I Wish NINTENDO was like they used too be

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
please give me an example of a good company making a bad game on N64 that "chokes" you call it, with tons of fog and blurry, yuo seem to think that every game on N64 looks like that. Give me 5, no I will make it "easy" give me 3, that you have played.
 

lets see....
1. castelvania64 (i cant believe konami made this game on this system)

2. the sequel to castlevania 64 (2 wrongs dont make a right)

3. turok 64

4. goldeneye

5. mariokart 64

oh yeah ...you wanted 3..but it was easy giving you 5...
i played more games,  but these stand out in terms of chocking framerates, foggy backgrounds,  and blurry textures.

Originally posted by IronFist

There is a simple solution to this Goku, ignore what they say.  Every night will be the same if you don\'t be the bigger man and not get involved.

ahh c\'mon now..you\'re telling jumpman to be the bigger man?
how can u tell him to ignore us when he\'s the one that starts ruckuss?
youve been here long enough,  you know jumpman\'s the little one that likes to argue and flame....rastalant is a good poster here and always finds good info on the net for all consoles,  why he gets involved with jumpman beats me...
i,  on the other hand,  just do it cause i get a kick out of it...
jumpman likes to flame,  and he met his match in Lestat.

it\'s on now baby.
:evil: :evil: :evil:

Gamespot scores:

C64 - 8.2
c64:2 - 7.3
turok - 8.1
goldeneye - 9.8
mario party - 7.2

Mario 64 wasn\'t on there, but hmmmmm, you, arguably the worst anti-Nintendo fanboy on this site says all these graphics and games suck, but they are above average in all respects. hmmmm, who to believe. I don\'t think you have even played some of these games, Goldeneye is held by many as the best console FPS ever, and Mario 64, which probably got an 8 or 9 something, as the best platformer of all time.

that was just sad.


Eric Jacob

Originally posted by lestat
3. turok 64
4. goldeneye
5. mariokart 64

these stand out in terms of chocking framerates, foggy backgrounds,  and blurry textures.

I\'ve played three of those five titles and I can firmly say that three of those five titles are AAA games.

If you\'re trying to say that N64 isn\'t perfect, don\'t bother, everyone knows that.

If you\'re trying to say that N64 isn\'t a good gaming machine, don\'t bother, you\'re wrong. ... OK, fine, it is your opinion, but if you have any "common taste" in video games, then you\'re still wrong. ;]

By "common taste" I mean that millions of gamers have purchased Turok, Goldeneye, and Mario Kart, but only a select few have complained.

-Eik

Originally posted by AlteredBeast

Bozco - you have a good point, but is it not a good sysem to own? I don\'t know of any FPS, barring MoH on PSX, that matches Perfect Dark,a nd I bashed it too in the best graphics thread and played it, and guess what, I liked it. The platformers are without equal, Pokemon is addictive as hell, no sane person (after dropping the ego) could deny that,, great FPS, etc. PSX is way better, I am not rying to say it isn\'t, but N64 has MANY great games.

Yeah, I agree with you on all of this, hell the top 3 FPS on the N64 were all better than the best one on the PSX, I remember huddling around a 20 inch tv playing 4 player bond with all my friends, just wishing that I bought an N64 instead of a PSX, in the end I liked the choice of the PSX more but I still loved the N64

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Gamespot scores:

C64 - 8.2
c64:2 - 7.3
turok - 8.1
goldeneye - 9.8
mario party - 7.2

 

oh so,  if gamespot says its good,  then it must be good.
remember,  those companies score them based on the systems potential ( i hope )
goldeneye was considered one of the best n64 games prolly because those people have never played games like half -life or quake or any other FPS on a PC and to them goldeneye is something amazing...

i score games or judge games based on the competition....and when you compare goldeneye to a pc FPS,  it looses in all respects...and when you compare the n64\'s polygon count,  textures,  framerate and audio with the psx,  it looses the battle again.

i loved mario 64,  but i cant deny the fact that it was a blocky game with one or 2 enemies per screen if even..im sure zelda was amazing and  i know the gameplay was cool cause i played it for a while,  but graphically i couldnt stand it....and thats all im saying...whether or not you like nintendo\'s games is up to you,  but the graphics were disgustingly below average.

Originally posted by lestat


oh so,  if gamespot says its good,  then it must be good.
remember,  those companies score them based on the systems potential ( i hope )
goldeneye was considered one of the best n64 games prolly because those people have never played games like half -life or quake or any other FPS on a PC and to them goldeneye is something amazing...

