Every console Dissappoints.

Is it me, or are all the next gen consoles dissappointments so far?

Now, I know they are not all released yet, but so far, not one console inpresses me.

First, we have the Dremcast. It has great graphics, sound, and most importantly:Great games. But it is still a dissappointment, mainly because it simple didn\'t sell. I know that sales don\'t really determine how great a console is, but now Sega is dead as a console munfacturer, there is very litle comming support to the Dreamcast (except Shemue 2)

Then, the PS2. At it\'s launch, it had low visual quality, and still does. Even GT3 isn\'t breathtaking....the reflections, lighting and cars are great, but not much else.

The games I have on my PS2 currently are nice diversions, but nothing as great as I had hoped...all my favorite N64, PSone, Dreamcast and PC games beat them hands down in the gameplay/immersion/storyline department. I know it will get better, but I don\'t expect to wait 2 years for my conoles to get any decent games.

Now the GameCube. Yes, I know it isn\'t released, but I don\'t like what I see. The new Zelda looks terrible (in my opinion) and makes we want to vomit whenever I see it. And, all developers are saying Nintendo clearly are aiming for the kiddie market. I want an all-round console, with adult and non adult games, not just cutesy games (Zelda and Starfox were NEVER this cutesy) Resident Evil:0 had no cocerage, and Eternal Darkness is one game. There is no news on PD2 either...... Where\'s the Nintendo innovation? Cel shading is old, Pikimin is just a cutey stratagey game, Luigi\'s Mansion is very simple...ect. I hope it gets better.


The X-Box is very mysterious at the moment. I don\'t know how it will turn out, but no games intrest me at the moment and it had an awful E3. It is the most powerful console, but power doesn\'t make a great console. It also doesn\'t have enough exclusives at the moment.  


That is the end of my rant. Many of you won\'t agree with things I said I imagine, so get disscussing.

so what i made out of that is that the main reason u think all of the consoles are dissapointments is  having something to do with the graphics or genre.  Take your favourite games and picture them with bad graphics, would u still like them? I know i would because the reason those games are my favourite is not because of the graphics, it is because of the great gameplay.  While nintendo may have some kiddie games, that does not mean they wont be great, i dont get how the look of a character can change the gameplay.  If Cloud looked like a pansy in FF7 would that make the game suck? hell no.

i agree with the thread starter...

ive been extremely dissapointed with everything...

and so far,  ive enjoyed the dreamcast the most...
it had great games,  great support from 3rd parties,  and the textures are light years beyond the ps2\'s texture capabilities....plus it wasnt jaggy like the ps2 was....but thanks to
the poor support from gamers,  the system died.

now were stuck with the ps2 whose textures suck (like i mentioned earlier) and its jaggy...
the games are starting to get better and im intrigued with the fall line-up,  but its been about a year since it launched in the U.S. and now is when the games are shaping up...the dc was kicking ass since the begining...

then theres the xbox which is powerful as hell,  but no games interest me except for the arcade fighters (which we could get on all consoles) and ofcourse Jet Set Radio which sega is doing...other than that (and those cool looking menus),  im not impressed at all...

then ofcourse theres the gamecube which im not even gonna drop money on cause nintendo can shove their todder games up the ass....

in the end,  its not \'all about the gameplay\' because whats the point of a system pulling millions of polygons and sharp looking textures if youre gonna model a block with a blurry texture on it?

for that ill just enjoy my snes all over again or invest on a gameboy advance where the graphics wont get any better than 2d on a tiny dark screen....

as an artist,  i want awesome visuals in gaming,  combined with an intriguing story line or plot and a kickass gameplay system design.....you give me a game with great gameplay but ass looking visuals and i wont play it...you give me a game with awesome graphics but sh*tty ass gameplay and i wont play it either....and finally,  you give me a game with awesome graphics and great gameplay but a boring as hell story,  and well,  ill get bored and wont wanna play it either...
so there you have it...you need the combination....ofcourse a killer soundtrack and fx just give games the finishing touch...

