PS2 #1, but who will be #2?

Originally posted by ViVi


Hahahahahah!

Use my brain?! You didn\'t give me proof! Wheres the link?

Dammit! I said it wasn\'t proof. What link? The things MS and Kojima said are well known.  And nothing I said was funny. Use your brain and reread my post. If it still doesn\'t make sense, remove current brain and insert working one.

And jedi... there will never be any patches for XB games.

Originally posted by Krimson


Dammit! I said it wasn\'t proof. What link? The things MS and Kojima said are well known.  And nothing I said was funny. Use your brain and reread my post. If it still doesn\'t make sense, remove current brain and insert working one.

And jedi... there will never be any patches for XB games.

I thought it was funny in a sarcastic way.

Defend you\'re statement that there will be no patches for XB games.  You mean to tell me, that even though xbox has a hard drive, that it won\'t utilize it to fix errors in games found after production?

Originally posted by Troglodyte


I thought it was funny in a sarcastic way.

Defend you\'re statement that there will be no patches for XB games.  You mean to tell me, that even though xbox has a hard drive, that it won\'t utilize it to fix errors in games found after production?

Yes, I\'m saying that. MS has explicitly said so. PS2 is turning into more of a PC than XB ever could be.

Accually my IQ is 151 just to let you know. Now on to this disscussion. Microsoft hasn\'t done anything to help the console industry yet. They have made a controller that takes a little bit off of the other 3, that controller doesn\'t have any innovation to it. Now they are PAYING developers to make games for the XBox. The XBox will might have patches, I maybe wrong. But patches could easily show up. I meant not to get yelled at for posting something like that because I wasn\'t going to try even to defend it because it wasn\'t based on anything we know about yet ok? "This can happen anytime you have a Harddrive."

Originally posted by Krimson


Yes, I\'m saying that. MS has explicitly said so. PS2 is turning into more of a PC than XB ever could be.

Excuse me, but don\'t computers come with a hard drive initially?  Hmmm, like xbox?  Does PS2 require the use of a hard drive?

Where did xbox say "no patches?"

Oh, and Mr. Master, if IQ has anything to do with it, then why don\'t we send a letter to "Ask Marilyn?"

Quotes from Jedi Master.

I hate it when fanboys make these topics.

If you hate these topics, why are you posting in them?

PS: Notice that the uninformed don\'t know how to write sentences with capital letters at the beginning and leaving out some of the periods.

Oh please, what are you doing talking about grammar?

The FF series has been losing its touch

Are these your true thoughts, or are you just regurgitating what you have heard others say?

GT3 looks good but.... It only has 6 cars on the track so they sacrifice the gameply of having 8 cars to getting the graphics pushed out of it. Yes I know GT3 has always had 6 cars but I personally like 8 or more.

Here you go once again milking this old tired excuse.  I can\'t really argue with it, since it\'s your opinion.  But I think you and I both know that that excuse is BS.

Now for the GC list of games:
Rogue Leader, Super Smash Brothers, Wave Race, Kameo. Eternal Darkness, Mario Kart, Too Human, Metriod Prime, Luigi\'s Mansion, Pikmin, Zelda, Mario, Donkey Kong

Rogue Leader has nice graphics and the gameplay will probably be decent too.  But I don\'t think it\'s a system seller.  

Eternal Darkness is a Resident Evil clone, with a few twists thrown in.  

I\'ve only seen FMV\'s of Too Human.  

Things haven\'t been looking good for Metroid.  Miyamoto himself wasn\'t satisfied with the way it\'s coming along.

Most people at E3 got the impression that Luigi\'s Mansion is boring.  

And those last three haven\'t even been shown yet.  

Those are just some of the exclusives that GC is getting. Also, Enix has openly said in the past that they\'re not happy with the design of the Playstation 2. Seemingly, it looks like they\'ll be coming home to Nintendo even if Yamauchi did refuse Square.

