Have you seen the demonstrations?

Oh..

Seems like the islamic/arabic world is going crazy about the American bombings.. One man even said that the army in Pakistan might try to take over the government..

This are really nervous right now..

Has the US government awoken a sleeping bear?
Something they cant master??

Cuz there is about 700-800million Arabs in the world. (Not saying all will erroupt.. But a few million people support the tallibans) And I don’t think those food-drops are going to help much..

And Bush is talking about attacking other Arabic countries..
This is getting worse by the minute..

One guy in a newspaper (Arab in Pakistan) said that he would kill every american he could find.. :rolleyes:

1) Only 15% - 20% of Pakistanis support the Taliban.  Their president recently fired his pro-Taliban generals & officials.

2) Most of the Arab world consits of 3rd world countries with little or no access to modern day weaponry.

3) There are also many Arab groups & organizations that are pro-US at the moment simply because they despise the Taliban.

4) The other Arab countries Bush is targeting are supporting and/or harboring the Taliban.  They\'re just getting what was coming to them.

5) It\'s more like, "Have the Arabs awokened a sleeping giant?"  The US has enough arms to completely destroy the world 12x over.  Then there are of course it\'s allies...

6) One warhead would kill every Arab terrorists it could find.  Probably a little more targets than that Arab in Pakistan.

I\'m not worried about the Arabs in Arabia burning American flags and throwing rocks at NATO buildings.  That\'s all they can do...

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You have to remember that only the people with the loudest voices get heard.  Even though the people that actually support the Taliban are few compared to the people who are held hostage by them, they will be the ones who get all the attention.   You will see 10 stories showing people burning flags for every one story of the poverty that is eating that land.


In the news business you have to remember that we don\'t care what is really happening.  We just want to get the best video.

During Hurricanes here in Tampa we would always know to go to the same couple of areas to get flooding video.  The people who live there know they get flooded all the time, we know it, everyone knows it.  But you get the best flooding video.  IT only affects a few hundred people and it\'s out of the norm when a storm comes through, but it is what gets on air.

When I see people burning the flag and people demonstrating, I just know there are 10 people for every one of them that would love for these demonstrators to be stopped.

Originally posted by THX
1) Only 15% - 20% of Pakistanis support the Taliban.  Their president recently fired his pro-Taliban generals & officials.

2) Most of the Arab world consits of 3rd world countries with little or no access to modern day weaponry.

3) There are also many Arab groups & organizations that are pro-US at the moment simply because they despise the Taliban.

4) The other Arab countries Bush is targeting are supporting and/or harboring the Taliban.  They\'re just getting what was coming to them.

5) It\'s more like, "Have the Arabs awokened a sleeping giant?"  The US has enough arms to completely destroy the world 12x over.  Then there are of course it\'s allies...

6) One warhead would kill every Arab terrorists it could find.  Probably a little more targets than that Arab in Pakistan.

I\'m not worried about the Arabs in Arabia burning American flags and throwing rocks at NATO buildings.  That\'s all they can do...

1.) Correct.. But 15-20% is still 15-20% who might move over to Afghanistan and support the war. (If/When the US puts in groundforces on Muhammeds holy land!:rolleyes:  )

2.) We dont know that.. Usama is a very rich guy. He bought nukes in the 90:ies.. They might have shipped to other parts of the Al Queda (sp?).

3.) Yes, the Northern Alliance.. But they bearly hold 1/10 of Afghanistan.. It will change when US ship weapons of course. (Just like the Soviet+Afghanistan war?)

4.) Is Iraq one of those countries? Yes I think so.. They are pretty advanced when it comes to Military technolegy.. They got nukes, and bio-weapons.

5.) The world would never support US if they started using big weapons like that.. China and Russia might back out if the killings of civilians are any higher..

6.) And kill 20million arabs? Dont think so.. Then you\'d have one big problem on your hands..
ALL 700million arabs going mad? WORLD not supporting US anymore?

Anything can happen..
I just wish Bush thinks about what he\'s going and not do anything radical.

lack of modern weapons wont stop the 3rd world countries. I mean come on..they fight tanks with rocks:confused:

Originally posted by fastson
2.) We dont know that.. Usama is a very rich guy. He bought nukes in the 90:ies.. They might have shipped to other parts of the Al Queda (sp?).

4.) Is Iraq one of those countries? Yes I think so.. They are pretty advanced when it comes to Military technolegy.. They got nukes, and bio-weapons.

