Hello

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Author Topic: WAR - What kind of war will it be?  (Read 1246 times)

Offline ##RaCeR##
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4963
  • Karma: +10/-0
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« on: September 14, 2001, 02:28:30 AM »
Will it be nuclear? Will it be like Vietnam with troops, or will it be air strikes and raids???

Am I the only person that is worried that the US could get carried away with nuclear weapons? Maybe I have watched too many movies, but just HOW powerful are some weapons that may be used? I have heard there are some that could wipe the whole of Japan (in size) off the planet!!

Is this true? I mean, the 1 megaton bomb only really has a radius fire of about 15Km/8Miles!

Is this true? Have I seen too many movies?

Offline Samwise
  • Moderator
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 12129
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://151.200.3.8/~vze29k6v/you.html
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2001, 02:39:53 AM »
The horrible thing about neclear weapons is not only the gigantic force of impact, but also the (many) years to come where the affected area will be uninhatible (sp?) because of radiation. They\'re deadly for years. :(

Ever watch images from the nuclear bombings in Japan in WWII? They killed people in the hundreds of thousands. Now we have weapons many times bigger...
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAPETIME!
(thanks Chizzy!)

Offline fastson
  • Keyser Söze
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7080
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2001, 03:33:45 AM »
Yes and dont forget the radioactive downfall that can affect countries far, far away..

Like Kernobyl spread to sweden, denmark and even greenland I think..
Ironic that a Swedish powerplant were the once that detected the radioactive downfall.. So they thought that they had a leak and closed the plant..
Then the russians admited that they had a meltdown.

You know children in Nagasaki are still born with cancer and other sicknesses.
\"Behold, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed\"
-Axel Oxenstierna 1648

Offline Darth Joyda
  • Replicant Dreamer
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4534
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2001, 03:52:07 AM »
Nuclear weapons are far too great to be used.

They\'re weapons only meant for mass destruction - I don\'t even want to think how many people the hiroshima/nagasaki bombings have killed; as in the past half century there has been MANY dead babies due to it...
[FONT=\"Impact\"][SIZE=\"4\"][COLOR=\"SlateGray\"]\"If only you could see what I have seen with your eyes\"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

Offline CygnusXI
  • Wise Member

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1757
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2001, 04:00:39 AM »
Whatever form it takes, I as an American fully support it!!!!!

There is NO POSSIBLE comparison to Vietnam. We entered Vietnam under false or at the least shaky pretext. THIS war is due to a direct attack on our land. FULL SUPPORT must come from all Americans, or in my eyes you are a traitor!

Nukes now are very versitle. Their are low yeild tacticle weapons which would work just fine.
FFXI Trebcyggy, Unicorn
52 Rdm-29Bst-29Whm-15Thf

Offline Darth Joyda
  • Replicant Dreamer
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4534
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2001, 04:11:17 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by CygnusXI
Whatever form it takes, I as an American fully support it!!!!!

There is NO POSSIBLE comparison to Vietnam. We entered Vietnam under false or at the least shaky pretext. THIS war is due to a direct attack on our land. FULL SUPPORT must come from all Americans, or in my eyes you are a traitor!

Nukes now are very versitle. Their are low yeild tacticle weapons which would work just fine.


Like I said, I, as non-american, can not understand the feelings there. And yes, 91% of americans are ready for war and fully supporting Bush.

I, as a distant finn, hope for peace - but perhaps I\'d agree if I\'d be american.

Anyways, I can\'t comment on this subject; as I can\'t possibly understand...
[FONT=\"Impact\"][SIZE=\"4\"][COLOR=\"SlateGray\"]\"If only you could see what I have seen with your eyes\"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

Offline Samwise
  • Moderator
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 12129
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://151.200.3.8/~vze29k6v/you.html
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2001, 04:29:52 AM »
Here\'s an eye witness report from the Hiroshima bombing. Very scary stuff:

August 6, 1945, I was fourteen years old, in my second year of middle school. I was standing in the schoolyard 1.4 kilometers from the hypocenter with about 150 other students. Suddenly, with a tremendous roar, everything went pitch black. At length, the smoke cleared and I could see the schoolyard again. I had been blown backward about 10 meters by the blast. My classmates toohad been blown forward, backward, left or right. They were fallen and scattered all around. The school building was a low pile of rubble. The surrounding houses had also vanished. Except for a few large buildings in the distance everything had vanished. For an instant I thought, "The whole city\'s gone!"

