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« Reply #360 on: July 13, 2001, 08:19:11 PM »
Actually, I heard they had cornered AIDS down to some jungle man living alone with Crabs or Chlamydia and he screwed a moneky or something and wa la!

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« Reply #361 on: July 13, 2001, 08:24:36 PM »
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Actually, I heard they had cornered AIDS down to some jungle man living alone with Crabs or Chlamydia and he screwed a moneky or something and wa la!

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« Reply #362 on: July 13, 2001, 08:43:22 PM »
If you can\'t tell than there is no hope for you.


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« Reply #363 on: July 13, 2001, 10:52:44 PM »
While I could believe in a superior being (called God in lack of a better term); I\'d never believe in a heaven and hell. Those are manmade I think. But I can\'t proove that \'God\' exists/doesn\'t exist. But heaven/hell I couldn\'t believe in.
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« Reply #364 on: July 14, 2001, 12:22:26 AM »
Im not animal and if I was I wouldnt be a monkey I would be a polar bear cause nobody expects the polar bear

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« Reply #365 on: July 14, 2001, 12:28:44 AM »
I am not an animal, I am a human being.

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« Reply #366 on: July 14, 2001, 04:53:47 AM »
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Im not animal and if I was I wouldnt be a monkey I would be a polar bear cause nobody expects the polar bear

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« Reply #367 on: July 14, 2001, 04:56:55 AM »
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While I could believe in a superior being (called God in lack of a better term); I\'d never believe in a heaven and hell. Those are manmade I think. But I can\'t proove that \'God\' exists/doesn\'t exist. But heaven/hell I couldn\'t believe in.




Exactly, I don\'t believe that a rational and superior being “GOD” would have the need to torment or reward his creations after this life time. :D  I mean for some of us living on earth is either Hell already, or Heaven because we have 20 million dollars in our bank account.

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« Reply #368 on: July 14, 2001, 05:36:02 AM »
Ok... im not an expert on the bible or anything , but adam and eve lived in that garden , untill they disobeyed god and listend to the devil and ate the fruit. well i suspect that adam and eve were living in heaven , and then god sent them down to the land that had been created for the lesser animals , but when they die they go back up to the garden to be renewed . and i dont know if theres a religion that believes this but i do!
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« Reply #369 on: July 14, 2001, 07:32:46 AM »
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Ok... im not an expert on the bible or anything , but adam and eve lived in that garden , untill they disobeyed god and listend to the devil and ate the fruit. well i suspect that adam and eve were living in heaven , and then god sent them down to the land that had been created for the lesser animals , but when they die they go back up to the garden to be renewed . and i dont know if theres a religion that believes this but i do!


Well, Adam and Eve is in the Jewish and Christian faiths, and neither of them back up your statement, sorry.

And in regards to the KJV, in many passages it\'s translations are now considered mislead.  Even now the NIV has mistranslations.  It\'s all in the problems found in the ancient languages in which there is no true English equivalent.  There are benefits to KJV, but the most recent NIV, and the Living provide more accurate translations.  My own personal Bible is a Living version, with notes as to major translation conflicts and provides the alternatives.  Most rewarding.

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« Reply #370 on: July 14, 2001, 09:45:10 AM »
i read somewhere that scientists have found that all humans are 99.9% equal. that is interesting to me. i dont know why, but it is,
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« Reply #371 on: July 14, 2001, 10:01:06 AM »
I don\'t believe in Heaven or Hell either, and neither does my church.

I think it is silly that you would go to hell even if you never even heard of God (think China 100 years ago). In the Mormon faith there are 3 kingdoms + Outer Darkness.

The highest kingdom is the Celestial Kingdom. This is reserved for members of the church that have been faithful and have acted upon their faith through out their lives and have remained temple worthy throughout their lives. It is like the glory of the sun. God and His son live in the Celestial Kingdom.

The terrestial is of another glory. It is like the glory of the moon to the sun. It is of a lesser nature because The Father and the Son do not live in the kingdom.

The Telestial Kingdom is for those with faith but didn\'t do everything right, maybe never went to church. It is comparable to the glory of the stars to the sun.

Then you have outer darkness. It hasn\'t been revealed if it is a mental state (as in anguish for doing wrong) or an actual physical state, but it is reserved for those who deny the Holy Ghost after being given it by baptism and truly knew of the Holy Ghost, then turned it away.

All of that is in Corinthians 15, by the way. Of course that is from the KJV. The NIV and LB probably have it removed, moved, or altered to save face for the teachings of the church.

That is why we have baptisms for the dead. So those who have never gotten a chance to learn about the true church of Christ can learn in the afterlife and hopefully accept it, so they can live in the Celestial Kingdom, with Heavenly Father. Which is why we send missionaries across the world to teach in a nations and in all tongues (even now in China!).

