The MOST UNBELIEVABLE IN-GAME GRAPHICS EVER. CG- QUALITY!!! On GC!!!!!!!!!

I\'m pissed because people call me a troll, anti-ps2, etc.  I\'m pissed because it took a year and a half to get decent titles.   I\'m pissed because this was supposed to be so powerful that the US was worried that Iraq would use it for military operations (never happened, and never was true).  I\'m pissed because first gen titles look better (and have reviews to suport it) than anything for the PS2 out now (advanced screenshots mean nothing).

I\'m not really pissed--it\'s too strong a word really.  But I am upset with Sony and their apathetic attitude, their hype machine that has produced really nothing memorable for me.  I\'ve had some fun over the year that I\'ve owned it absolutely, but nothing like what was promised.  Exclusive titles are leaving the PS2 and going to the "more powerful" consoles and I can\'t help but be concerned.

If one of the two consoles breaks through and succeeds (this isn\'t at all unlikely) then the PS2 is in trouble.  Say this console is the xbox (I count the MS box as the larger threat).  Say the xbox makes a big impact during the first year.  Gates has spent huge amounts of cash on a risky venture into an untested market.  If he gets indication that the xbox can succeed how much money would he be willing ot spend then?  He doesn\'t fool around when it comes to business.  How many exclusives could he buy?  MS rarely fails is really all I\'m saying.

Devs want money above all else--they are a business afterall.  Devs want to express themselves and show off, grow as designers and be the best that there is (this is no different from any other field).  If one console allows them to do this easier than another (be it a more friendly piece of hardware or more power available) I can\'t see them not choosing the path of least resistence.  They want to make great games--they do not want problems or bottlenecks.

This is how I see it.  Call me a pessimist or a troll or whatever you want, but I don\'t think there is another way to look at it.

Watchdog, I don\'t think you are a fanboy or a troll.  I just think you whine a little too much.  If you are so "pissed" at Sony and the PS2, then sell your PS2 and go buy an Xbox or NGC when they are released.  Otherwise, shut up and enjoy what you have!  Do less whining and more doing.  We could sit here and argue for days whether the PS2 is good or not, but that is based entirely on oppinion and it would get us nowhere.

It\'s not whining.  I\'m bringing up concerns.  Talking much like everyone else.  If I was raising concerns about the xbox or GC you wouldn\'t call me a whiner, you\'d call me right and extoll once again the virtues of the PS2 (if not you then dozens of other posters here).  

I\'d get responces like "WORD!" or "Gheycube suxors!" or Microcrap blows!"

This is part of the problem. I guess I shouldn\'t be surprised as this is a PS2 forum.

I came here because I was reading a different forum and heard this was the best forum on the net (with reguards to real discussions, no flaming or fanboyism).  It did seem like that for a while--there are people here with REAL opinions--but they get smothered, flamed and don\'t post much.  

It\'s too bad  people are so caught up with defending their purchase and attacking anything that threatens their choice (that being that they made a good purchase and their system has to be the best system) that no real discussions can go on.  I tend to read those posts that endlessly praise game X, but not post because if I like the game there is no need to add to the long list of praise, and if I don\'t like the game I usually keep quiet because there is little point trying to express a dissenting view around here even if it is respectful, well thought out and honest.

I don\'t think I\'d sell my PS2.  It\'s worth more to me then the couple hundred bucks I\'d earn.  If I\'m going to buy a different console then I\'ll just buy it and use my PS2 as a second DVD player for my small bedroom tv.  I have a good job and can afford it (besides I\'m looking forward to VF4) that\'s not the issue the issue is....oh never mind.

I would agree with those concerns if they really were concerns, but they\'re usually not that big of deal.  For example:

All these "hiden" features and abilities is Sony\'s way of covering up their shoddy system archetecture.

Your concern is that the PS2 has shoddy architecture, yet developers are already making brilliant looking games for it.  Next years games look probably about twice as good as this year\'s games look, and that\'s saying a lot because this year\'s games look great.  Look at Outcast II and Stuntman.  No game this year looks nearly as good as those.  If developers can continue to improve the look of their games throughout the PS2\'s life as much as they are from now to next year, would you still consider the PS2 to have shoddy architecture?

The PS2 has way more going for it than going against it.
Bad:

• It\'s a hard console to program for for beginners.
• -----I\'ll let you fill in the rest here-----

Good:

• Getting a lot easier to program, as we can see by comparing the new games to the old games, and next year\'s games to this year\'s games.
• Has a kind of architecture that is not only innovative, but very powerful as well.  PS2 games will dramatically increase in quality throughout its life.
  
• Has a ton of third party support, and their first party is a lot better than ever before.  Sony\'s first party for the PSX was almost non-existant.  Now we are seeing a new first party game just about every other month, and most of them are actually good.
• Has shipped 17,910,000 world wide as of the end of August. (And has probably sold around 16.5 million)
• Has the biggest head start in video game history.
• Has the trust and respect from millions of happy PSX owners.
• Has the best fall lineup out of all three consoles.
• Has online gaming coming this fall.
• Has a built in DVD player.
• -----Feel free to add more here-----

Whether or not you like what Sony has done with the PS2, you have to admit that right now is a great time to be a PS2 owner. :)

[Evi]

Um...some of you guys have absolutley no life whatsoever.  How can you sit there and argue about *lisp* videogames *lisp* and type endless pages of useless ignorant gibberish?  It\'s nuts!!

Just play the games and enjoy them, or go outside and hang out with...um...friends and...girls (even though they\'re more trouble than there worth sometimes).

Sorry, just having a bad day...:shy: :sconf:

Originally posted by EviscerationX
Um...some of you guys have absolutley no life whatsoever.  How can you sit there and argue about *lisp* videogames *lisp* and type endless pages of useless ignorant gibberish?  It\'s nuts!!

With that reasoning, why do we even come to these forums at all?  We could easily go to IGN for all the gaming info we need, so why come here?  To answer your question, I like video games and everything about them.  I think debating with others about videogames is fun.  I like to hear other people\'s views on things, even if I don\'t agree with them.

[Bobs_Hardware]

Um...some of you guys have absolutley no life whatsoever. How can you sit there and argue about *lisp* videogames *lisp* and type endless pages of useless ignorant gibberish? It\'s nuts!!

so why does that mean we have no life?  and who is the person who needs more of a life...people who enjoy a hobby of theirs and like debating about it...or the person who wastes their time complaining about those who like arguing? :rolleyes:

get over it man

Originally posted by IronFist
Look at Outcast II and Stuntman.  No game this year looks nearly as good as those.

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Thats debatable, my man.

Originally posted by Nu Gundam

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Thats debatable, my man.

Yeah, I thought about putting an IMO after that, but then I forgot about it.  My attention span has been destroyed due to lack of sleep and too much TV/video games.

Yeah you with 2100 posts should talk EviscerationX.  WTF?!