As I came to my senses, I examined my own body. My uniform was burned to shreds. I had serious burns on the back of my head, my back, both arms, and both legs. The skin of both of my hands had peeled off and was dangling down on strips, revealing raw, red flesh underneath. Pieces of glass were protruding from my body in several places. Suddenly, I was attacked by an unfamiliar sense of horror. In a matter of minutes I was heading for the river as fast as I could go.
Not long on my way, I heard someone calling my name. Looking around, I saw my classmate Tatsuya Yamamoto. We used to walk to school together every day. Now, he was seeking help, crying, "Mama, Mama...help me!" I said, "Stop crying! We just have to get out of here!" And with me alternating between scolding and encouraging, we fled together toward the river.

I saw a line of survivors looking dazed, dragging their legs wearily and pressing toward me. Their peeled arms dangled oddly in front of them, and their clothes were in tatters. Many were virtually naked. I couldn\'t even see them as human; I felt I was watching a grotesque procession of ghosts. I saw one man with hundreds of glass shards piercing his body from the waist up. The skin of another man had peeled off his entire upper body, exposing a mass of red flesh. A woman was covered in blood, one eyeball grotesquely dangling out of its socket. Next to a mother whose skin had completely peeled off lay a loudly crying baby, its entire body burnt. Corpses were scattered everywhere. A dead woman\'s internal organs had burst out onto the ground around her. It was all so utterly gruesome, a living hell indescribable in words. We continued to head resolutely for the river.

[...]

Then it happened, just as we were stepping out onto the bridge. Tongues of fire burst violently out from the collapsed houses on both sides of the street. As we stood and gaped, the whole riverside transformed into a sea of fire. Crackling loud as thunder, towering pillars of fire shot up towards the heavens, like the eruption of a volcano. Fortunately we were beyond the reach of the conflagration, but my friend Yamamoto had somehow vanished.

Finally I escaped to the other side of the river where there wasn\'t any fire. Having reached relative safety, the intensity of my flight subsided somewhat, and I was suddenly aware that my whole body was burning hot. To ease the pain I went down to the river, dipping myself three times. The cool water of the river was to my scorched body an exquisite, priceless balm. "Ah, I\'m saved!" And with that thought, for the first time, my tears flowed and would not stop. I came up from the river and was guided to a temporary relief station hastily set up in a bamboo grove. There I received some minimal first aid and rested a while. As I sat there it started to rain, the first black rain I had ever seen. Huge drops that made a big noise when they fell. I just watched, bewildered, thinking, "Is there really such a thing as black rain?" I waited for it to stop, then started walking home.

[...]

Once home, I collapsed in a coma and remained unconscious for three weeks. Later, I was treated by a doctor--an ear, nose, and throat specialist--who came to our house morning and night to see me. Ordinarily, severe burns would not be treated by an otolaryngologist, but with nearly all the doctors and nurses in the city either dead or incapacitated, I was extremely fortunate to receive treatment from any sort of doctor at all. I battled my burns and disease for a year and a half, hovering between life and death. A Japanese saying goes, "Nine deaths for one life, " and that was precisely my experience. My friends passed from this world with acute radiation sickness: Tokujiro Hatta two days later, and Tatsuya Yamamoto after one month-and-a-half.

I have survived these many years, but my right elbow and the fingers of my right hand except for my thumb are bent and immobile. Keloid scars remain on my back, arms and legs. The cartilage in my ears deteriorated from the blood and pus that collected there, leaving my ears deformed. I continue to grow a "black nail" from the first finger of my right hand. (You may have seen two samples of this "black nail" that fell off and are on display at the Peace Memorial Museum.) Further, I am afflicted with chronic hepatitis, a liver infection that is a nationally recognized aftereffect of the bomb. I have been hospitalized ten times since 1971. Besides my liver problem, I am afflicted with numerous other ailments and cannot help but constantly worry about my health.

