Does the [Enter Console Here] have what it takes to compete this fall?

Originally posted by Krimson
Quite foolish of you to sell MS\'s marketing short Jumpman... Munch, Halo, Blood Wake and DoA3 and any Sega game could sell great with good marketing.

Yeah but the thing is I don\'t know how well Microsoft can advertise. I know that Sony is good at hyping games, and I know Nintendo is the king at it but I\'m unsure of how MS will handle their killer titles this fall. I don\'t see people going crazy over any of those games simlpy because they\'re not well recongnized. Munch might sell well, but I doubt it will match the sales of MGS2 or Luigi\'s Mansion.

Originally posted by Jumpman

Yeah but the thing is I don\'t know how well Microsoft can advertise...

Which is why you shouldn\'t write them off yet. They have a \'X\'. lots of black, lots of games, great technology. If they have the right ad firm doing it, these ingredients can have the mainstream eating out of MS\'s hands. (I know some of that stuff is stupid, but the mainstream can be swayed by superficial things..)

Originally posted by Krimson


Which is why you shouldn\'t write them off yet. They have a \'X\'. lots of black, lots of games, great technology. If they have the right ad firm doing it, these ingredients can have the mainstream eating out of MS\'s hands. (I know some of that stuff is stupid, but the mainstream can be swayed by superficial things..)

I\'m not writing them off, I\'m just stating what I think will happen, and quite frankly I don\'t think MS can compete with Sony and Nintendo this fall but I could easily be wrong. And giving our opinions on what might happen was the whole point of this thread right?

Originally posted by Jumpman

And giving our opinions on what might happen was the whole point of this thread right?

*Sigh* I suppose :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Tshirts
The best purchase this year will definitely be the PS2. No questions asked!

Hits like Jax and Dexter, FFX, MGS2, Silent Hill 2, Xenosaga, Wild arms 3, Legend of Lagaia, Soul Reaver 2, Jade Cocoon 2, GT3, Klonoa 2 will be the driving force of the system for this year and probably the year after that. World domination is guaranteed for a brief moment.
*Passing on the magic ball to the next recipient*

not even half those titlse are gonna be hitting this fall.

1) FFX hits NEXT year in febuary.
2) XenoSaga has yet to be announced but I seriously doubt it will be out before FEb.
3) Legend of Legaia 2 not announced but not this year I bet.
4) And Wild ARms 3 in not announced and doubtful this year as well.

by bob:
mebbe in america...i was under the impression the XBox wasnt going to be released for quite some time everywhere else

well...hits  America first....two weeks later JApan and Europe get it in SPRING 2002!  Not a huge difference is it;) They will be hitting all the markets faster than any of the other consoles have.

 You act like the launches are YEARS apart....when the fact of the matter is....all these companies are only making so many consoles this year so no dominance can be set.  Nintendo OR sony are only going to  have a million consoles of their own systems to sell this year...so how the hell are they going to get a HUGE share of a 100 MILLION console market???  they are not....(were are talking about fall....yes I understand ps2 already has sold 10 million.....thats irreleveant to my point)

at a launch the most a company can get is 1% of the market...and thats not s***.....and thats only IF they sell out.  So like I said 3 days.....whoop di do!!

When is Europe getting Gamecubes by the way?  I dont think they will be beating xbox to that market dude.....mabe im wrong:D  Nintendo has ALWAYS had shortages...So I doubt they will beat xbox to that market.  

NINTENDO is NOT having a WORLD LAUNCH!!!

Some of you are acting like they will.:rolleyes:

When is Europe getting Gamecubes by the way? I dont think they will be beating xbox to that market dude.....mabe im wrong Nintendo has ALWAYS had shortages...So I doubt they will beat xbox to that market.

At E3, they said GameCube would be released in Europe sometime in February or March at the latest. I remember reading this at Computer&Videogames.com a while ago. I can\'t find the link but I\'m definitely not pulling this out of the air. Looks like Nintendo has the early lead over MS again. Remember, Sept 14 is the initial launch for the Cube in Japan. MS will need a lot of killer games if they want to catch up with Nintendo and Sony by then.

by bob:
its also competing against the PS2, with stronger developer support, more games, more franchises etc. etc.

stronger developement support?  LOL  It look to me they are about equal now!  and again what franchises dude???  they barely got THREE and your boosting like they got 50???

by bob:
your saying the GC wont sell out? I think GC will easily sell out, hardcore fans alone will make sure of that, by the time hardcore fans stop buying it, the better games will be well on their way. But i do have doubts about whther or not the XBox will sell out

I didnt say the GC wont sell out...hardcore fans will surley make sure it will.  But hardcore fans will not make the difference....adverage consumer fans will.  And GC will not have enough quality titles at launch to get these buyers excited.  Go look at the luanch library on there site and the tell me otherwise....remember ...we are talking about fall...THIS YEAR!! and there is NO zelda this year...there is NO Perfect Dark this year....pikmin just aint going to do it for people.

