press conference (gamecube)

Man this thread is null and void. First it was the mocking of ps2 graphics not better than dc. Then it was the mocking of xbox graphics looking too pcish and not living up to all the hype. Now it is the gc mocking.

lestat it is very hard to take anything you say seriously because you who would be so immature and bash nintendo and call nintendo "kidtendo" and then when LIC points you out for being a foolish troll you want to  try and act mature and call yourself multi-console.  I mean how can anybody take what you say about nintendo seriously since you have already proven that you hate nintendo and constantly bash it a make stupid remarks about the company.

Originally posted by QuDDus
Man this thread is null and void. First it was the mocking of ps2 graphics not better than dc. Then it was the mocking of xbox graphics looking too pcish and not living up to all the hype. Now it is the gc mocking.

lestat it is very hard to take anything you say seriously because you who would be so immature and bash nintendo and call nintendo "kidtendo" and then when LIC points you out for being a foolish troll you want to  try and act mature and call yourself multi-console.  I mean how can anybody take what you say about nintendo seriously since you have already proven that you hate nintendo and constantly bash it a make stupid remarks about the company.

by the simple fact that i pointed out facts about the system\'s performance and NOT my opinion about the game itself.....
it\'s a fact that the textures do not look any better than a the ps2\'s blurry textures,  its a fact that the lighting is nowhere near as impressive as that of ico or silent hill2...its a fact that rogue leader moves stiff and lacks the feeling of flight...its an opinion had i stated that i think it sucks cause its kiddie like i truly feel about luigis mansion,  but thats my personal opinion and didnt include it in my original post....

the reason this thread got null or void is because of people like LIC that come and bash me just cause he knows i hate nintendo...
and you\'re not helping either..in fact no one yet has argued the facts i originally stated about gamecubes graphics...instead theyve attacked me....i may bash the \'gaycube\' and call it \'kidtendo\' but in my original post i stayed away from these immature remarks and focused on the issues themselves...
i could care less if im liked in these forums...to me its not a popularity contest and i just come here to discuss gaming and debate somethings here and there...but when my thread gets ingnored and i get bombarded instead,  i feel as if i wasted my time typing up a serious a review and next time ill go back and just say...\'the gaycube sucks and the graphics suck and its kiddie and gay\'...cause apparently thats what you and LIC seem to have read instead....

[Living-In-Clip]

No, the reason this thread is null and pointless is because you are reviewing a product, yet you admit you are biased towards Nintendo.  That is like me reviewing a Final Fantasy product, yet I hate Final Fantasy....

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
No, the reason this thread is null and pointless is because you are reviewing a product, yet you admit you are biased towards Nintendo.  That is like me reviewing a Final Fantasy product, yet I hate Final Fantasy....

:rolleyes:

if you actually read my post,  instead of assuming sh!t,  youd notice that i reviewed the gamecube\'s graphical performance...
bias does not come into play there...
whether or not you hate final fantasy,  it doesnt mean that you cant comment on it\'s graphics without people raping you for hating it...

i may hate nintendo and the gamecube,  but it doesnt stop me from admitting that RE is looking damn good and that monkey ball is cool and starfox adventures is sweet...
and thats all i did,  review its graphics.

you say for us to get off nintendo\'s ass and get over them being kiddie and what not...then why dont you get off my ass and reply to another thread instead of replying to all my posts in a negative way??

thanx.

Well gosh fiddley-dee god-damn, the graphics of the GC launch software only look slightly better than some of the best things we have seen out of the PS2 after a year and a half.  Are you fanboys still going to say that developers need more ::quotation fingers:: "learning time" with the PS2 after 1 1/2 YEARS?

Well gosh fiddley-dee god-damn, the graphics of the GC launch software only look slightly better than some of the best things we have seen out of the PS2 after a year and a half. Are you fanboys still going to say that developers need more ::quotation fingers:: "learning time" with the PS2 after 1 1/2 YEARS?

Hrm, the only game that looks impressive IMO, (and technically superior to current PS2 games) would be Rogue Leader. Your statement implies that all of GC\'s launch software look better, and lemme tell you, they don\'t.

And the area in which Rogue Leader is superior in would be textures.

/ dm /

Originally posted by Lord of Darkness
Well gosh fiddley-dee god-damn, the graphics of the GC launch software only look slightly better than some of the best things we have seen out of the PS2 after a year and a half.  Are you fanboys still going to say that developers need more ::quotation fingers:: "learning time" with the PS2 after 1 1/2 YEARS?

Like Datamage, I don\'t see where the GC launch software looks anywhere near as good as top of the line PS2 titles. I\'ve seen and played the GameCube myself at our local stores (yes, import from Japan), and graphically Wave Race isn\'t that what many are expecting. I admit, I haven\'t seen RL live, but various downloads to say that it looks good. I won\'t even start with Luigi here. If you think Wave Race looks good, check out Splashdown. I take it that the devs behind this game made that boring and very disappointing surfgame last year? Well, look how this one is turning out.. and about those 1 1/2 years - believe it or not, but you will see improvements until the end of the PS2 life span. It\'s what makes devs - learning to go around things differently, creating better graphics at every attempt. Look at PSX and compare Gran Turismo to any Ridge Racer that came out within the first year. I think the devs are doing great progress at the moment and I have absolutely no doubts that the graphics are still going to improve by A LOT by the time they really figure things out.

