The PS2 Hard Drive will FAIL! It will bring down PS2 with it.

Originally posted by ssjTrunks
ok just on thing everything is gunna be fine sony is one of the largest componeys(spelling correct me if you will)in the world so dont worrie. we can all sleep at night knowing that sony has our gameing days planed...nuf said.

on = one
componeys = companies
spelling correct me = correct my spelling
dont = don\'t
worrie = worry
gameing = gaming
planed = planned

You asked for it!  

-first I would like to say what\'s up to all the ps2 lovers

-second I think that Gman2 maybe Bill Gates

-well I do wish the ps2 did come with a modem I think it is a sweet machine and I enjoy it very much what I think is that the more ps2 offers for it the better but by it\'s self it is still a sweet machine and Is the best we have right now. I think they made a very good video game console and is great for gaming and will just get better as they offer us things for our ps2

- I do agree with you that the Xbox will be very sweet but you can\'t say that the Ps2 is not a great machine.

Originally posted by Krimson
People are ignoring the (lack of) success of Multi Tap, Link cable and even the PocketStation.

Also, statistically, even a 2nd controller isn\'t boughten by a majority of casual gamers.

Krimson, I agree with most everything you posted, but did you just say "boughten\'???  LOL!

Anyway, I know most people on here are all in love with this system and will defend it to the end. And I think that blinds most people on here. I want the PS2 to make it just asa bad as (most) of you. I spent my money just like you did. But I am telling you ...and listen now.......THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE EXTERNAL HDD IS GOING TO SELL!. That’s it. Argue all you want but lets face facts. I think Krimsons 5% estimate may be just about right (if not a little high) And when they start making games that require it. Well all I can say is SEE YA!
Ok, now lets just say for argument that this thing DOES sell. Ok It sells and 80% of PS2 users buy it (lol!) Ok first be assured that Sony is not going to give this thing away. They dont give you an extra controller or memory card do they?? So thins thing ships and it sells. NOW, after you get all this stuff installed and working and you are all happy with it, now you want to play ONLINE.
Well now Sony, being the geniuses they are, release the BB MODEM! And now you have to buy THIS and hook it up. ARE YOU PEOPLE ON DRUGS????? Do you really think all this is going to work??? People are going to first buy a HDD and hook it up and THEN buy a modem????? Not to mention them ugliness and the amount of space it is going to take up having all the extra crap hanging off of your PS2! When the X-Box has it all packaged in one nice box. (sure there might me internal versions that you can install inside but how many people want to go opening up there PS2\'s and start screwing around inside) It\'s going to be ugly as hell looking. Instead of one nice box you will have 3! This is never going to work people. The only way Sony is going to save there asses is to either release a NEW version of PS2 with everything included and installed internally (which will piss every CURRENT PS2 owner off) or release PS3 with this all included in a few years. I believe this system has a LOT to offer just by itself, but if they launch these things and start requiring these items, they are  going to kill it.



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Wow, quite a few topics on the HD since the announcement..

Add-ons have never worked and I don\'t see one compelling reason Sony\'s can be more succesful then previous attempts by Atari, Sega, Nintendo, etc. Sega was very popular in the 16bit era and no one really cared about the CD / 32X (I bought \'em tho. ). Nintendo\'s 64DD was a terrible failure and the expansion pack wasn\'t that popular, I mean, Conker\'s Bad Fur Day didn\'t even support it, I don\'t believe.
Jumpman or any other Nintendo fan can correct me there, if I am wrong.

If people don\'t have to buy it or it isn\'t extremely cheap, then they won\'t buy it. The only "add-on" you can always sell is memory cards.

People have already paid $300 dollars for a console. Most do not want to pay $150 for an add-on that may or may not be used by developers. That would bring the console price up to $450. This is simply unacceptable in the console area. The casual gamer, does not want to invest all this money into something that alot of people still look on as "casual entertainment" or "toys". They much rather take that $150 dollars and buy three games that they can enjoy.

As for the suggestion that Sony could bundle the HD later and give it away free. Bad idea. If they bundle the HD and price the system with HD at $300, people who stood out in line for the PS2 launch a year ago will be severely pissed off at Sony and it will hurt their consumer base ALOT. I\'m not saying they won\'t do it, but if they do, alot of people will be upset with Sony, when they go and pay another $150 for the HD and a friend who waited for the PS2 buys the PS2 unit and the HD together for $300.

Sony can also not market the HD and PS2 unit together for the price of $450. The general consumer would go up to the Eb guy or whatever ask if they needed the HD or if they could just buy the PS2 unit itself for $300. If the HD was not a must (and it won\'t be) they would skip that package all together and just buy the stand alone PS2 unit package for $300 or less (if there is indeed a price drop).