by bob:

umm...PS2 and NGC are brand new consoles....they have franchises...funny that

whats funny is how you thought you could get away with "twisting xbox\'s words.  You know what he meant.  when he said "new" console.....he meant TOTALLY new....NEVER hald a console before company.  PS was able to establish franchises with its good games.  Expect the same from xbox cause its going to happen.

by bob:
they will be good games, but as of yet, do not have the attention that are needed...GT3 has attention...those games are not up to that standard yet

BS....the attiontion part is true...but the console is not even out yet.  People knew barely ANY games for ps2 before its launch....stop setting double standards bob.  And Gt3 looks good but there are xbox games that are only 6 months in the works that have already lapped GT3.  check this out....I played Gt3 today (its out today here in ther us:D)  I want you to do a spin out and then check out the rims.....You will notice that they go from a 2d texture to a 3d texture.  Whats up with that?????  Car models in Gothem dont do that.  So to say these xbox games are not upto gt3\'s standards is bs.

You are tryong to compare a game thats been in developement for OVER three years to a games in developement for only 6 months??  If gothem already has better car models WITH damage....what do you expect from the final product??  You can only compare finished product to finish products dude.  I know I might be sounding like a hipocrite cause I just did that....but that was neccessary to prove to you that xbox games ARE living up to gt3 standards AND surpassing them.

by bob:
i thought Sony did have 56k support...and 56k is slightly more widely used worldwide than Broadband

this 56k thing is not an advantage dude...more people have it...yes that is true..but what the hell are you going to be able to play on it?  pong???  do you online game bob???  well I do!  and 56k is only good for turn based games.  for FPS it sucks....you might be able to get away with it in a few games but with the huge up in complexity in games....you gonna have to have ethernet...plain and simple.  Playing games with LAG sucks....and you are not going to realize it until YOU try to play a game with a 56k modem.  They were NOT designed to play games and thats OBVIOUS after you\'ve tried.

by bob:
still needs more support. As it stands developers are still unsure and are standing back to see how it performs. And are still supporting PS2 as its foremost console. So far anyway

notice you failed to name any other developers besides square and enix:D  cause you cant name any other developers they need that they dont already have dude.  And when square comes over you wont even have that.  Xbox has 250-300 developers.  how many do they need to please you bob? 1000?:rolleyes:  
There support rivals that of sony now....and thats all that matters.  The longer you hold onto that statement the more bais you look....You were saying this crap when xbox only had 150 developers.  Now they have just about double that....you can set that argument to rest bobo.

by Jumpman:
At E3, they said GameCube would be released in Europe sometime in February or March at the latest. I remember reading this at Computer&Videogames.com a while ago. I can\'t find the link but I\'m definitely not pulling this out of the air. Looks like Nintendo has the early lead over MS again.

early lead???what???  looks like you miss learning your seasons dude.  Cause Xbox hits europe in EARLY spring 2002.  Last time I checked Feb. and March were part of the spring season.....and notice that those are "EARLY" spring season dates.  

You\'ve proved nothing.  xbox will be hitting around that time as well. which means Gc might not even have a lead at all.

Originally posted by Soul_Reaver


early lead???what???  looks like you miss learning your seasons dude.  Cause Xbox hits europe in EARLY spring 2002.  Last time I checked Feb. and March were part of the spring season.....and notice that those are "EARLY" spring season dates.  

You\'ve proved nothing.  xbox will be hitting around that time as well. which means Gc might not even have a lead at all.

Let this be proof that Soul Reaver has the intelligence of a pearot.

by Jumpman:

Yeah but the thing is I don\'t know how well Microsoft can advertise. I know that Sony is good at hyping games, and I know Nintendo is the king at it but I\'m unsure of how MS will handle their killer titles this fall. I don\'t see people going crazy over any of those games simlpy because they\'re not well recongnized.

LOL...how well can they advertise?  MS is an advertising monster....as evidence of there OS.  and with 500 million dollars they are going to do the same thing they did with windows advertising wise(which is the most used OS in the world now).  Be Real....500 MILLION???  what do you think is going to happen?

Its very true that you dont see anything right now.....but you never see ads of consoles that are months away from being realesed.  Where were all the ps2 ads??  they didnt exist....
where are all the GC ads....??? they dont exist.

But just wait until one week of Xbox\'s release....BAM!!

you\'ll get a bombardment of ads....and Nintendo or sony will not be able to match what xbox does.  Sonys total ad campaign = 20 million,   and nintendo\'s = 10 million

Xbox could spend that in that one week and STILL have plenty of money to last them for the rest of the year.  Sony and nintendo have to "stretch their money" for an entire year!

Originally posted by Soul_Reaver


LOL...how well can they advertise?  MS is an advertising monster....as evidence of there OS.  and with 500 million dollars they are going to do the same thing they did with windows advertising wise(which is the most used OS in the world now).  Be Real....500 MILLION???  what do you think is going to happen?