To proove sevens point..

Ridge Racer


Gran Turismo


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Ridge Racer V


Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec

That proves ****.

-Both games were made by different developers

-GT3 looked that good before RRV was even released

-You really suck at making insults *who ever edited my post*

Originally posted by Goku
-Your mom\'s fat

lestat, I was wondering why you don\'t think bias would affect someone\'s perception of graphics. I\'m not saying that you are biased because I haven\'t seen it but If someone really dislikes something won\'t that affect their perception and make them blow any "flaw" out of proportion?

Originally posted by Gohan


lestat, I was wondering why you don\'t think bias would affect someone\'s perception of graphics. I\'m not saying that you are biased because I haven\'t seen it but If someone really dislikes something won\'t that affect their perception and make them blow any "flaw" out of proportion?

you make a good point there...and yes,  i would be one to blow things out of proportion when it comes to nintendo\'s flaws, BUT in this case,  and datamage as my witness who went with me,  that wasnt the case. (huh?)

i thought Rl was cool and luigis mansion and wave race when i had seen movies of it on compressed avi\'s or mov\'s,  but once i saw them on a tv screen,  it wasnt the same...the final graphical judgement will be when i play it at home or actually at my friend\'s crib when he gets it..ofcourse.....but until now..you dont hear me saying crap about RE or starfox advenures or monkey ball do you?
cause i think graphically they are all outstanding.

Goku,

I find it very pathetic that you have to prove every stupid, but logic statements nowdays. But enjoy, this one is for you:

Ridge Racer: (September 1995)


Ridge Racer Type 4: (May 1999)


Even though the first one is very small, you would have to be blind not to see the difference. Same platform, same developer.

-GT3 looked that good before RRV was even released

That\'s not true. GT3 didn\'t exist when RRV was released. The game which you are speaking of, was called GT2000 and has since then been refined and rebuild from scratch (the graphics engine), later to be renamed to GT3 A-Spec. See the difference (note the textures, jaggies colours, fog etc):

Gran Turismo 2000 (to release at launch or soon after [2000]):


Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec (final build, rebuild gfx engine, release 2001):



As above, same developer, same platform.

Good \'ol Jumpman is back..

Good post seven...

Man, I haven\'t posted here in a while. Anyway, I think this thread deserves my expertise.

Lestat, if you\'re reviewing solely on graphics you might have point, though I completely disagree on your review of Rogue Leader. But you have to realize that gameplay makes or breaks a game (don\'t say something like "if you made mario for the GC in 8-bit with excellent gameplay it wouldn\'t sell"). I don\'t know why you would not buy a GC just because the graphics aren\'t "perfect." More or less, the GC, PS2, and the Xbox are going to have the same graphics. IMO, it would be a big mistake if you missed out on games like Rogue Leader, Mario and Zelda  because you aren\'t impressed with the graphics of a few games(yes their new...uh...approach to Zelda is not the greatest, but all Zelda games are good. period.) Also, IMO, Square will develop for the GC (probably nothing exclusive) and many other popular games like Dragon Warrior, etc. will be coming to the GC. If I were you, I\'d pass up the Xbox for now and buy a GC. You\'ll be saving $100 too!

BTW, I have a question for all of you that were turned away by the N64. What happened when Sega failed a couple of times miserably? Why didn\'t you hate them and refuse to buy a Dreamcast? Does Nintendo have to be pushed out of the hardware business to gain some appreciation?

Originally posted by seven
Goku,

I find it very pathetic that you have to prove every stupid, but logic statements nowdays. But enjoy, this one is for you:

Ridge Racer: (September 1995)


Ridge Racer Type 4: (May 1999)


Even though the first one is very small, you would have to be blind not to see the difference. Same platform, same developer.



That\'s not true. GT3 didn\'t exist when RRV was released. The game which you are speaking of, was called GT2000 and has since then been refined and rebuild from scratch (the graphics engine), later to be renamed to GT3 A-Spec. See the difference (note the textures, jaggies colours, fog etc):

Gran Turismo 2000 (to release at launch or soon after [2000]):


Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec (final build, rebuild gfx engine, release 2001):



As above, same developer, same platform.

No, you are quite wrong here.

Around the PS2 launch, there were loads of posts about GT3 or GT2000 and the shots look basically the same then as they did now. I was here then, you were not. Maybe some time after the PS2 launch but not that long. I remember perfectly.

You still never argued the fact that they were both developed by different developers(yes you rambled on but that was all BS). Polyphony=arguably the best racing developer out there. Namco= descent racing developer. That\'s why GT3 looks a hell of a lot better than RRV. Fact.

By posting RR1 and RR4 pics, your most certainly not doing anything good for your argument. The PSX was supposedly easy to develop for, yet developers kept putting better and better looking games out each year. The same logic can be used for NGC whether you like it or not.