im sick and tired of hearing people saying that \'its all about the gameplay\' because its all BS...
if these nex gen systems had n64 graphics,  people would be pist because it would be a waste of time and money...for that we could stay playing the low rez,  low poly,  blurry,  stuttering n64 (which i returned 9 days after purchase cause it sux.)

anyways,  rip me if you all want but this is my opinion and as much as im gonna end up owning all 3 systems,  DC , PS2 and Xbox..i am dissapointed in all of them because with a bit more effort,  specially on the ps2 side,  we couldve had 3 near perfect systems.

and i dont toss in the gamecube in there cause nintendo aint getting my support anymore after their childish unveiling at space world.

have at you flamers...

I too agree with CS2x.

Let\'s face it, I think the Dreamcast spoiled too many people. Amazing what that \'dead\' and \'weak\' system managed to do. My excitement for getting the DC was much higher than when I was getting the PS2. In fact, when Polyphony finally posted their updated shots of GT3, that\'s when I decided to give the PS2 a chance. But I\'m straying from the topic.

Up to this point, I\'ve been disappointed by each of the system\'s showings. This generation is nothing like I had imagined.

The Dreamcast which overall offered the most, IMO, was dead on arrival thanks to SEGA\'s reputation and jaded gamers. It offers the best bang for your buck, and the specs of that now deceased system isn\'t too great (compared to today\'s power).

But I think the problem here is simple, we expect too much. When Sony says the PS2 can do Toy Story in real-time and M$ says the X-box is 3x more powerful than the PS2, your expectations increase. Whether you believe their lies or not, you sorta-kinda want to. What are we to expect of today\'s consoles? FF: The movie type visuals? Not quite. Not in a $200-$300 console.

So what do people expect?

/ dm /

Originally posted by datamage

But I think the problem here is simple, we expect too much. When Sony says the PS2 can do Toy Story in real-time and M$ says the X-box is 3x more powerful than the PS2, your expectations increase. Whether you believe their lies or not, you sorta-kinda want to. What are we to expect of today\'s consoles? FF: The movie type visuals? Not quite. Not in a $200-$300 console.

So what do people expect?

/ dm /

Maybe I´m different than other gamers: I like it when games improve over a console`s lifetime (It`s true PS2 started off slowly in visuals - but there`s a good chance of improvement considering the architecture).
It`s OK for me...I play the best games out this generation and wait for the next.

Originally posted by macabre


Maybe I´m different than other gamers: I like it when games improve over a console`s lifetime (It`s true PS2 started off slowly in visuals - but there`s a good chance of improvement considering the architecture).
It`s OK for me...I play the best games out this generation and wait for the next.

mee too, i enjoyed watching jet moto go from jet moto1 to jet moto3. crash bandicoot also became better, and medal of homor looks quite similar to the ps2 medal of homor:frontline.

you have any examples?

Yeah I agree.

Another point which hasn\'t been raised is the scattering of the systems. You have all heard of "the grass is greener on the other side of the fence" well it seems true now.

When DC was out a lot of people waited for PS2. Then that came out and its a wait for X-Box and Gamecube.

It puts us comsumers on the poor end of things. Prehaps each company is satisfied with just a small chunk of the market for a year or so but for us comsumers it means we will always be wondering if the next console is going to be any good - better due to it being newer and more powerful technology.

I wonder who would have been winning now if all the consoles were released together back when the Dreamcast was released? That seems so long ago now its like the Dreamcast hasn\'t been part of this generation.

The same sort of thing is happening with the PS2. Due to the delay of the X-Box in Japan us European gamers could see the X-Box in over a years time. Is the PS2 then in the same generation when its been out for 2 years ?