While struggling with this frail and damaged body, I have often wondered in despair, "Do I really need to live with all this pain?" But each time I have answered, "But you\'ve already come so far." And that thought has kept me going. Of my sixty classmates that day, fifty were cruelly slaughtered by the atomic bomb. To date, I have confirmed the survival of only thirteen of us; I am one of the very few still alive.

"I cannot let the deaths of my classmates be in vain. I must be the voice conveying their silent cries to the generations to come. As a survivor, this is my mission and my duty." These ideas are engraved on my heart, and I have lived to this day repeating such words to myself continually. My friends were helplessly sacrificed to the atomic bomb without ever reaching adulthood. They died writhing in agony. Their short, young lives abruptly ended. Such enormous sorrow. Such horrible frustration.

Among humankind\'s abilities, it is said imagination is the weakest and forgetfulness the strongest. We cannot by any means, however, forget Hiroshima, and we cannot lose the ability to abolish war, abolish nuclear weapons, and imagine a world of peace. Hiroshima is not just a historical fact. It is a warning and lesson for the future. We must overcome the pain, sorrow, and hatred of the past, we must conquer the argument that the damage inflicted and the damage incurred in the name of war were justifiable, we must conquer the logic that the dropping of the atomic bomb was justifiable. We must convey the Spirit of Hiroshima-- the denial of war and hope for the abolition of nuclear weapons--throughout Japan and throughout the world. I sincerely hope you have understood the Spirit of Hiroshima. I will always be praying for your steadfast efforts and progress toward the abolition of nuclear weapons.
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAPETIME!
(thanks Chizzy!)

Offline Rammstein
  • Junior Member

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 76
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2001, 04:42:51 AM »
Our greatest fear, as a human, is that of being lonely. One will go mad if he does no see others, touch others, be with others. But, we can\'t live together peacefully because we hate each other. Because we\'re all so different in all we do.
It\'s this simple weakness that defines us, but it also destroys us.

\'The world so hard to understand, is the world you can\'t live without\'
Live In Virtue No Desire
[[[Ramms+ein]]]

Offline SER
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4437
  • Karma: +10/-0
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2001, 05:06:57 AM »
How about.... One-sided?

This "war" won\'t last too long.. Terrorists are gonna be dead soon. :p

Offline videoholic

  • Silly little freak
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 18034
  • Karma: +10/-0
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2001, 06:59:09 AM »
I don\'t understand how you can say this war won\'t last too long.  It will last for a long time.  There are a lot of terrorists out there that need to be stopped.  These people are brainwashed.  They need to come down.

Samwise - where did you get that story?
I wear a necklace now because I like to know when I\'m upside down.
 kopking: \"i really think that i how that guy os on he weekend\"
TheOmen speaking of women: \"they\'re good at what they do, for what they are.\"
Swifdi:

Offline Samwise
  • Moderator
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 12129
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://151.200.3.8/~vze29k6v/you.html
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2001, 07:04:09 AM »
Video: The whole story can be found here.

And info on nuclear devices can be found here.
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAPETIME!
(thanks Chizzy!)

Offline fastson
  • Keyser Söze
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7080
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2001, 07:16:03 AM »
Thats a horrible story Samwise :(
\"Behold, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed\"
-Axel Oxenstierna 1648

Offline Toxical
  • Evil Devil Master

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 2061
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2001, 07:33:23 AM »
What kind of war will it be?

Bloody, and destructive.
But one thing this war won\'t provide is closure, and if any of you believe that after this, we all will live in a nice peachy world, think again.

Just think what this will solve, and don\'t think with your fists. Nothing will be accomplished, nothing has been accomplished in the past, we are defenseless against terrorism.

Offline CygnusXI
  • Wise Member

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1757
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2001, 08:03:22 AM »
Toxical said:
Quote
we are defenseless against terrorism.


Osama would Looooove you



:evil:

...and terrorists are defenseless against nukes
FFXI Trebcyggy, Unicorn
52 Rdm-29Bst-29Whm-15Thf

Offline Samwise
  • Moderator
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 12129
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://151.200.3.8/~vze29k6v/you.html
WAR - What kind of war will it be?
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2001, 08:09:25 AM »
Actually Cygnus, what Toxical said is partially true. It\'s impossible to be 100% able to defend against terrorists. :(
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAPETIME!
(thanks Chizzy!)

 

SMF spam blocked by CleanTalk