How dare you even question goldeneye, you do mention Half-Life but then again its considered by most to be the best FPS ever so Goldeneye isnt expected to be as good, but quake on the other hand, Goldeneye was way more fun and the A.I. and gameplay was way better, there isnt many FPS on the PC with a better single player mode than Goldeneye

Originally posted by Bozco



How dare you even question goldeneye, you do mention Half-Life but then again its considered by most to be the best FPS ever so Goldeneye isnt expected to be as good, but quake on the other hand, Goldeneye was way more fun and the A.I. and gameplay was way better, there isnt many FPS on the PC with a better single player mode than Goldeneye

i havent played many single players on the PC cause multiplayer ownz..but goldeneye doesnt touch half-life.

besides, once again,  im referring to graphics not story or gameplay cause that all opinion based...
graphics is what im referring to...graphically goldeneye sucks compared to ANY pc FPS...specially if you have a fast pc with a kickass graphix card...

Originally posted by lestat

i loved mario 64

If you loved it, what are you complaining for?  Games are not about blockiness (it did come out in 1996; you know that, right?), they\'re about fun.  

If you\'re so obsessed about graphics, rent a movie.

Edit:

besides, once again,  im referring to graphics not story or gameplay cause that all opinion based...
graphics is what im referring to...graphically goldeneye sucks compared to ANY pc FPS.

Well at least now you\'ve revised your arguement from [judging an entire software library\'s quality based on graphics] to [judging only its graphics].

Of course the comparison you make is shaky at best.  Comparing aging, 6 year old hardware to expensive, state-of-the-art, cutting-edge technology isn\'t exactly a fair shake.

"Lump" was a 1980s FPS I had for a computer that didn\'t even have a harddrive.  The corridors were geometry filled in with one color, as were the enemies.  The weapon was a knife that was basically a red, upside-down cross.  At the time it was pretty, but compared to Halo it looks like crap.

Stupid comparison?  Stupid to compare old technology with new? ... That\'s what I\'m trying to show you.

And by the way, since Lump happens to be part of the "ANY pc FPS" group, it kind of makes your other statement invalid, doesn\'t it?  Saying what you mean (Half-life is prettier than Goldeneye) will save you a lot less back-peddling.

-Eik

Originally posted by lestat


ahh c\'mon now..you\'re telling jumpman to be the bigger man?
how can u tell him to ignore us when he\'s the one that starts ruckuss?
youve been here long enough,  you know jumpman\'s the little one that likes to argue and flame....rastalant is a good poster here and always finds good info on the net for all consoles,  why he gets involved with jumpman beats me...
i,  on the other hand,  just do it cause i get a kick out of it...
jumpman likes to flame,  and he met his match in Lestat.

it\'s on now baby.
:evil: :evil: :evil:

The only reason I said it was to try and stop all this flaming.  I don\'t care who stops first as long as it stops.  It\'s nice to be able to read through a thread without a huge battle between you and Rastalant against Goku.

[Living-In-Clip]

• Hello, Jumpy, nice to have ya\' back.
• For all you complaining about the N64, no it wasn\'t the greatest console ever. However, it still had quite a few great games. I won\'t go naming everyone of them again, as most of them have been named already (\'cept BLAST CORPS .
  
  
• I think this topic could be summed down to people who complain about graphics and ignore good gameplay (Wave to the nice people, Lestat)...Then people who prefer ****ty games with great graphics (HELLO? The Bouncer?). If you ignore great gameplay , because the graphics don\'t suit you, then you are a total idiot. That is your choice though. Just don\'t whine about how a system sucked, when you ignored it.
• Like Eiksirf said, you are comparing a six year old game to current technology . Gee, do we see a problem with this? Of course Goldeneye or even Perfect Dark look like crap compared to per say, Half-Life or Unreal. Get a clue...:rolleyes: And even if you was comparing six year old technology (N64) to six year old PC technology, the PC would of still out-preformed the N64, for the simple fact, six years ago the PC industry was rapid moving and constantly updating. Anyone remember QUAKE?
• If you want to argue about how system A looked worse than system B or so on. Then by all means, lets also argue about the fact that the PSX looked like crap doin\' 2D compared to the Saturn. Do I need to remind you about the great Capcom fighters on the Saturn, that wasn\'t so great when they made it over to the PSX ( Capcom : I\'m sorry , we\'ll have to cut that tag team action out of the VS series, PS owners..) ? Point being, each system had its strenght and weaknesses.. The PS done 2D like crap for the most part (not counting Castlevania: SOTN) and had jaggies galore, where as the N64 didn\'t have jaggies but had blurry textures.
  
  
• As I stated before, Nintendo never changed. If you out-grew their more family orrientated approach, that is fine. However, please spare us the whole crap on how Nintendo sucks and only makes "kiddie games".
• Lestat, the "sequel" Castlevania 64 game you are speaking of, is not a sequel. Infact, it is merely the original version of what Konami of America planned to release for the N64. Development problems however, made it so we got a cut down edition of Castlevania 64. Later on, Konami went back and finished the version and released it.  IT has some new characters and new sitautions, but not a new game. It is merely an expansion pac  of sorts. Also, it is running off the same graphics engine, so there is a reason it doesn\'t look any better. You can\'t blame the N64 for that. Blame Konami.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I won\'t go naming everyone of them again, as most of them have been named already (\'cept BLAST CORPS

Actually... I mentioned Blast Corps. *pats self on back*

... Mischief Makers, Blast Corps, F-Zero X ...