I think the problem is that we all expect the best stuff from the start to the end.  Unfortunately, like the PSX, the Saturn, the N64, the SNES, the Genesis, and just about every console in existence, the best games do not come until mid way or the end of a console\'s life span, unless that span of time is irrevocably short EG: DC, 3DO, etc.  If you expect the highest caliber from the start, then you will be dissapointed.  Plain and simple.  It\'s like Windows 3.1... did you all think that was the best the PC market had to offer ever?  Come on, give the developers a chance here.  The great games are coming, just have the patience to wait for them.  Did you all really think that Battle Arena Toshinden would be the best graphics the PSX could pull off when it was released?  I thought not.

i think the term generation is classifies on certain aspects of the console.  last "gen, the consoles were kinda split, the psx had a 32 bit processor, while the N64 had a 64 bit one. this gen the 128 bit processor is the standard. x box has a 128 bit gpu processor, and a 32 bit P3 at 700, so it has that, while the gc has the flipper and a 128 bit processor, while the ps2 has the 128bit emotion engine,and the three vector units, and a gpu.


i think gen is used in overall use of consoles. last gen, 3d was the big deal. now its better graphics, i dont se it being set by years..

I think some of you have expectations that are way too high.  

Like Ryu said, you shouldn\'t be expecting the game to end all games to come out on launch day.  That\'s just not realistic.  If you just wait, then the good games will come, and before you know it there will be too many AAA games for you to count at the end of the generation.  I would know, since I\'m experiencing that now with the PSX.

Originally posted by Falcon4


mee too, i enjoyed watching jet moto go from jet moto1 to jet moto3. crash bandicoot also became better, and medal of homor looks quite similar to the ps2 medal of homor:frontline.

you have any examples?

I also remember: In the first 2 years of PSX there was not even one game that was fully 3D and everybody said it was impossible to do until games like Soul Reaver ans Spyro came out.

Yeah ive been dissappointed with all the systems also, I was really disappointed in the dreamcast, a lot of people say its awesome but I thought it sucked and I still think it only has a few good games, and I didnt buy my ps2 till january so Im not to dissappointed with it, ive had a steady flow of good games with it

The games are getting better nobody can dispute that.

There\'s no switch to be flipped; it\'s just going to take a little time.

BUT I HATE IT WHEN YOU PLAY A GAME WITH PANSY CHARACTERS IN IT.

Well I was not dissappointed with my dreamcast. Because sega really never hyped it up as being the next piece of sliced bread. I think for all the hype that went into ps2 it was a disppointement too ppl. I think they just expected to much.


I mean PS2 has only been judged graphical wise. I mean back in the atari/nes/snes/Megasystem days I was never dissappointed with my console because back then it was not being judge bye it\'s graphical power only.

But bye it\'s quality of great games. All I wanted was good games I didn\'t care what they looked like. Now the first thing that comes up when someone ask about a console is how many polys can this system push max.  

I love graphics and expect awesome graphics and ps2 has showed great graphical power I mean the bouncer was beautiful. And so was Doa hc, TTT, and TMB. i MEAn Ps2 games are showing graphical power. I mean ppl want realism this generation you have to be crazy.

Originally posted by Ryu
Did you all really think that Battle Arena Toshinden would be the best graphics the PSX could pull off when it was released?  I thought not.

you make a good point there ryu,  but actually,  as much as i had no idea how awesome psx games were gonna look in the future,  i was blown away with their first line up cause it felt like a new generation had stepped into play...

toshinden did look impressive at first...so did the wipeout demo with ace combat and philosoma and jumping flash...warhawk and resident evil came out not long after that and were outstanding...

same goes for the dreamcast which released mad titles at first which looked and played great.....such as soul caliber and  sonic plus code veronica and doa2 which were released a few months after.

the launch titles for ps2 werent convincing,  and so far for the xbox is the same story (which is unfair to judge cause its not out yet)....

i guess its all about the overhype....we tend to expect more than what we get because we\'re told that it will be that and more,  but really isnt... (try and make sense out of that one)