They also said that they are going to develop for the platforms with the largest user-base.   And we all know that the ps2\'s user-base is and will be larger than that of the Gcube.  Until Enix themselves officially say that they are developing for the Gcube, all those stories are just rumors.

That was in part of an article where 2 different sources which were both "highly reliable", said that Dragon Warrior is comming home to Nintendo, the GBA, and GameCube.

In other words, you heard a rumor that Enix was coming to the Gcube.

Accually my IQ is 151 just to let you know.

Just the fact that you would answer a question that stupid, shows that your IQ isn\'t 151. :cool:

Once again, I must jump in to this argument because someone is completely clueless on the subject of GameCube\'s software.

Rogue Leader has nice graphics and the gameplay will probably be decent too. But I don\'t think it\'s a system seller.

The fact that there is barely a difference between the quality of graphics of the movies and the game will make it a system seller. And how would you know if the gameplay is descent? I doubt you were at E3 so you can\'t say how good or bad the game will be.

 

Eternal Darkness is a Resident Evil clone, with a few twists thrown in.

LOL! Eternal Darkness is more than just a RE clone. It borrows a few elements but aside from that they\'re completely different . I\'ve already thoroughly why numerious times but this time I don\'t feel like repeating myself. Do the reaserch next time instead of making uneducated assumptions.

I\'ve only seen FMV\'s of Too Human.

But wasn\'t this title supposed to appear on PSX about a couple of years ago? Surely you remember some of it, after all, the game was hyped up a lot.

Things haven\'t been looking good for Metroid. Miyamoto himself wasn\'t satisfied with the way it\'s coming along.

How long was that ago? Problems do get solved you know. And I doubt Miyamoto would let Retro Studios release a not magnificant Metroid title.

Most people at E3 got the impression that Luigi\'s Mansion is boring.

Bull****. It had the second largest line of people waiting to play it(RL being the first). It couldn\'t of been that boring. :rolleyes:

I take it you don\'t know too much about GameCube\'s games. That\'s fine, but please don\'t say something you can\'t back. If your clueless on the subject then don\'t even bother saying anything about it next time.

Accually my IQ is 151 just to let you know. Now on to this disscussion. Microsoft hasn\'t done anything to help the console industry yet. They have made a controller that takes a little bit off of the other 3, that controller doesn\'t have any innovation to it. Now they are PAYING developers to make games for the XBox. The XBox will might have patches, I maybe wrong. But patches could easily show up. I meant not to get yelled at for posting something like that because I wasn\'t going to try even to defend it because it wasn\'t based on anything we know about yet ok? "This can happen anytime you have a Harddrive."

JediMasterbaiter since your new here let me say this. Psx2central is not IGN-forum so please stop talking through your ass. It\'s very obvious you not  familiar with all three consoles, I can see this from posts. Stay around read the threads, you will learn alot about all three consoles, then you can actually have something worthwhile to say. I still can\'t get over the fact that you think SONY/nintendo are in it for us, and that MS is only in it for the MONEY. LOL

The fact that there is barely a difference between the quality of graphics of the movies and the game will make it a system seller. And how would you know if the gameplay is descent? I doubt you were at E3 so you can\'t say how good or bad the game will be.

The graphics are nice, but I just can\'t see many people going crazy over it.  I guess I\'ll come back to this when the game actually comes out.  Then we\'ll see who\'s right.  

LOL! Eternal Darkness is more than just a RE clone. It borrows a few elements but aside from that they\'re completely different . I\'ve already thoroughly why numerious times but this time I don\'t feel like repeating myself. Do the reaserch next time instead of making uneducated assumptions.

I have read numerous reports on the game.  Sure they have thrown in a few new elements.  But when it\'s all set and done, it\'s RE with different time periods and overrated fog.

How long was that ago? Problems do get solved you know. And I doubt Miyamoto would let Retro Studios release a not magnificant Metroid title.

