PS2 : for worse times...

Caution : this thread is not about the late events themselves(WTC), nor a subjective view about the role of videogames to those events.

I came to this thread title because IMO late events have really altered the position of PS2. I name the tragedy of the WTC, late
theads such as \'why PS2 graphics are crap\' and the move of Shinji Mikami. It all began with the threads on this forum about alot of ppl feeling let down by the PS2 on graphics, I as well feel somewhat like that.
Then there was the tragedy of Tuesday. I think this will have a long term effect on VG\'s. (without making a judgement about that)
So to not show a lack of respect, developers are forced to alter their plans ; Konami is imo in a very difficult position because of the things that happened. Their MGS2 game will be released in their home country Japan, but a Western launch is at risk. MGS2 being a high profile PS2 game, a cancelling of that game would be a huge blow to PS2 and Sony. Even if it does release westside, I think the game will be altered and thus postponed so long, the time it reaches US/ Europe it will be dated and damaged.
To top it, we\'ve seen the move from Capcom to make the next 6 RE games NGC exclusive. Now that may be not such a big deal for SONY, in itself.
But a statement by Shinji Mikami himself ; that he didn\'t want his vision of RE on PS2 anymore because of it\'s technical restrictions, but on NGC because it\'s lotsa more powerfull.
These three points make me say that PS2 will have a very difficult time ahead. There were already rumours around the net Sony would speed up PS3 developement if more dissatisfaction with PS2 by developers was heard.
I\'m not saying PS2 will have some excellent games in the future, but it will have a difficult time, and NGC will shine. XBOX is still a big mystery for me, but maybe I will trade in my PS2 for a NGC when that console launches in Europe....

Knotter8:(

NO WAY !!!
1. I don´t want to miss DVD !
2. There are still coming so many good games for PS2 and I don´t want to miss them !
3. Grafix will improve more and more !
4. I don´t like the Gamecubes concept (only a few games that interest me) !
5. I still have to pay the bank for my PS2...

...consider, a big developer like Capcom moving away with a 6 game big franchise. Stating, doing so because they find the PS2 hardware inadequate.
Imo this is worrying ! (of course, PS2 gets Onimusha 2 and DMC, but the point is Shinji Mikami doesn\'t feel he can make his ultimate vision come true on PS2 thanks to it\'s complexity and limitations. btw he\'s not the 1st dev to say that.)
Knotter8

oh dear........

what has happened to us that we can wait for a delayed game even though it has been put back for very good reasons.

What has happened to us when we think TECH DEMOS and STILL SCREENS make some of us want to trade in our PS2\'s

oh and what has happend to the Graphics !

i think the statment PS2 Graphics are crap is highly inacurate !

the releae of second and third gen games only highen my anticipation of new and games that are indevelopment for the PS2!

lets face it most of the scedules are desinged so that Sony can release games in line with the launch of the NGC and XBox !

and if you are still in dout then lets face it

the industry needs a "fight" between more that just 2 systems.

more systems = greater compention which = greater development of games = larger user base = cheaper games and hardware for all (NGC PS2 and X Box !)

Oh and PS

RESIDENT EVIL EXCLUSICE to the Nintendo ?
i don\'t think so

wasn\'t that what they said about RESIDENT EVIL CV on the Dreamcast after all :rolleyes:
and the origonal RE on the PSX
which has now been converted to a wide range of formats INCLUDING PC.

i rest my case !:D

Come on people, Resident Evil is a tired franchise now.... It was cool with RE1, 2, and 3.... but now I want fresh NEW stuff like Devil May Cry.

If they want to rehash Resident Evil 500 times on the Gamecube... let them.

It\'s not specific games.  It\'s the comments made by developers and journalists about the limitations of the PS2.

Notice we never hear about the emotion engine anymore?  What a bunch of crap and we got sucked into it.

The PS2 is not a revolution as promised, and people are now finding this out for themselves.  I mostly blame Sony.  Had Sony not gotten apathetic and designed the PS2 aggresively we would not be in this situation.  Also, because Sony was spewing all these buzz words and empty promises that most people believed, we are now experiencing the let down and fall out from these claims.

The PS2 is not a bad system.  And neither was the Saturn.  The similarities between these two consoles is too strong to ignore (both hard to develop for, bad promises, developers publicly stating their discontent, franchises leaving one by one, etc.).

No RE is not a big blow, but in 2 years when developer\'s aspirations are truly high, will the PS2 be able to keep up, and if it can, will developers want to spend the extra time getting the power out of the PS2.  

I hope so.

Resident Evil Series is not such a big loss for me.. Cuz Ive grown pretty tired of the crappy gameplay it has..

Shoot
Look for 55 keys, put them in the correct order to open door
Shoot some more
Boss Fight
Run, opendoor ect.

BORING!

But if you really want RE to PS2.. This might cheer you up

Still hope?

PS2 has the best support from 3rd party developers you could ever hope for..
So I see no need to buy another console!
But thats just me..

Let me show you and example of how the graphics are improving!

Eternal Ring 1st GEN


Baldur\'s Gate- Dark Alliance 2ND GEN



Ridge Racer V 1ST GEN



Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec 2ND GEN


And so on
And sence when was it difficult to make pre-rendered backgrounds on PS2?
If GC is all that powerful, I think they could make the backgrounds 3D!

Originally posted by Knotter8
But a statement by Shinji Mikami himself ; that he didn\'t want his vision of RE on PS2 anymore because of it\'s technical restrictions, but on NGC because it\'s lotsa more powerfull.

Can I get a link?

Watchdog:

The PS2 is not a bad system. And neither was the Saturn. The similarities between these two consoles is too strong to ignore (both hard to develop for, bad promises, developers publicly stating their discontent, franchises leaving one by one, etc.).

But there is still a couple of big differences.
1.  The Playstation is a trusted name and hasn\'t done anything yet to lose any fans.
2.  The PS2 has a 15 million userbase.  That alone is reason enough for developers to continue to develope for the PS2.

BG2:DA, MGS2, FFX

franchises leaving one by one

You mean Abe.. And??

No.. PS2 still has many big franchises..
Maybe all of them arent exclusive.. But I dont care..

As long as I get to play them

i think the ps2 has a bright future. witht the lineup of games coming out, how can it go wrong? wipeout fusion, FFX, and tons of other games are in the AAA list for ps2.

i dont see support for it dying. at all.

Originally posted by Falcon4
i think the ps2 has a bright future. witht the lineup of games coming out, how can it go wrong? wipeout fusion, FFX, and tons of other games are in the AAA list for ps2.

i dont see support for it dying. at all.

Exacly..
PS2 has the brightest future of all 3 systems..

Originally posted by fastson

Exacly..
PS2 has the brightest future of all 3 systems..

tru dat! All games for other systems don\'t look all that great.... Maybe 1 game on Xbox - Project Ego, and 1 game on GC - RE..... Then I look at all the incredibly fun games on PS2.....

WOWZAS!:D

Originally posted by Watchdog
...Notice we never hear about the emotion engine anymore?  What a bunch of crap and we got sucked into it...

Three letters: ICO

quit crying you baby\'s ! mgs2 , SH2,  FFX, GTA3, GT3 and so on and so on ... Ace of combat 4 , DMC and so on and so on