The PS2 will not stand a chance....

Tshirts,

Its almost as if your doing exactly what you did on the Dailyradar boards, try to turn people against PS2.  Your arguements have been shot down, by Ryu, and, you call yourself a debator? Ryu pretty much shot down every little thing you said. You call youself unbias, yet you tend to lean toward being bias to the Xbox? None of us here care what you say about the PS2, because PS2 is here to stay, and Microsoft won\'t be getting ahold of Sony\'s market share for quite some time. Sure I\'m happy about Xbox, and will be picking one up next thursday,  Its just i don\'t see  MS taking over the #1 spot in the console war. the ps2 DOES STAND A CHANCE, and there is no way in hell that the PS2 will be wiped off the face of the earth when Xbox and GC are out.

Originally posted by fastson
For gods sake QuDDus!!



I expected more from you. :yawn:

Why, Quddus has always posted utter crap like that

Originally posted by Bozco


Why, Quddus has always posted utter crap like that

*searching memory*

Why yes he has.. :evil:

Just try to say anything else, just try ok?

I will point out the main reasons why I am not replying to most of you.....

Not interested because...............................



Bossieman vs Tshirt

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QuDDus:

And I am with you on the graphic thing. That is all a lot ppl throw up on this forum is MGS2,TMB,GT3,dmc PS2 has great graphics....hahaha 4 games and the system has great graphics.

The Bouncer, ICO, MGS2, SH2, TMB, GT3, DMC, VF4, GT3, ZOE, SSX, TTT, DOA2: HC, Jak and Daxter, FFX, BG: DA.

Ok QuDDus, now it\'s your turn.  Name all the Xbox games with great graphics.  I\'m sure you won\'t name more than a handful of games.  Why?  Because there are not more than a handful of games!  The Xbox fanboys haven\'t realized that they are in no position to bash the PS2 graphics, because most of them still haven\'t seen what most Xbox games look like, and there really aren\'t that many Xbox games that are graphically impressive.  It\'s just the best few games that the fanboys use to compare to the PS2.

Ms and nintendo are in the perfect position to over throw.

I agree.  The PS2 only has a 16 million userbase, hundreds of games, and a choke hold on European and Japanese gamers (and actually, American gamers too as of right now).

• In Japan, the Gamecube is doing poorly.  Why will the Xbox be any different?
• In Europe, the PS2 is the only console that will be out this year.  I don\'t see how that is a good thing for the NGC and Xbox.
• In America, the Xbox is most likely to have a shortage of consoles (according to the numerous reports).  The NGC will have a lot though, so it will probably be very successful in America.  But the PS2 will have millions ready for the Christmas season and tons of great games.  People will want the PS2, and will be able to get it easily.  And not everyone will get an Xbox or NGC even if they really want it, so they will get a PS2 instead.

So I guess I don\'t agree.  My mistake.  IMO, the PS2 is in a perfect position.  Great first and 3rd party support.  A huge userbase.  Easier and easier to program every day for the developers because of the developement tools.  A name that almost everyone trusts and loves (unlike Xbox).  And tons of awesome games.

But I think Ms and nintendo will have to start cranking out the games. 2002 ps2 has no big huge franchise coming out. With the rumored ffx after christmas. 2002 would be a great time for nintenod and ms to crank out the titles. And nintendo has been critisized a lot for it\'s lack on games. Nintendo will have to put the peddle to the meddle.

The PS2 doesn\'t have too many that have been announced, but just wait until E3.  We do have some key games that will keep the PS2 alive though (like VF4.  Will people bother buying an Xbox and DOA3 if they can get VF4 instead?  I really don\'t think so.)

Tshirts:

I don\'t believe in senseless contentions that focus on insignificant subjective matters....

Then why did you post this thread?

You can go on with your opinions on why the PS2 is the greatest console ever with persuasive examples supporting your argument.

You obviously don\'t visit here very often.  Most of us don\'t think the PS2 is the greatest console ever, but we do think that it is a great console.

I can care less. To me, I am way past that. I don\'t waste my time arguing over subjective matters that cannot be dislodge. It is your opinion, and getting into any mudslinging of that sort is ludicrous, blind fanboyism that is irrefutable. It is a waste of time.

Again, why did you post here?  If you care less about our opinions, why did you even bother posting this thread?

If you really want a response from me, I suggest delving deeper into the heart of the industry and using an almost intuitive form of intelligence to philophosize the outcome of it. It will be radically different from everyone\'s viewpoint because it is your own.

I learn from example Tshirts.  Can you understand why I haven\'t "delved deeper into the heart of the industry blah blah blah."  It\'s because you haven\'t.  You are a hypocrite.

Fanboys flaming each other back and forth tends to get boring y\'know....