Now who\'s making assumptions?  I just love hypocrisy.

Bull****. It had the second largest line of people waiting to play it(RL being the first). It couldn\'t of been that boring.

Of course people lined up to play it.  It was the closest thing to a Mario game at the show.  But the fact still remains that many people have been saying that it gets really repetative real fast.

I take it you don\'t know too much about GameCube\'s games. That\'s fine, but please don\'t say something you can\'t back. If your clueless on the subject then don\'t even bother saying anything about it next time.

I know enough about the Gcubes games to know that I won\'t be missing much.  Maybe you should apply some of that criticism onto yourself, and don\'t make assumptions. :cool:

I  wish I could take that one post back but I can\'t now, listen, I was speculating on the patches, OK? I am not from the IGN Boards at all. I would never go there at all. I am fully familiar with the PS2, and the XBox. Rest Assured. That JediMasterbaiter thing was one of the most childish things I have ever seen any gamer do.

Microsoft hasn\'t done anything to help the console industry yet. They have made a controller that takes a little bit off of the other 3, that controller doesn\'t have any innovation to it. Now they are PAYING developers to make games for the XBox.

Have they helped the industry of video gaming yet? They might down the road but not yet. The controller doesn\'t have any innovation, I\'m sure many people will agree with me. It has an analog stick, 4 buttons on the left. a camera stick. A D-Pad, shoulder buttons. Its all been done before. The PS2 controller didn\'t bring much innovation because it was the same as the PSX so there is something there about not making any innovation but I guess it was kind of an innovation to stick with the same controller into the next console generation.

And is Microsoft paying developers, yes they are. They are using money to lure developers to their system. That way, if SEGA made the XBox its main Sports platform, they can easily port the games that were made for free over to the other consoles. Good, discussion closed.

Yes, everyone is in it to make money. Many other PC companies who make software and other big companies in the PC industry say that MS really screwed up the computer generation. They say we could have had the Internet in \'85 if it wasn\'t for MS. While that maybe true or not, I just don\'t want them to screw up the console industry. MS never said anything about No patches for XBox games so we will wait and see. With a harddrive, many things can happen. The best thing that it could give the XBox would be updates for the NvidiaNV25 (I can\'t remember the exact name of the chip ). Nvidia has always been increasing performance with their detonator drivers so I\'m pretty sure they will have some upgrade for it.

Since I am bored I guess I will reply to Kenny\'s post.

The graphics are nice, but I just can\'t see many people going crazy over it. I guess I\'ll come back to this when the game actually comes out. Then we\'ll see who\'s right.

I can go crazy over it right now, but that\'s just because I\'m a Star Wars fan. I haven\'t played it but just seen the low quality videos of it and even its hard to judge by those. I just know that this game is going to be a system seller. Over at the http://www.TheForce.net boards they will now buy the Gamecube just for Rogue Leader. But now that they have it they will probably eventually pick up Zelda, Too Human, and others. So yes, it will be a system seller.

Now who\'s making assumptions? I just love hypocrisy.

Kenny, you an I well know that Miyamoto would never released a game that he is watching and directing some of it over the pacific, and make it just flop. He has always gone for quality in games.

Of course people lined up to play it. It was the closest thing to a Mario game at the show. But the fact still remains that many people have been saying that it gets really repetitive real fast.

This all falls back upon the fact that, "What you saw at E3 [, of Luigi\'s Mansion,] was like just seeing the courtyard outside peaches castle in Mario 64" There\'s a lot more that we don\'t know.

I know enough about the Gcubes games to know that I won\'t be missing much. Maybe you should apply some of that criticism onto yourself, and don\'t make assumptions.

Actually Jumpman he does know some stuff about Gamecube games, but not enough to fully back his arguments. (Thats the best help you\'ll ever get from me Kenny, or maybe if you give up Evolutionism and the Big Bang, then that would be the best help.)