Its very true that you dont see anything right now.....but you never see ads of consoles that are months away from being realesed.  Where were all the ps2 ads??  they didnt exist....
where are all the GC ads....??? they dont exist.

But just wait until one week of Xbox\'s release....BAM!!

you\'ll get a bombardment of ads....and Nintendo or sony will not be able to match what xbox does.  Sonys total ad campaign = 20 million,   and nintendo\'s = 10 million

Xbox could spend that in that one week and STILL have plenty of money to last them for the rest of the year.  Sony and nintendo have to "stretch their money" for an entire year!

More signs of speaking while intoxicated.

Your blowing this 500 million dollar advertising campaign totally out of proportion. I know Sony spends that much a year, and Nintendo spends 250million yearly. Also, that money is not for every year, it is for 18 months(I\'m talking about MS\'s campaign).

Now lets use our brains and turn 500 million into a yearly number. To do that, we must take 33% of of it. 500 divided by 3=166.7(rounded off). 500- 166.7= 333.3 ...which means MS is only speading 83.3 million dollars more than Nintendo spends yearly. LOL! NOT THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE! And your talking about Nintendo here. Wern\'t they the leaders of gaming for two straight generations? They know better than anyone how to advertise!

HA!

By using simple mathematical skills I proved that MS\'s marketing compaign isn\'t that big!!!WOO HOO!

Oh wait that should be commen knowledge...damn...

Oh yeah, GameCube\'s advertising compaign has already begun. That\'s also commen knowledge. I\'m not even going to tell you how Nintendo is advertising GameCube in mass numbers now because I wanna see you whine some more.

*go Jumpman. It\'s your birth-day. Go Jumpman. It\'s your birth-day*

Hey Soul Reaver, according to you, what\'s the first day of spring?

IT\'S MARCH 20 YOU IMBECILE! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I\'M LOVING THIS! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Originally posted by Soul_Reaver


LOL...how well can they advertise?  MS is an advertising monster....as evidence of there OS.  and with 500 million dollars they are going to do the same thing they did with windows advertising wise(which is the most used OS in the world now).  Be Real....500 MILLION???  what do you think is going to happen?

Its very true that you dont see anything right now.....but you never see ads of consoles that are months away from being realesed.  Where were all the ps2 ads??  they didnt exist....
where are all the GC ads....??? they dont exist.

But just wait until one week of Xbox\'s release....BAM!!

you\'ll get a bombardment of ads....and Nintendo or sony will not be able to match what xbox does.  Sonys total ad campaign = 20 million,   and nintendo\'s = 10 million

Xbox could spend that in that one week and STILL have plenty of money to last them for the rest of the year.  Sony and nintendo have to "stretch their money" for an entire year!

Sony and Nintendo don\'t NEED to advertise. There was almost no PS2 advertising, and judging by the incredible sales, they didn\'t need to at all. Nintendo and Playstation are so incredibly well known that advertising is completely unnecessesary. Microsoft REALLY needs the advertising because, while they are a very well known company, and they are known as many things by many people, but a gaming company is NOT the first thing people think when they hear Microsoft. Xbox has a very hard uphill battle, they are unknown and the odds are very much against them. They need that 500 million dollars to advertise.

And please, be honest with yourself. Windows is the most used OS because 99.9% of computers come with Windows pre-installed. Your only other choice is the incredibly overpriced Apple. Advertising has no effect whatsoever on Windows\' sales. If computers still had Windows 95 standard, no one would use 98 or ME. The only reason anyone does use 98 or ME is because they bought computers with 98 or ME on them already. Very few people bother to upgrade.

Microsoft is really new to advertising wholesale. For one thing, they mostly cater to businesses, and selling to businesses is very different from selling to a consumer. You rarely see a consumer-targeted MS ad. MS is going into a completely new and alien market, and they have almost no experience at what they are doing. They are not advertising giants at all.

Originally posted by Weltall



Sony and Nintendo don\'t NEED to advertise. There was almost no PS2 advertising, and judging by the incredible sales, they didn\'t need to at all. Nintendo and Playstation are so incredibly well known that advertising is completely unnecessesary. Microsoft REALLY needs the advertising because, while they are a very well known company, and they are known as many things by many people, but a gaming company is NOT the first thing people think when they hear Microsoft. Xbox has a very hard uphill battle, they are unknown and the odds are very much against them. They need that 500 million dollars to advertise.

Whoa!  PS2 was advertised up the wazoo!  For almost a year before it came out I was seeing commercials on TV.  Remeber the PS9 commercial?  There were others!  And the games are advertised a lot to, before the system even came out!  I even saw advertisements for PS2 in non-gaming magazines!

Are you kidding?  I didn\'t see one add for the PS2 on TV until the day before launch (I saw a TTT comercial right before DBZ).  Sony didn\'t advertise at all.  They let the hype sell the systems.