-Eik

Originally posted by lestat


i havent played many single players on the PC cause multiplayer ownz..but goldeneye doesnt touch half-life.

besides, once again,  im referring to graphics not story or gameplay cause that all opinion based...
graphics is what im referring to...graphically goldeneye sucks compared to ANY pc FPS...specially if you have a fast pc with a kickass graphix card...

Well I would hope new pc\'s would pass up goldeneye graphically, but like L-I-C said, wave to the nice people;)

reasons why nintendo is dissapointing for me, call me a fanboy or not its my own opinion

blurry foggy graphics with terible framerates. Take perfect dark, try playing it and see it crawling at 10fps in single player mode, im not even mentioning multiplayer. Games such as turok, goldeneye (yes it has fog jumpman, check the Dam, Jugle, Cradle and surface stages) and other had some horrible fog, Id rather have pop up than thick fog. Blurryness was bad but could be helped by using S-video

Terrible delays, games such as zelda, perfect dark, banjo kazooie were delayed till i had no interest anymore and had moved on with psx

Horrible controller and cartrige problems. Carts just suck, they are a pain to store, clean and get em running on my system (I dont treat them like ****) The controller was great for platformers, but sucked badly for racing and fighting games. The anlogue stick was sharp and got stiff after a year of usage (I had to throw away 3 of em away).

Kiddie games, the argument is weak gc isn\'t that kiddie. However I feel that I have grown out of nintendo games. Whenever i see the new zelda It makes me angry, the game looks awefull. Other games such as smash bros (I know you all like it) kirby, pokemon turn me down because of the cute colorfull graphics and simple (sometimes fun!) gameplay.

Not enough interesting games for me, and many of em (goldeneye, Perfect dark) are overated. I like action, rgp en especially Fighting and racing games (Ridge racer doesn\'t count coz the psx version is better) The only decent fighting game there was, was KI Gold (great underrated game)

there where some great gameson n64 titles such as

Goldeneye, overrated but good
Mariokart, wasn\'t as good as the snes version but still kicked
Zelda the 1st one, best game ever nuff said. The 2nd one looked worse in graphic department and was boring
KI Gold, Love the game
Turok, some annoying fog, but was the best looking shooter at the time (compare it to quake!)

Originally posted by Metal_Gear_Ray
reasons why nintendo is dissapointing for me, call me a fanboy or not its my own opinion

blurry foggy graphics with terible framerates. Take perfect dark, try playing it and see it crawling at 10fps in single player mode, im not even mentioning multiplayer. Games such as turok, goldeneye (yes it has fog jumpman, check the Dam, Jugle, Cradle and surface stages) and other had some horrible fog, Id rather have pop up than thick fog. Blurryness was bad but could be helped by using S-video

Terrible delays, games such as zelda, perfect dark, banjo kazooie were delayed till i had no interest anymore and had moved on with psx

Horrible controller and cartrige problems. Carts just suck, they are a pain to store, clean and get em running on my system (I dont treat them like ****) The controller was great for platformers, but sucked badly for racing and fighting games. The anlogue stick was sharp and got stiff after a year of usage (I had to throw away 3 of em away).

Kiddie games, the argument is weak gc isn\'t that kiddie. However I feel that I have grown out of nintendo games. Whenever i see the new zelda It makes me angry, the game looks awefull. Other games such as smash bros (I know you all like it) kirby, pokemon turn me down because of the cute colorfull graphics and simple (sometimes fun!) gameplay.

Not enough interesting games for me, and many of em (goldeneye, Perfect dark) are overated. I like action, rgp en especially Fighting and racing games (Ridge racer doesn\'t count coz the psx version is better) The only decent fighting game there was, was KI Gold (great underrated game)

there where some great gameson n64 titles such as

Goldeneye, overrated but good
Mariokart, wasn\'t as good as the snes version but still kicked
Zelda the 1st one, best game ever nuff said. The 2nd one looked worse in graphic department and was boring
KI Gold, Love the game
Turok, some annoying fog, but was the best looking shooter at the time (compare it to quake!)

.......and that sums up what I\'ve been thinking too. I mean, just because some of us are dissappointed in the N64 and Gamecube doesn\'t make us fanboys, does it? L-I-C, you seem to have a problem with Lesat (he is stating his opinion, which I happen to agree with....so what?) and, Jumpman (if it is you)....it\'s, er, "nice" to have you back.