Here you go once again milking this old tired excuse. I can\'t really argue with it, since it\'s your opinion. But I think you and I both know that that excuse is BS.

I am an individual, I do have my opinion. If it was BS I wouldn\'t back it. For some people it matters if their care was made in 1998 or 1999. There are a whole lot of excuses that are there are that are BS. But mine isn\'t an excuse, mine is an opinion. Based on what I like. I rest my case.

Originally posted by Kenny--73

Rogue Leader has nice graphics and the gameplay will probably be decent too.  But I don\'t think it\'s a system seller.  
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I will buy this game just because i\'m a Starwars fan, an old Nintendo fan, and i like the Graphics. There system sold due to the game.



Eternal Darkness is a Resident Evil clone, with a few twists thrown in.  

There are a lot of clones of clones of clones.
It does not matter, just because some are clones dont\' mean they are worthless. They might add and improve a genre. Like Half-Life did to FPS IMO.


Most people at E3 got the impression that Luigi\'s Mansion is boring.  
 I read a lot of press from E3, and read posts about it, not heard this one... can you link to this ?

Originally posted by Troglodyte


Excuse me, but don\'t computers come with a hard drive initially?  Hmmm, like xbox?  Does PS2 require the use of a hard drive?

Where did xbox say "no patches?"

Oh, and Mr. Master, if IQ has anything to do with it, then why don\'t we send a letter to "Ask Marilyn?"

1-Yes. And usually a modem, so thats 1, 2. 2 pcish things for Xbox.

PS2 has a HDD and Adapter coming out, thats 1, 2. 2 for PS2. But wait, they\'re upgrades. You upgrade PC\'s, usually you dont consoles. Thats 3. And then theres Real Player, AOL, etc apps for PS2. Thats 4. 4 PC leanings for PS2 vs 2 for XB. That makes PS2 more PC like.

2-I\'m under the impression that a Xbox can\'t announce anything... it\'s just a console... As for MS saying it, Ed Fries has said it many times. You can imagine with all the idiots who think MS is just a PC company, that question\'s come up a few times... I\'m not looking for a direct link, but check out TeamXbox or MSXbox and look through the interviews, I\'m sure you\'ll find it.


Jedi... who cares about your IQ? And the fact that MS hasn\'t \'done anything\' is no reason to diss them. They, like Sony with PSone, deserve a chance. And its common sense to copy the best aspects of other controllers. Kinda like Sony ripping off SNES\'s and 64\'s controllers/features....

He just asked for it so I told him my IQ. I\'m just saying that MS hasn\'t added any innovation into the industry yet to really help it. Like I said, I wish I could take that post back but I can\'t.

Originally posted by Krimson


1-Yes. And usually a modem, so thats 1, 2. 2 pcish things for Xbox.

PS2 has a HDD and Adapter coming out, thats 1, 2. 2 for PS2. But wait, they\'re upgrades. You upgrade PC\'s, usually you dont consoles. Thats 3. And then theres Real Player, AOL, etc apps for PS2. Thats 4. 4 PC leanings for PS2 vs 2 for XB. That makes PS2 more PC like.

2- [blah blah blah]

Kinda like Sony ripping off SNES\'s and 64\'s controllers/features....

1, they come in a box, just like a PC
2, they make pictures on a screen, just like a PC
3, people use some sort of perifial in which to give input, and the system spits out output, just like a pc

obviously, this PC-like-console argument is flawed.

I hereby charge you to do the dirty work to find a link to prove to me that xbox said no patches.  (I\'m the one that needs to be convinced, and I don\'t like all that searching.)

Oh, and I thought the PS controller was out b/4 64?  Were there pressure sensitive buttons on the 64 controller?  How \'bout the snes controller?  What exactly did SONY take from snes and 64?

Sony took the shoulder buttons and doubled the amount of them, they took Nintendo\'s Analog stick and doubled the amount of those. Thats just what they took off. No bit deal. And I don\'t want to get into an arguemnt about it.