HAHAHAHAHAHAH, the revolution will commence!!!

Hey, this tribal sacrificial bull**** is inapropriate. Everyone knows that the association with the Borg and its "assimilating" practices is the way to go. The Xbox is simply too cybernetic to be associated with something as organic as religeous insurgency.

Anyhoooo.. I wish to make a sweeping statement that would encapsulate all that is to be argued in this debate:

"The Future of ConsoleGaming is OnLine, no other console is better equiped for this than the Xbox"

__________________________
-You will be ASSIMILATED!!
-Resistance is FUTILE!!!

Who said that?  

I personally think that online will be the future of gaming.  But I also think that it\'s a little too early to be that sure about it.

*sigh... the words of the blind and ignorant... oh why must they walk in my wake? To all who would speak Troglodyte\'s words, smell the cofee and consider Vivi\'s point of view.

*shakes head

Originally posted by Avatarr
*sigh... the words of the blind and ignorant... oh why must they walk in my wake? To all who would speak Troglodyte\'s words, smell the cofee and consider Vivi\'s point of view.

*shakes head

Pft!  Wow, you\'re so helpful.  In fact, I\'m having a cup of Folgers right now.  All I wanted to know it who said that quotation.  Geeze, it\'s not like I asked you for a piece of your left pinky cuticle.

Don\'t listen to Avatarr, he\'s simply a pathetic moron. According to him, if you do not think Xbox is the future of gaming then you are a blind, ignorant fanboy.

" *sigh... the words of the blind and ignorant... oh why must they walk in my wake? To all who would speak Troglodyte\'s words, smell the cofee and consider Vivi\'s point of view.

*shakes head"

LOL. Instead of proving anything, he insults you. Now where\'s the logic in that?

Originally posted by Jumpman
Don\'t listen to Avatarr, he\'s simply a pathetic moron. According to him, if you do not think Xbox is the future of gaming then you are a blind, ignorant fanboy.

" *sigh... the words of the blind and ignorant... oh why must they walk in my wake? To all who would speak Troglodyte\'s words, smell the cofee and consider Vivi\'s point of view.

*shakes head"

LOL. Instead of proving anything, he insults you. Now where\'s the logic in that?

Can you really blame someone that\'s been taken into the Collective (assimilated into the Borg/MS)?  I take pity on him.  I do think that xbox is going to bring out some impressive stuff, but I myself am going to fight assimilation.  As I had learned from a Star Trek, the Next Generation episode, one of the Borg was separated from the rest of the Borg, and learned that "resistance is not futile.  Geordie named him Hugh.

Originally posted by Troglodyte


Can you really blame someone that\'s been taken into the Collective (assimilated into the Borg/MS)?  I take pity on him.  I do think that xbox is going to bring out some impressive stuff, but I myself am going to fight assimilation.  As I had learned from a Star Trek, the Next Generation episode, one of the Borg was separated from the rest of the Borg, and learned that "resistance is not futile.  Geordie named him Hugh.

Why do you say these  things? My heart weeps!

Seriously, this whole borg analogy is pretty stupid, as MS isn\'t doing anything worse than Sony or Nintendo has tried. Sega, now they\'re perfect....

Originally posted by Krimson


Why do you say these  things? My heart weeps!

Seriously, this whole borg analogy is pretty stupid, as MS isn\'t doing anything worse than Sony or Nintendo has tried. Sega, now they\'re perfect....

I didn\'t mean to upset anyone, just a little "reverse-psychology."  

Jesus christ. Someone close this thread. I haven\'t seen one like this in months.

Insolent mortals! Dare you cross the eternal power of Avatarr?!?! I smite thy blasphemous words, you corrupted infidels!! *SMITE!!!! * Burin in the consuming embers of HELL!!!!!!

Anyhooo.....

The Borg analogy came about because of Microsoft\'s.... corporate aquisitions expressly executed to compliment this thing they call the Xbox. It is not because Microsoft has blatantly engaged in an enterprise (no pun intended, honest!) to confiscate our individuality and  assimilate us into a state of collective efficiency. A deep and insightful outlook on the matter would conclude the opposite.

Jumpman, Tortoldyle, I implore you to rid yourselves of undue inclinations and consider Vivi\'s point of view. If anything, his/her attitude will inequivocally put her/him in a better position in terms of the value he/she has gained from the money he/she has spent. (can Vivi please specify if he/she is a he or she; this "he/she" thing is getting out of hand.)

Originally posted by Avatarr
Anyhooo.....

The Borg analogy came about because of Microsoft\'s.... corporate aquisitions expressly executed to compliment this thing they call the Xbox. It is not because Microsoft has blatantly engaged in an enterprise (no pun intended, honest!) to confiscate our individuality and  assimilate us into a state of collective efficiency. A deep and insightful outlook on the matter would conclude the opposite.

Jumpman, Tortoldyle, I implore you to rid yourselves of undue inclinations and consider Vivi\'s point of view. If anything, his/her attitude will inequivocally put her in a better position in terms of the value he/she has gained from the money he/she has spent. (can Vivi please specify if he/she is a he or she; this "he/she" thing is getting out of hand.)

Dang, I was begining to like you then you shoot me down.  Agck!  I have considered his point of view, and here is mine:

My last system was a SEGA.  I never had a PS.  So, I bought the system that had the largest selection of games that I want to play.  I\'m still buying two-year old PSX games!  I don\'t have the money to buy an xbox.  But by the time online gaming through consoles becomes more popular, I am hoping that I will be able to use my PS2, and afford a hopefully price-dropped HDD and modem to so this with.  In the end it will be cheaper than buying an xbox. . .  for me.  Plus, I don\'t see online console gaming really start to pump up until 1st quarte, 2002.  By then I\'ll have the money to invest.

And then, by 2004/5, who knows?  I might be getting an xbox2 or something!  But for me (I\'m not much of a pioneer) the PS2 is the best solution.

Whell, you can always sell the darned thing. They\'ll only be fetching good prices until the competition arrives. Betta be quick about it then! As fer me, I\'m getting me one (a ps2) fer christmas, cuz my nanna is the best nanna in the world! My Xbox will arrive through .... various connections.

Originally posted by Avatarr

Jumpman, Tortoldyle, I implore you to rid yourselves of undue inclinations and consider Vivi\'s point of view. If anything, his/her attitude will inequivocally put her in a better position in terms of the value he/she has gained from the money he/she has spent. (can Vivi please specify if he/she is a he or she; this "he/she" thing is getting out of hand.)

He\'s my point of view- go **** yourself. I\'ll do what I want to do, and you can keep believing Xbox will be a revolionary console.

My choice is the GameCube because I simply love Nintendo\'s first and second party games to death. If I ever get another console, which depends on how well GameCube\'s software will be, then I\'ll make that choice later, not now. But I\'ll most likely trick my parents into getting PS2 by saying we need a DVD player. Xbox\'s titles simply don\'t interest me like NGC and PS2 titles. BUt if they somehow turn out to be better than PS2 games, then I\'ll get an Xbox instead.

Don\'t like my decision? Tough. And please don\'t start wiht the " more words from a ignorant and blind fanboy" argument again; it\'s old.