Tee hee hee.  This is coming from Tshirts.  He he.  Ok, I\'ll just leave this one alone.

Originally posted by Tshirts
Although I have been vemently labeled biased and such....

It doesn\'t matter....

The fallacies in many fanboys is their inability to see from a more broader general viewpoint...

To me, I don\'t give a sh*t who wins the console war....

Sony fanboys have a more favorable proposition.  Ask yourself, who is actually more biased?  The neutral guy or the Sony *fanboy*?

In every single generation of consoles, there is a transcending console that strays from the medium and transgresses to the top.

The top categories that are the focal determining points of a successful console are:

1.  Graphics

Sony failed to capitalized on this sector.  Simply put, the system looks like sh*t.  90% of the launch games on the GC and Xbox already looks better than 60% of the games on the PS2.  Many fanboys would point out such gems as Metal Gear Solid 2, GT3, and Devil May Cry as a focal graphical standpoint for the PS2.  That is the fanboy viewpoint and it is biased as such.  The average mean should be the determining factor and not the select few *top* titles.  If we used Shenmue and Soul Caliber as the focal graphical standard for the Dreamcast, it would still be the *best* looking console today.  My point being is, if the graphics already look this *good* today, imagine the disparity down the line when the developers have fully harnessed both the GC and Xbox.  If 2nd generation PS2 games only equal first generation GC and Xbox games, doesn\'t that mean the system is *technically* one generation behind?

2.  Support

The PS2 has an abundance of support but in direct constrast with the Xbox, it doesn\'t stray too far from any real advantages.  Every single franchisee has already found their way or is going to another console.  Microsoft and Nintendo both have in house personal developements that can serve as exclusives....although the PS2 has a couple, such as GT3 and TM, it is a relatively small number and is incapable of carrying the system on its own.


That is not a big issue though....

The main problem here is the level of commitment and loyality faithful companies are displaying toward Sony.  They are no longer exclusive, and many of the once great, exclusive PSX franchises are finding their way onto multiple consoles.

One factor:

The difficult architect of the hardware.  What it boils down to is the preference of the programmers.  Preference goes a long way.  For years, developers like Treasure stayed with the Sega Genesis because of the easy-to-program architecture.  One of the main downfalls of the Saturn was its hard-to-program architecture and one of the greatest advantage of the PSX was its easy-to-program architecture.

Why is Namco praising the GC?

The easy-to-program architecture.

Many fanboys will argue with you and say "it doesn\'t matter how hard it is, if they are getting paid for it they will do it".....

That is a huge misconception.  Microsoft and Nintendo both have the funds to render and match whatever Sony offers to these programmers.  Money is not an issue for this generation unlike the past with Sega.

Last factor:  History is a cycle.

When you look back at every generation of console, the leading company *never* continues their dominance....

Many will cite "but the PS2 will be different"...

I beg to differ.  How is the generation of the Nes compared to the 16-bit be any different from the 32-bit to the 128-bit?  It is a cycle.  The industrial leader always gets beaten by a newcomer.  Nintendo did it to Atari with the Nes, Sega did it to Nintendo with the Genesis, Sony did it to Sega/Nintendo(only because Sega dropped out of the race early to launch the Saturn), and Microsoft *will* do it to Sony.

How do I know?  The industrial leader always sticks to a simple, tried and true, no-risk formula.  They think they can repeat the same success with the same "rules" in a transcending industry.  That is why they fail.  They fail to realize the rapidity of growth in a technological industry like ours.  Why isn\'t Nintendo a leader today?  They stick to Mario and Zelda and the "child market".  Why will Sony fail?  They are not transcending the industry forward.  We are not playing the PSX anymore and they don\'t realize that.

Fanboys will also cite "how can anyone top 20 million consoles"...

Simple.  Through time.  No console ever wins in their first year.  How long did it take the Genesis to lead.....2-3 years.  PSX?  2-3 years....the cycle will repeat.  Microsoft will get a strong hold on the market, and through time, they will carve straight into the PS2\'s dominance.  Nothing happens over night.

I have no doubt in my mind Microsoft will accomplish such a feat from the reasons I gave above.  They are a serious competitor and the PS2 will not stand a chance.....not this generation anyway.

Damn, you are one ELEGANT sonofa*****.  Did you borrow my brain while writing this?  I can\'t believe you put this better than I ever could.  Damn, this was a great post!  This man speaks the truth and he isn\'t afraid to do it on a PS2 site.  Anyone who bashes this guy is a bonafide fanho.  Sony thinks it\'s still battling the Saturn and the N64...they\'re wrong.  It takes more than rehashes.  Old franchises never made a console popular.  Mario and Zelda never made the N64 more popular than the Super NES just as Final Fantasy and MGS won\'t make the PS2 as popular as the PSX.  Each generation, people want something new.  Tried and true doesn\'t work in an industry that rapidly evolves.  I used to think this was the most objective forum on the web, but after reading replies in other threads from MM and others, I was dead wrong.  This board is full of Sony fanboys who don\'t know the meaning of the word "objective".