BFTD is also in Corinthians 15 (KJV)


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« Reply #372 on: July 14, 2001, 10:13:24 AM »
First I\'d like to say that I haven\'t read the whole thread. Only the last page. Forgive me.

But these are my perceptions. I hope they do not insult anybody.
For me, the Bible is almost entirely symbolic. Especially the myth of creation. It has many common features with other creation myths of the world, and like the others, serves a symbolic purpose of explaining why the world is like it is in its time. For example, the creation of woman after man. This myth was created to justify the patriarchal (is that the correct term.) society of the past. The story of Eve is very similar to that of Pandora. It\'s the "curious" & "deceitful" nature of woman what causes horrible things in both. And, to no surprise, both were written by men.

I think we humans are animals. It\'s ridiculous, I think, to even suggest otherwise. What makes us different from other species? Our brains, culture? True, but our instincts are just like other animals\'. The meaning of our lives is to procreate. We eat, sleep, fight, look for a mate, have offspring, die. So what if we do a little thinking in the process, or even choose otherwise, like me. In the end it\'s all the same.

Back to religion. I believe that religion is an entirely personal subject. Perhaps due to the nature of my faith, which is difficult to explain because of my lacking skills in English. What I hate most are those people who try to force their beliefs onto other people. So what if others are living their lives "wrong". What gives u right to judge them? And why does it even bother u? No one knows exactly what in this world is "wrong" or "right", in moral questions. To me, wrong is anything that hurts other people or oneself. Anything else, fine by me. I do not believe in "sin". Thus, I do not think homosexuality, for example, is sin, for it does not (normally) hurt anyone.

Well now. That\'s about it. My point of view. U have a right for yours, I have mine.
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« Reply #373 on: July 14, 2001, 10:29:07 AM »
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. . . For example, the creation of woman after man. This myth was created to justify the patriarchal (is that the correct term.) society of the past. The story of Eve is very similar to that of Pandora. It\'s the "curious" & "deceitful" nature of woman what causes horrible things in both. And, to no surprise, both were written by men.

I think we humans are animals. . .

. . .What I hate most are those people who try to force their beliefs onto other people. So what if others are living their lives "wrong". What gives u right to judge them? And why does it even bother u? No one knows exactly what in this world is "wrong" or "right", in moral questions. To me, wrong is anything that hurts other people or oneself. Anything else, fine by me. I do not believe in "sin". Thus, I do not think homosexuality, for example, is sin, for it does not (normally) hurt anyone.


The main difference between Eve and Pandora is that Pandora was created as punishment for man.  Eve was created from companionship of man.  And man sinned just as much as women on the Adam/Eve story.

Humans are animals.  I agree.

Religion should not be pushed on anyone, just as science shouldn\'t be pushed on anyone.

The one thing I differ in your statement is on homosexuality.  I believe that is is a sin.  Sin can bring enjoyment and not hurt anyone, but it hurts the soul.  I\'ve been struglling with this for a while though.  I have a couple gay friends and I\'ve recently met a Trans-gender.  And the more I talk to them, the morte I realise that it is a sin, one that has been covered up quite well by Satan.  I also believ in original sin, so for the genetics argument, I\'m not buying it.  I really wish SmallLady didn\'t open up this "Pandoras Box" ;), but you want to know what I believe, and you got it!



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Please stop dissing all translations other than KJV!!!

1 Corinthians 15:29 (KJV)
"Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?"

1 Corinthians 15:29 (NIV)
Now if there is no ressurection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead?  If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?"

It says the same thing.  


Now, about baptizing for the dead:

"The present tense suggests that at Corinth people were currently being baptized for the dead.  But because Paul does not give any more information about the practice, many attempts have been made to interpret the concept.  Three of these are:
1) Living believers were baptized for believers who died before they were baptized, so that they too, in a sense, would not miss out on baptism.
2) Christians were being baptized in anticipation of the ressurection of the dead.
3) New converts were being baptized to fill the ranks of Christians who died.
At any rate, Paul mentions this custom almost in passing, using it in his arguments substaining the ressurection of the dead, but without necessarily approving of the practice.  Probably the passage will always remain abscure." - Kenneth Barker

So, there ya go.  It\'s a prcatice that is not intended for everyone, but done in a secluded part of the country.  I\'m not saying that you shouldn\'t, just that you shouldn\'t bash people for not doing it.

I also have a question about the rest of your post about Heaven/Hell, could you give me specific refferences to the different kingdoms you speak of?  Thanks.

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« Reply #374 on: July 14, 2001, 01:44:29 PM »
\'Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world.  If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews.  But now my kingdom is from another place."\'
--John 18:36

\'After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them.  "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky?  This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."\'

--Acts 1:9-11

\'Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?  Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.\'
--1 Corinthians 6:9-10
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