Also if MS targets the HD situation as a marketing ploy, see\'ing as they include the HD with the Xbox, it could effect sales quite a bit. Will people want to pay another $150 when they see that MS could include the HD with their system for the price of the now standard $300? I doubt it. They will feel as if Sony is "nickel and diming" them to death.

Finally, if Sony does indeed plan on upgrading the HD size every year, they will create mass market confusion and alot of people will take the "I\'ll wait \'till next year" approach and probably never actually pick it up.

Will it bring the PS2 down? NO! Can it hurt Sonys\' reputation? Yes. Anytime a company has a failure it sticks with gamers and hurts the reputation slightly. Sega\'s mistake was two add-on failures on one console. If Sony has just one add-on failure this generation, it shouldn\'t effect them that much. The Pope himself would have trouble marketing this add-on.

Sony rules..............

Originally posted by Bossieman
Sony rules..............

Yes, they do. But they aren\'t perfect. This HDD plan is a mistake the way they\'re doing it.

The system itself will fail, but only to the people who don\'t buy the HDD.


And of course it would be expensive in Japan. Everything there is expensive. Its a very weathly country. PS2 there was $400 dollars in U.S. money, and it was $300 dollars in the U.S. I expecta price drop about $10-$50.

the way i see it, sony will have to take huge losses,(for a good cause, because the internet gaming industry is booming)and couple it with certian titles (FFXI, Dropship?)

or, have it fail miserably.

there are only a few choices one can make..

i keep telling everyone that the Sony\'s add-on\'s won\'t fail compared to past console add-on\'s,guess we\'ll see when it debuts in Japan (for starters)...there\'s more sucess going for it than against because like someone pointed out,it is prime time now (especially with the majority of pc games used majorily for online use nowdays) for such things. everyone i know with a PS2 expresses they wish to play online like me,without some use of storage (i actually would prefer the use of memory cards with much larger memory capacity,but i\'m pretty sure that technology would take longer to impliment at the moment and probably cost more overall) for online connectivity,it would be a shallow offering...storage is necessary,so it won\'t fail just because of this reason alone.

Oh and this belongs in Console Debating.

how does this belong there? it is strictly a PS2 subject. did i miss something?  :sconf:

man...all this talk about the hard drive and the dang thing hasn\'t even been released in Japan yet...and people are already coming to the conclusion that it\'s gonna fail. Just because all the addons sega made failed doesn\'t mean the hard drive is gonna fail. i\'m gonna get the hard drive the day it\'s released. the price doesn\'t matter to me.

Originally posted by ps2_mike
man...all this talk about the hard drive and the dang thing hasn\'t even been released in Japan yet...and people are already coming to the conclusion that it\'s gonna fail. Just because all the addons sega made failed doesn\'t mean the hard drive is gonna fail. i\'m gonna get the hard drive the day it\'s released. the price doesn\'t matter to me.

Go ahead and waste over $100 to make a few games load faster.

Originally posted by Krimson


Go ahead and waste over $100 to make a few games load faster.

I\'m buying it because of the 40GB hard drive... don\'t care about the fast loading. Don\'t come to conclusions too fast

Originally posted by ps2_mike


I\'m buying it because of the 40GB hard drive... don\'t care about the fast loading. Don\'t come to conclusions too fast

Errrr... and you\'ll do what with the 40 gigs? Toss out your memory card? Hope that eventually some game uses it for mor than fast loading? Sounds like a waste to me... you could get 2 or 3 games instead...

lol...there is alot to do with 40GB\'s on the internet...think about it for awhile. You got one thing correct and that is people will a HD won\'t have to worry about memory cards. I\'m sure most people collect mp3\'s....after a period of time your hard drive space goes down and down.  And what about stuff like for instance EA make\'s rosters updates for Madden NFL 2002 and you would like to store these roster updates on your hd incase you might need them at a later time or just e-mail them to somebody. What if a company makes new downloadable levels for there game which is probably gonna happen.

Originally posted by ps2_mike
lol...there is alot to do with 40GB\'s on the internet...think about it for awhile. You got one thing correct and that is people will a HD won\'t have to worry about memory cards. I\'m sure most people collect mp3\'s....after a period of time your hard drive space goes down and down.  And what about stuff like for instance EA make\'s rosters updates for Madden NFL 2002 and you would like to store these roster updates on your hd incase you might need them at a later time or just e-mail them to somebody. What if a company makes new downloadable levels for there game which is probably gonna happen.

I\'d still rather get the games.

I dont like any games that have rosters, so I could care less about that.

MP3s played on your tv? Whats the point? Like a smart person, I burn mp3s to cdrs... listen to them in a stereo...

I have a few dozen games and plenty of space on my memory card... I don\'t see that being a problem...

Hey, you\'ll get what you want, but from my point of view its a waste. And I don\'t see it catching on in the mainstream.