This is so funny....
So what is exactly so new and exciting and innovative about the X-Box?
What is MS doing which is so vastly different than to what Sony are doing?
I\'d sure as hell like to know coz I\'ve seen nothing of that yet.

And who the **** are you to talk about others not being objective you stupid twat? hehehhe, man you\'re so dumb it\'s not even funny.
You\'re one of the most biased persons on this board. The double standard of some people are quite amazing and only reveals lack of intellect.

And another thing, Project Gotham is basically a sequel, DOA3 is a rehash of DOA2 with great graphics and Munch is another game in that franchise... So you\'re whole point is totally lost coz guess what? It applies to your precious X-Box as well...

And btw, I\'m planning on getting an X-Box but I\'m not a graphics whore like all other X-Box fanboys like yourself.

Originally posted by DirectXbox


Damn, you are one ELEGANT sonofa*****.  Did you borrow my brain while writing this?  I can\'t believe you put this better than I ever could.  Damn, this was a great post!  This man speaks the truth and he isn\'t afraid to do it on a PS2 site.  Anyone who bashes this guy is a bonafide fanho.  Sony thinks it\'s still battling the Saturn and the N64...they\'re wrong.  It takes more than rehashes.  Old franchises never made a console popular.  Mario and Zelda never made the N64 more popular than the Super NES just as Final Fantasy and MGS won\'t make the PS2 as popular as the PSX.  Each generation, people want something new.  Tried and true doesn\'t work in an industry that rapidly evolves.  I used to think this was the most objective forum on the web, but after reading replies in other threads from MM and others, I was dead wrong.  This board is full of Sony fanboys who don\'t know the meaning of the word "objective".

I\'m bored so, heres what i have to say to you.

Okay, first thing you say Tshirts is an intelligent human being? I\'d have to disagree with you right there, he is the biggest example of what we here at PSX2C like to call as Trolls, something that you happen to be also.  Secondly, anyone who bashes Tshirts is  a fanho, please fill us in on what a fanho is, because the last time I checked NONE of us here are bias sony fanboys. Let me dig up a dictionary meaning of "objective".

Here it is.


ob·jec·tive (b-jktv)
adj.
Of or having to do with a material object.
Having actual existence or reality.

Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic. See Synonyms at fair1.
Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.
Medicine. Indicating a symptom or condition perceived as a sign of disease by someone other than the person affected.
Grammar.
Of, relating to, or being the case of a noun or pronoun that serves as the object of a verb.
Of or relating to a noun or pronoun used in this case.

So, your calling us critics of the Xbox eh? Sorry to say, last time i checked most of us here weren\'t critics of the Xbox ethier, your just putting words in peoples mouths, and personally your posts remind me of a five year old kid.  I\'m sorry, but Tshirts isn\'t one of those intelligent Xbox fanboys that claim to exsist, oh, and we aren\'t graphic whores like you are DXB. Anyone who says that the PS2 doesn\'t stand a chance needs to be kicked in the ass, and dragged across a  big plate of glass, because where it stands now, Sony is not taking **** from anyone, not even MS will get ahold of Sony\'s market share right off the bat, hell, I\'m not bias here, and I\'m looking forward to Xbox, but the console that has the most potential right now is,*gasp* you guess it, PS2


Btw, DirectX, Here is something for you

Xbox fanboys, click here

JP, they actually had the balls to put a HDD and broadband into a game console!!!  How is that not innovative.  The possibilities are virtually limitless.  To deny this is to bask in the ignorance of fanboyism.  Thanks to the HDD, in Project Gotham I get to hear the DJ play songs that I ripped to the HDD--even giving talking over the intro of a song just like in real life.  How is that not innovative?  On graphics, if Xbox launch games look better than current PS2 games (which they do), what do you think Xbox second generation games will look like?  Have you seen Brute Force?  Can PS2 even begin to render that game?  To the inevitable, "it isn\'t the graphics that matter, it\'s the games..." I say stop the fanboy hypocrisy!!! To those of you who bought a PS2 last year, you sure as hell didn\'t buy it for the games!  What, Madden and SSX?  Go to hell!  You just bought those games for the graphics because Madden was already out on the N64 and PSX and who in the hell would buy a system for one damn game!  So shove it with the fanboy hypocrisy!  You PS2 fanboys sicken me!

Originally posted by DaRkGaMeR



I\'m bored so, heres what i have to say to you.