Osama Bin Laden does not have any nukes.  Even if someone was willing to sell, I doubt he could afford it.

Iraq does not have any nuclear capability.  Building nuclear weapons is not that easy; it takes a great deal of infrastructure, access to controlled materials, and technical know how.  

Let\'s get real here.

Originally posted by Coredweller


Osama Bin Laden does not have any nukes.  Even if someone was willing to sell, I doubt he could afford it.

Iraq does not have any nuclear capability.  Building nuclear weapons is not that easy; it takes a great deal of infrastructure, access to controlled materials, and technical know how.  

Let\'s get real here.

1. According to CIA (I think it was) Usama MIGHT have bought nukes from the Russians in the 90:ies..
He is a very rich man.. His father owned a building company in Saudi Arabia.. The king of SA. gave Usamas father special contracts.. So they had a monopoly in the business..
Then Usamas father died and Usama got a lot of money..
That’s why Usama and the Taliban’s are best buds.. (Usama provides the cash.. and the Taliban’s provides a home..)
There was even talk about Usama making a fortune in the Japanese stock..

2. I don’t know how hard or easy it is to build a nuke.. Cuz Im no engineer.
We know they have biological weapons.. And these can be maybe more deadly than nuclear weapons?
As we have seen in the past months.. Arabs can come to america. Go to american schools and get an education.. Then go back to their countries and make something.. (Radioactive materials are prob. pretty easy to find on the blackmarket I\'d guess)
I don’t think we should underestimate them.. (Remember Vietnam?)

I think someone\'s a little paranoid.

/ dm /

Originally posted by datamage
I think someone\'s a little paranoid.

/ dm /

Me?
Nope.. Why would I be?
Im not a soldier of satan.. As Usama said!  

Originally posted by fastson
1. According to CIA (I think it was) Usama MIGHT have bought nukes from the Russians in the 90:ies..

2. I don’t know how hard or easy it is to build a nuke.. Cuz Im no engineer.  We know they have biological weapons.. And these can be maybe more deadly than nuclear weapons?  I don’t think we should underestimate them.. (Remember Vietnam?)

If you\'ve got a link to an article describing this "Bin Laden buying nuclear weapons from Russians in the 90s" scenario, please post it.  I think it\'s bullsh1t.  Think about it:  Bin Laden fights for the Mujahadean in the 1980s in a guerrilla war AGAINST the Soviets, then supports the Chechnya rebellion in the 90s... then some Russian decides to sell him a nuke?  Does this make any sense?  In the 90s, it would have been safe to assume the weapon would be used against Moscow.  Any individual in a position to have access to Russia\'s nuclear arsenal would be in their military heirarchy, and probably would not have much sympathy for militant Islamics.  I\'m not worried about this.

Regarding Iraq, yes they MIGHT have biological weapons but we don\'t KNOW that they do.  We only know they had chemical weapons.  Neither are more deadly than nuclear weapons.  They are easier to manufacture, transport and use though.

Regarding Vietnam, that is not a fair comparison.  Stick with stuff you know about and don\'t get me started on Vietnam.

I´m really happy I´m not in U.S.
Must be pretty scary to be there. And what about Afghanistan? How would want to be there?

If you\'ve got a link to an article describing this "Bin Laden buying nuclear weapons from Russians in the 90s" scenario, please post it. I think it\'s bullsh1t. Think about it: Bin Laden fights for the Mujahadean in the 1980s in a guerrilla war AGAINST the Soviets, then supports the Chechnya rebellion in the 90s... then some Russian decides to sell him a nuke? Does this make any sense? In the 90s, it would have been safe to assume the weapon would be used against Moscow. Any individual in a position to have access to Russia\'s nuclear arsenal would be in their military heirarchy, and probably would not have much sympathy for militant Islamics. I\'m not worried about this.

No I do not have a link.. I read it in a newspaper..
Its one of the 70 evidence that says Usama is guilty of the terror attack.. (Provided by the US government)

A Taliban priest even said "We have nuclear weapons!" (Maybe he said it to scare us? You can never be sure with these people!)

He should have got the nukes from Soviet when the Soviet union collapsed.. Maybe he bought it from a second man dealer?

I saw footage from a Russian radioactive disposal site..
There was an 70year old man guarding the station with his old dog..
They had a fence around the hole in the ground.. When they showed the hole you could see a door with a broken lock on it..
The man said "The alarm system stopped working 5 years ago" then he laughed.