Okay, first thing you say Tshirts is an intelligent human being? I\'d have to disagree with you right there, he is the biggest example of what we here at PSX2C like to call as Trolls, something that you happen to be also.  Secondly, anyone who bashes Tshirts is  a fanho, please fill us in on what a fanho is, because the last time I checked NONE of us here are bias sony fanboys. Let me dig up a dictionary meaning of "objective".

Here it is.


ob·jec·tive (b-jktv)
adj.
Of or having to do with a material object.
Having actual existence or reality.

Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic. See Synonyms at fair1.
Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.
Medicine. Indicating a symptom or condition perceived as a sign of disease by someone other than the person affected.
Grammar.
Of, relating to, or being the case of a noun or pronoun that serves as the object of a verb.
Of or relating to a noun or pronoun used in this case.

So, your calling us critics of the Xbox eh? Sorry to say, last time i checked most of us here weren\'t critics of the Xbox ethier, your just putting words in peoples mouths, and personally your posts remind me of a five year old kid.  I\'m sorry, but Tshirts isn\'t one of those intelligent Xbox fanboys that claim to exsist, oh, and we aren\'t graphic whores like you are DXB. Anyone who says that the PS2 doesn\'t stand a chance needs to be kicked in the ass, and dragged across a  big plate of glass, because where it stands now, Sony is not taking **** from anyone, not even MS will get ahold of Sony\'s market share right off the bat, hell, I\'m not bias here, and I\'m looking forward to Xbox, but the console that has the most potential right now is,*gasp* you guess it, PS2

Just how in the **** did you interpret my post?  I was criticizing these fanboy bastards for flaming on a truthful and well-written post.  These sons of *****es didn\'t have one valid argument against his post, they just started attacking him.  Ad hominem arguments are the number one sign of fanboyism.

Originally posted by DirectXbox


Just how in the **** did you interpret my post?  I was criticizing these fanboy bastards for flaming on a truthful and well-written post.  These sons of *****es didn\'t have one valid argument against his post, they just started attacking him.  Ad hominem arguments are the number one sign of fanboyism.

We attacked him, because he doesn\'t know jack **** about PS2, thats what! This man is not intelligent, and Ryu pretty much ripped him up good. Tshirts thinks he knows something we already don\'t know. Now, as i see it your a PS2 owner right? Why ***** and moan about it here. Your right about them being fanboys:rolleyes: Ryu had a valid arguement, and Tshirts failed to deliver a decent debate against what Ryu had already said, proves Tshirts is a pussy. Still though, don\'t get me wrong, I\'m one of those people getting Xbox next week.


Btw, his post is neither truthful, nor well written, If i were him, I\'d pack my bags, and not bother posting here anymore.

even giving talking over the intro of a song just like in real life.

Oh wow, tons of innovation. Oh wait, Ferrari on DC did this, as well as GTA3.

No need to point out the rehashes on xbox since others have done this. Don\'t like the PS2 or the people on this forum? Leave. Yes, it\'s that simple.

/ dm /

[Bladez]

DirectXbox--yay another Xbox fanboy.:rolleyes:   Is your life really that boring?  I mean if that\'s all you can do is make fun of the PS2?  If they ever made a book about you would it be called "PS2 and GameCube Suck!  Xbox Will Be The Best Console Ever Made!"?  Ooh I better be careful because you might reply buy saying I suck or something else.  Excuse me why I let you flame me and the PS2 again.:snore:

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People seem to think ps2 won\'t do well.

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Errr. Hello, It\'s already got a HUGE fanbase and HUGE sales.
This console isn\'t goin anywhere,  This console will be out there for a long time to come.. Just as PSX is.

If we used Shenmue and Soul Caliber as the focal graphical standard for the Dreamcast, it would still be the *best* looking console today.

Guess u haven\'t played TTT or even seen MGS2.   SC is good looking.. But the character models have far less polys then the models in TTT. Therefore TTT models have REAL chests, not textures.  
I have a Dreamcast.. But i KNOW there are ps2 games that make DC\'s BEST looking games look like utter crap.
But none the less.

I still love the DC, It\'s got good games with good graphics. But i don\'t live in a world thinking the SC looks better then TTT or Shenmue looks better then MGS2..
I mean DARN. SHENMUE HAS SLOWDOWN.

I really can\'t be bothered getting into this. as it\'s quite lame and boring. I used to debate this crap all  the time. Now I’ve learnt its desperate people coming into a PS2 forum to debate which system is better, When they don\'t even like ps2... Quite lame.... REALLY lame.

As for Directxbox. I won\'t debate against someone who proves he\'s bias by having a Nick named after a console. I mean.. COME ON.

ah hell, now u guys went and pissed off soulgrind

and i thought clyde was dangerous!