Regarding Iraq, yes they MIGHT have biological weapons but we don\'t KNOW that they do. We only know they had chemical weapons. Neither are more deadly than nuclear weapons. They are easier to manufacture, transport and use though.

LoL..
Then why the hell did USA bomb Iraq?
USA bombed buildings which they said were a "biological-manufacturing plant"..
Saddam has stopped UN agents from entering Iraq to see if he has any biological weapons..
He is covering something up..

You know the Japanese terror attacks in the subways of Tokyo?
Well they used home made nerve gas.. (Its easy to develop biological weapons.. In small doses.. Its more difficult to make them in large amounts. And these were regular terrorists.. NOT supported by a nation.. Think what Iraq can do? As I said they are pretty advanced..)

1.  I haven\'t seen a list of 70 pieces of evidence again Bin Laden.  It was my understanding this was being kept as quiet as possible, and only shared with heads of state.  Where did this newspaper get it?  Even if we said that the Taliban had nuclear weapons, I still don\'t believe it.

2.  Taliban priests are full of sh1te.

3.  There is a big difference between radioactive waste and weapons grade fissionable material.  I\'m not surprised that an old man with a dog was guarding waste because it\'s useless for making weapons.

4.  We had to come up with all kinds of stories about what weapons Iraq MIGHT or MIGHT NOT have...  We needed to justify our continued blockade and no-fly zones.  This doesn\'t mean that we can verify that they actually HAD that stuff, or that if they did have it, that it hasn\'t already been blow to hell in one of our thousands of bombing missions.  

5.  Nerve gas is a chemical weapon, not biological.  We know the Iraqis had chemical weapons because we discovered it on the battlefield.  I personally do not know how relatively difficult it is build chemical vs. biological weapons.  It seems logical that it\'s easy to make in small quantities, but harder to mass produce.  I would think that biologicals would be more technically advanced.

1.) I have no idea where they got it..
Im not sure if its the exact list that the US Gov. have.. But they had 70 pieces that pointed to bin Laden.

2.) Yes they are.. They change their stories all the time.. But you can never be sure..

3.) I know that.. I just used it for an example what the security was like in Soviet during that time.. Not very high?
Russia had 12 000 nukes I belive.. (Not all launch ready of course)

4.) Interesting..

5.) Yep.. Biological are prob. alot more difficult to make..
But you never know where you can find people and labs that you can use..
*cough* Saddam *cough*

1.) Correct.. But 15-20% is still 15-20% who might move over to Afghanistan and support the war. (If/When the US puts in groundforces on Muhammeds holy land!:rolleyes:  )

Very true indeed, Pakistan has a big poppulation, 15-20% of that is allot of people, allot of people who could not only fight for afganistan but also do terrorist attacks over the entire world

2.) We dont know that.. Usama is a very rich guy. He bought nukes in the 90:ies.. They might have shipped to other parts of the Al Queda (sp?).

Bin laden does not have nukes, he has tried to buy uranium in russia and even complete nukes in kazachstan. So far they are pretty much sure he has no nukes. Chemical and bio weapons are a different story

Forget about osamas money, its saudi arabia which play a big rolein US\'s decision making , they controll over a quater of the worlds oil supply. If the US retalliate heavily they will cut off the oil supply (Like they were giong to do in the gulf war) Oil is a key to this war

3.) Yes, the Northern Alliance.. But they bearly hold 1/10 of Afghanistan.. It will change when US ship weapons of course. (Just like the Soviet+Afghanistan war?)

This is my biggest fear, The NA might turn against the us after the taliban has been thrown over (like bin laden did after they kicked the russian out) And even worse, the NA is an enemy of pakistan

4.) Is Iraq one of those countries? Yes I think so.. They are pretty advanced when it comes to Military technolegy.. They got nukes, and bio-weapons.

Iraq doesn\'t have nukes, they have chemical and bio weapons. Most of their weapons have been taken in by US anyway. However they are still dangerous

5.) The world would never support US if they started using big weapons like that.. China and Russia might back out if the killings of civilians are any higher..

Russia wont back out, they want revenge on the losses tbhey suffered in their war with bin laden. Putin very is excited about helping the US out. And the uk want to get bin laden because 60% of the heroine sold on the english streets coem from him


I think the situation is very dangerous right now, If they dont watch out they turn the netire muslim world agianst them, and I\'m sure you wouldn\'t like that to happen